muscle determined by genetics?

[[S]alvatore]

Originally posted by lordson
i read in Men's Health that the amount of muscle u have is determiaend by gentiecs already, but the quality can be changed by u

so its saying your weight and mass is already pre-determiend by genetics and theres not a whole lot u can do if youre skinny

is this true?

it seems kinda feasable

u can't do better than your best too, so ive heard

Absolute load of sh1t. The shape of your muscles are determined by genetics (Eg some people will have a peak on their bicep, and others will not.) not the size of your muscles. Never go to Men's Health for facts.

 

[WORKEROUTER]

First off, I need to ask why Men's Health is considered so damn bad?

I bought the 2005 fitness guide last year, and the information isn't too bad. The workout sections seemed pretty good.

Some good points I noticed were how they continually valued the big lifts, like squats, deadlifts, presses, etc. for maximum strength and testosterone increase, and how they also encouraged a strong nutrition plan composed of several balanced meals per day.

In regards to the original poster's comment, what the magazine said about your body's natural limit is that it has a certain, fixed ratio of fast twitch/slow twitch muscle fibers, NOT a fixed amount of muscle mass.

It then goes on to explain the difference between these two, how they work, and why you want to stimulate the fast-twitch fibers through heavy lifting.

Nothing terribly wrong from what I saw with the information in the magazine, at least the annual fitness guide. In fact, it gave me some valuable insight into proper form of certain exercises, gave me some ideas for new exercises, and even gave me some meal ideas.

 

[[S]alvatore]

Originally posted by WORKEROUTER
Some good points I noticed were how they continually valued the big lifts, like squats, deadlifts, presses, etc. for maximum strength and testosterone increase

My god what a load of sh1t. Testosterone is determined by hormones, not what excercises you perform.

 

[semag]

Originally posted by alvatore
My god what a load of sh1t. Testosterone is determined by hormones, not what excercises you perform.

au contraire, i call you on that one

Since muscle growth is a primary objective, taking command of testosterone and GH is mandatory. In the gym, this translates to using large muscle group exercises, heavy resistance, short rest intervals, and moderate to high volume. It is very rare to see this combination of factors employed consistently by most weight trainers. Why? Because it's often excruciating and requires a mind bent on pillage! Leg extensions and concentration curls have their place, but nothing will stimulate shocking whole-body reconstruction like squats and deadlifts. Remember, with large motor unit stimulation and exhaustion comes an unparalleled release in anabolic hormones.

The next factor to consider is the amount of weight lifted, including the number of repetitions performed. For optimal testosterone release, a resistance that is 85-95% of a one-rep maximum should be utilized (1). For instance, 90% of a 200 lbs. maximum bench press is 180 lbs., and this weight would allow approximately five repetitions, an ideal range. To further augment testosterone release, a one to three minute rest interval between sets is necessary (1). The release of growth hormone closely parallels that of testosterone; however, higher repetitions are optimal, along with short rest periods. The most prolific regimen for GH release appears to be a ten rep maximum approach with one minute rest intervals, which can increase production 20-40 times above baseline levels (1, 13). One research study displayed an even greater increase from a set of 25-rep squats (9). These fluctuations in optimal hormone release conveniently point to the necessity of training variability.

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/sciex.htm

and:

Performance Notes:
I have to combine legs with chest and shoulders, so I do heavy squats and heavy power clean and presses. Again, I'm stimulating overall size and power with these two exercises. As well, these really stimulate testosterone release.


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On warm-up sets, add weight with each set pyramid style, make your first working set your heaviest, then pyramid down in weight. Rest 1 to 1 1/2 minutes between sets. Take each set to positive failure, you can extend your sets past failure with techniques like rest pause - which works great on basic movements, and forced reps. Adding techniques like this enhances hormone release, especially growth hormone.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/brewster17.htm

that is all for now.

 

[lordson]

i started lifting when i was about 16-17

didn't know wtf i was doing seroiulsyu, i started bicep curls at 4 kgs, i really had absolutely no idea

took me like a year to really get to know what to do properly, then all my mated joined up and they got the benefit of an experinced person like me telling them what they should do, so they put on a bit of weight alot quicker than i did

i was 54kgs then, (sorry in Australia, i think thats about 120lb) at 178cm

now im 63 (140lb?)kgs at 180cm, i did put in a lot of hard work at the gym, but i honestly have to say ive been very inconsistent

taking 6 weeks off like twice a year (coninciding with holidays, cos i use the gym at uni)

epsically this year, getting a gf really puts contraints on your time, and i always miss exersices, and squats are jsut a bloody *****.

i know i complian alot but i still do it regarless, its hard going to gym in holidays, i do wat i can at home with my dumbells, smaller muslce groups are fine, but i can only do flys, and cna't do any legs at all

my legs have shrunk about 15%. ah well

keep training, keep eating, and ill get there.

 

[Oxide]

Lift Hard
Eat Hard
Sleep Hard

Ok, i can lift and eat, but no matter how much i try to sleep while hard, I just can't do it!







Honestly, the whole science of getting big is not complicated at all. Any guy who's made progress will tell ya the same - make sure you EAT the right amount ( or more than that) and go from there.

While we may disagree on some trivial stuff, the overall message is the same - if you do these things (eating, lifting, sleeping) you will get bigger.


Get this. I lifted for 2 years and gained 10 lbs... most of which was fat. I had no diet, no workout plan... just thought i would get big from doing bicep curls.

Then i actually learned how to do things right and now everything is going ok.


P.S. Actually right now im on a two week break. I am eating girl scout cookies (thin mints) and drinking milk at 3am. You should probably not listen to me because i know i gained at least 2% of BF over this period.

THe good part is, now i know how to easily get rid of it within 5 weeks, because i've done it before.


I will add one thing though - most diets you read in magazines are atrocious. My mother is about to go on a 13 day diet where she can eat half a pound of burger for dinner.. What the hell?

 

[mrRuckus]

Originally posted by brucevangeorge
**** you and **** your genetics. If youre going to whine about some stupid thing that you read in Men's Health then do me a favor and never show up in the gym again.

Otherwise shut it and go hit some weights. You're never going to get anywhere reading 'Mens Health'. Get your pansy ass into the gym now boy.

Please, go your to your local library. Then ask the cute librarian where the reference book section is and try to get her number. Fail at this and then pick your ego up off the floor and head to where she directed you. Find a dictionary in this section and look up the word "whine." Memorize this definition. Hint: "w" is after "v."

 

[WORKEROUTER]

Originally posted by alvatore
My god what a load of sh1t. Testosterone is determined by hormones, not what excercises you perform.

Since testosterone is a hormone, doesn't it make any sense to you that it can fluctuate?