Muscle (& height)...how much does it matter?

[RZA26]

I keep on hearing that

a)height is very important (not surprised)

but also that

b)supposedly study after study has shown that muscle is of no significant importance when women choose a "partner".

Can anyone point me to any study like that? googled but couldnt find anything.

Obviously women like a (moderately) muscular physique better than an average body, but it has made me wonder whether for a guy who isn't into ONS's, anyway, muscles really help.

Could it be that muscles (on someone with a normal, non-scrawny built) are as much of a difference-maker as a good-looking chick who has big boobs instead of just normal boobs? Sure, Id like the big boobs better but it'd probably never be the difference-maker for me when it comes to getting a g/f (as long as she has normal tits <--> as long as the guy isnt skinny)

Anyone know of such studies?

 

[Just a Shot Away]

Uh oh. I got a bad feeling about this thread.

To answer your question: neither matters. So don't worry about it. Women are genetically designed to care about confidence, dominance, masculinity, and other traits that signal that the male will be able to provide for her and her young, and protect the nest. Above average height and muscle mass can help you portray this, but the jig is up once she talks to you and finds out that you don't really have these traits.

 

[CaptainJ]

Never heard of such studies. But muscle matters alot. Get squatting.

 

[Captain]

They both help (and can help hugely) but neither is absolutely required.

 

[Doc Dogg]

The question is, do you really want a girl who is only interested in tall guys or guys with muscles? I sure dont

 

[Lexington]

I keep on hearing that

a)height is very important (not surprised)

but also that

b)supposedly study after study has shown that muscle is of no significant importance when women choose a "partner".

Can anyone point me to any study like that? googled but couldnt find anything.

Obviously women like a (moderately) muscular physique better than an average body, but it has made me wonder whether for a guy who isn't into ONS's, anyway, muscles really help.

Could it be that muscles (on someone with a normal, non-scrawny built) are as much of a difference-maker as a good-looking chick who has big boobs instead of just normal boobs? Sure, Id like the big boobs better but it'd probably never be the difference-maker for me when it comes to getting a g/f (as long as she has normal tits <--> as long as the guy isnt skinny)

Anyone know of such studies?

Are all the guys you see with beautiful women tall and muscular? I don't know how it is where you live, but that's certainly not the case here. Certainly, some girls like that tall, muscular look, but if you're not tall/muscular it doesn't mean you can't land a beautiful woman.

I also see skinny guys with pretty faces (e.g. Justin Timberlake, Tom Cruise types) getting plenty of tail as well. Women are also attracted to money and power (e.g. Donald Trump) as well as brains (e.g. Salman Rushdie).

I also know some guys that don't have terrific looks (they're average to above average) or a lot of money/power who score like rockstars because of their confidence, aggressiveness and their personalities.

 

[Warrior74]

How about this... KILL YOUR INSECURITY.

Some women like tall men, some don't, some like muscular guys some don't.

What are you gonna do? Get taller? No.

What are you gonna do, work out to please a woman? No. (you work out because you want to, for your own benefit, otherwise you won't stick with it if your doing it for some imaginary dream woman. I enjoy the way I feel after a good workout and I like the way I look when I lose weight, but am I douing it strickly to get laid, no.)

So in conclusion, KILL YOUR INSECURITY. I'm sure if you search the net you can find studies that will confirm and refute what ever point of view you wish to have.

Fix your inner game, work out for yourself and put this crap out of your mind.

 

[lakeshore]

They both help (and can help hugely) but neither is absolutely required.

and such is the case with most things in life. The answer always lies somewhere in the middle.

A nice body (muscles, little fat) will help but is not the end all be all.
There really is no one thing that will get the girls just a collection
of tangible and intangible traits that collectively work toward attraction
and ultimately the girl being in love with you.

 

[lakeshore]

How about this... KILL YOUR INSECURITY.

Some women like tall men, some don't, some like muscular guys some don't.

What are you gonna do? Get taller? No.

What are you gonna do, work out to please a woman? No. (you work out because you want to, for your own benefit, otherwise you won't stick with it if your doing it for some imaginary dream woman. I enjoy the way I feel after a good workout and I like the way I look when I lose weight, but am I douing it strickly to get laid, no.)

So in conclusion, KILL YOUR INSECURITY. I'm sure if you search the net you can find studies that will confirm and refute what ever point of view you wish to have.

Fix your inner game, work out for yourself and put this crap out of your mind.

Killing insecurity is not some magical thing that happens by sitting around and talking yourself into it. You must take action in life, socially, health, career, spiritual, hobbies etc.. thats how you are made up. You don't find yourself you create yourself.

