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You make a good point because I personally stood back and asked myself whether or not it was "appropriate" or not, and to be honest I could see her taking it the wrong way. Maybe as you said I misread how far i could push the envelope with this one. I should have known better since she had given me such a mixed impression in the past.

One thing I didn't mention was the other two comments she made before hand.

The first one was when we were talking about this other chick I didn't know from last weekend who made an offhand comment to me. I said "I don't like her because she didn't even know me and walked right up to my face and made a man hating comment". My friend agreed with me that that chick was obnoxious, but her friend said "I do that stuff all the time". I was like "Yea, but not to a stranger", which she agreed was inappropriate. It just annoys me when women feel the need to spout this stuff around men. On a message board or when you AREN'T in mixed company, but don't talk down about men in front of them. It's a turn off. I don't bash women in front of women.

The second comment was when I brought up something about a picture joke my friend and I have between us. I told my friend "Good thing you were drunk cause I grabbed your boob....you probably don't remember!" (it's an inside joke, but I did grab her boob). She laughed and said she did remember me doing that, then her friend chimes in, "Well it's a good thing you didn't do that to ME". Maybe that should have been my clue that she can't take what I throw out.

She obviously didn't mean anything by what she said, but it gave me a closer glimpse at her personality, and I didn't particularly care for it.

joekerr31 said:
and maybe im being too harsh on str8up. but at the same time, str8up is quick to give us example after example of women who 'suck' -
I never said women suck!

Man, all I do is point out examples of how women tend to lack integrity, basically calling a spade a spade. I say women tend to be this way or that way but I never say they suck! I don't hate women, I just have a bad taste in my mouth about how today's society works.

it suggests to me that str8up may be a bigger part of his 'i can't find a quality woman' than at first we might suspect.
Does my state of mind have a bearing on my ability to attract women? Possibly. It all factors in.

But I hold firm to my belief that dateable women are becoming increasingly rare. More and more I read things or hear a woman say something to the effect of "Don't you know? Women rule the world now". I had one chick say it to my face last weekend (see above), I read it on a craigslist post last week, and I even read it somewhere else online awhile back. It's sickening to hear a woman say that. Too many of them have this same attitude, even if they don't vocalize it. It's evident in their actions.

and the fact that he wanted to just toss 20 bucks on the table and leave is totally immature.
That would have been a kneejerk reaction and it was only a thought that I didn't act on.

i dont know what the hell is going on with him lately, cuz he seems out of sorts. this particular example is just another indication that he needs some down time to get his mojo back.
See, the funny thing about all of this is that I still have women calling me up every week to do stuff,and I go out with them and have a good time once a week or so. A few different groups of women actually. If I really came off as having such a "bad attitude" do you think for one second these women would be calling ME and asking ME to go have drinks or dinner or brunch or whatever? Hell no! Women HAVE to be stimulated. They need to be entertained. Most of them are a huge ball of insecurity and self doubt. They gravitate toward men (or people in general) who make them feel good, and a guy who comes off as a "woman hater" wouldn't get the time of day from these chicks.

And as far as dealing with women I do actually "date", I am very careful to project the right attitude even if they do something that might be a little out of line, cause I know it doesn't do any good to show that they are getting under your skin. they take it as WEAKNESS, and I refuse to project that to people, even if it means biting my tongue and keeping my game face on.
 

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iqqi said:
^^^You are clueless sometimes. I want to say all the time, but... I am trying to be nice! And leave room for improvement.

Joekerr is all the way correcto on this one.

And I almost started laughing when STR8UP got so mad that he was about to throw a $20 and leave?!!! OMG. What a drama queen. He wants to start some sh!t, but can't take it when its pointed back at him? Joekerr said it best, twice. Firstly, make jokes at your own peril (the numero uno rule to being a funny guy, btw), and secondly, the hissy fit was real immature. Thank god you didn't do that, however your hissy fit inside still probably came through... just as bad.

You want to act all funny and cool and humourful, but flip out when someone makes a jab back? WHO has multiple personalities???
Guys...I can't believe I agree with Iqqi here.

I also think Lovelylady is 100% correct too. The way I see it, this gal was trying to impress the other guy there. Str8up makes a comment, I'm sure just trying to be funny, but she interprets it as an insult while she's focused the other guy.

Therefore, it's interpretted as a c0ckblock, and she puts Str8up in his place.

Now let's reverse the situation..

Let's say Str8up is hitting on a HB. HB's friend butts in and insults Str8up...we'd all agree she was a c0ckblocker, and Str8up would have had every right to respond.

We shouldn't be so sensitive to this kind of thing. There is definitely a feeling of women hating here. We are starting to apply double standards, the same double standards we complain that women do!!
 

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dammit....I'm trying to take a break from this joint but i keep getting sucked back in...

Keto- you always do a great job at finding alternative perspectives to things. In this case though I don't think she was concerned about me being a "good little AFC" or even that she had that much interest in me to begin with when we were out the time before. We were being flirty with each other verbally, even bumping hips and stuff so there was some physical contact too, but I didn't read too much into it. I just started thinking to myself "Wow, maybe she isn't so uptight after all...she seems fun....she's actually ATTRACTIVE underneath her shell".