So yeah, working out WILL help (not guarantee) you get over feeling insecure. Its not just the vanity part of it. Like you mentioned, you may start working out to look good for the girls but along the way something happens and in addition to enjoying the 'looks' part you also think about how much better you feel about yourself. Its the sense of accomplishment and discipline from eating right, advancing in how much your lifting, or running or whatever..

Accomplishing goals is how you gain confidence in yourself.

 

[kingsam]

i did some online searhing a while back (its on the internet somewhere), the guys who had "above average muscles but not too big" had had the most sexual partners out of all the men...partly because they were may bee confident and jock types, who had the altha behaviours ...etc...NOT just because they were hot looking
if you scored all men out of 10 for musculatiry - where 10 = meathhead , 1= anorexic, 5= absolute normal for men, the best size wouldd be 7.5-ish...
aim for Men's heath cover look - which has low BF but good sized muscles, but are not meatheady

You dont need muscles at all, MOST guys dont have any of note, but they do add to your overall physical apperance - if if there were two Identical men but one was average muclarity and the 2nd one was 7.5 musularity the latter one would get chosen more often!

THE FACE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART - but this is very subjective to personal taste (the majority of guys are average in the face so are quite equal), also style, and confidence, and the womans personal tastes will play a part

TO SUM- IT is worth being BUFF if you can...

 

[kingsam]

a whole tv program about "mlae beauty" watch the first 10 minutes of this as a group of women look at various men and say what they like

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/extreme-male-beauty

the face is most important,
muscles not nessecary but are good

you need a personality to back up your looks, they get your foot in the door, your personality+game closes the girl !

 

[Maxtro]

I'd say that height is more important than muscles. You need to be at least 5'8. If not, you better have something else that's pretty amazing going for you. If you don't, then good luck.

 

[Mr. Bond]

b)supposedly study after study has shown that muscle is of no significant importance when women choose a "partner".

Key words here are WOMEN CHOOSE. They're talking about the guy a woman marries. And you know what? Hot women marry p*ssies all the time. They aren't marrying because he's sexually attractive. They're marrying because he's "stable" or he has a lot of money or whatever.

If you look at how much sex a man gets and how many partners he has, you'll see that muscular men get a LOT more than your average man. They're doing the choosing.

Moral of the story? Start lifting weights, you lazy f*cks.

 

[ali-g]

Well, fitness denotes sexual stamina. Can you blame them?

 

[lakeshore]

Moral of the story? Start lifting weights, you lazy f*cks.

:crackup:

 

[Just a Shot Away]

I'd say that height is more important than muscles. You need to be at least 5'8. If not, you better have something else that's pretty amazing going for you. If you don't, then good luck.

Unreal. I can't believe this kind of ridiculous self-limiting mentality is still alive and well on SoSuave. People are actually going around saying that the shortest you can be and still get girls is one inch below the national average. Absolutely outrageous.

Don't read the DJ Bible if you're 5'7" or shorter? Wow, dude. Just...wow. Are you doing that poorly with women where you feel the need to scare guys off the site that don't know any better? Where the hell did you even get this statistic from? If the answer is "my ass", don't even bother replying.

 

[Warrior74]

Can't believe the rest of the wank crap advice that came along in this thread. I see why most of you fail.

 

[Maxtro]

Unreal. I can't believe this kind of ridiculous self-limiting mentality is still alive and well on SoSuave. People are actually going around saying that the shortest you can be and still get girls is one inch below the national average. Absolutely outrageous.

Don't read the DJ Bible if you're 5'7" or shorter? Wow, dude. Just...wow. Are you doing that poorly with women where you feel the need to scare guys off the site that don't know any better? Where the hell did you even get this statistic from? If the answer is "my ass", don't even bother replying.

It seems you didn't even try to comprehend my post.

Being shorter than average or in my case 5'6 is a huge handicap. There is no way to deny it.

In order to make up for being short, the guy needs something amazing that is going for him. It could be fame, money, ridiculous good looks, killer game, iron clad self-confidence or some kind of really good talent. I'm sure there are others that I missed

If a short guy doesn't have any of those, getting women will be extremely difficult. It's nothing but the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts.

 

[BigJimbo]

American women don't need you for anything other than a quick f---. So the fatties of course are going to go for the tallest and gayest..er..muscular boys. Just a fact. American females work AND make decent money. Men are only needed in America to father a child, change diapers, make supper, and pickup/clean the house.

 

[actionjaxson]

either way every man should work out. having a nice body can only help.