As a side note maybe i should also mention that this is the same woman who I heard was having an affair with a married guy at work, and the last time I saw her she came up to me and grabbed and held onto my arm for a couple of minutes while she said goodbye because she was leaving with ANOTHER dude to "go get something to eat".

Honestly, the dude that met us at brunch seemed really cool. I would bet that once he gets past the pretty facade this chick portrays he's gonna run for the hills. Good luck to him!
 

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You know, I can see both sides to the coin here, and I'm not gonna say that if the situation were reversed that I wouldn't have felt a little taken aback since it could have been interpreted different ways by different people,

HOWEVER.....

fact remains that it WAS NOT called for a her to point at me and get snappy. That's what an uptight b!tch would do. A normal person would blow it off or would have at least handled it in a more dignified manner. If it were me and I were offended i would have simply filed it as a minor strike against that person and if it continued then I would either address it or avoid that person.
 

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STR8UP said:
fact remains that it WAS NOT called for a her to point at me and get snappy. That's what an uptight b!tch would do...
Don't you see how this could be reversed exactly in her mind?

Fact of the matter is, you kind of started it.
 

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Mr. Me said:
It's happened that, in my online dating adventures, I'll contact a woman having a lengthy profile essay with some sarcastic comments about the long length of her profile. Over-the-top, absurd, funny banter, so that it can't possibly be taken seriously by a somewhat sane person. Not offensive, "attack" stuff.

Now this same exact email goes out to people, and sometimes I'll get flamed and sometimes I get people getting it and playing right back. Had several dates come out of it. So is it me, or is it them? It's the exact same email going out to all of them.

Their reaction to it speaks about them and their attitudes; it's not about the message or the messenger. In fact, this is more like administering a Roshak test.
Exactly, this was an example of a girl having a bad attitude and subjectively interpreting teasing/flirting negatively because she had some other guy sitting there in the bullpen. She basically failed the test.
 

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When someone makes an innocent comment it isn't proper to handle it the way she did. If what I said was undeniably rude, like if I said "You know you're not as thin as you used to be honey", I might understand a little more, but regardless of what was said nobody has a right to "get in someone's face" like that over something so trivial.

Deep Dish met this chick and his impression of her was that she is "pricing herself out of the market". In other words, even when she was being NICE and FRIENDLY to me (for the first time) she gave off a vibe of superiority and entitlement.

Oh yea, I forgot to mention....this chick is no stranger to making off color comments herself.

The night I saw her at martinifest I was wearing a skullcap. She came up to me shen she first saw me and hugged me and rubbed my head. Then, next time I saw her she made a comment about it and she said "It's kinda 20's ish, don't ya think?"

She was insulting my choice of apparel. DIRECTLY. Not making a joke, it was a cut down.

Me being the person I am I WAS taken aback by what she said, but I gracefully transitioned the convo without calling her on it. It wasn't THAT big of a deal, just like my comment wasn't THAT big of a deal.
 

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Mr.Positive said:
Guys...I can't believe I agree with Iqqi here.

I also think Lovelylady is 100% correct too. The way I see it, this gal was trying to impress the other guy there. Str8up makes a comment, I'm sure just trying to be funny, but she interprets it as an insult while she's focused the other guy.

Therefore, it's interpretted as a c0ckblock, and she puts Str8up in his place.

Now let's reverse the situation..

Let's say Str8up is hitting on a HB. HB's friend butts in and insults Str8up...we'd all agree she was a c0ckblocker, and Str8up would have had every right to respond.

We shouldn't be so sensitive to this kind of thing. There is definitely a feeling of women hating here. We are starting to apply double standards, the same double standards we complain that women do!!
You didn't reverse the situation at all. In reverse it'd be more like, Str8up has a short history of saying borderline chauvanistic things to HB but she bit her tongue. Str8up goes to lunch with HB and a mutual friend, but he invites a girl he's been hooking up with. HB didn't really expect this other girl to show up. Str8up says something ****y so HB flirts and teases Str8up. Str8up gets a little nasty and points his finger in HB's face and says don't you blah blah". HB departs and Str8up goes on to party and hookup with the other girl.

That would be the scenario more in reverse.
 

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STR8UP said:
Oh yea, I forgot to mention....this chick is no stranger to making off color comments herself.

The night I saw her at martinifest I was wearing a skullcap. She came up to me shen she first saw me and hugged me and rubbed my head. Then, next time I saw her she made a comment about it and she said "It's kinda 20's ish, don't ya think?"

She was insulting my choice of apparel. DIRECTLY. Not making a joke, it was a cut down.
with this extra bit of info i can now say that making a fool of her was a good thing. she's a b*tch and deserved it.

when she wagged her finger in your face you should have laughed at her and said 'its not like i made a crack about your fat *ss or anything. jeez. go see a shrink."

im HUGE for not insulting / hurting people - i believe 'do unto others as youd have them do unto you.' BUT once someone pokes me in the eye, i pull out my sledgehammer and hit them in the head.
 

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joekerr31 said:
with this extra bit of info i can now say that making a fool of her was a good thing. she's a b*tch and deserved it.
You know, it wasn't so much that I found it insulting that she took a shot at what I was wearing, the thing that kind of got to me was the small mindedness. I mean, really, I've gotten compliments from women on the cap before, and here she is telling me that I'm too old to be wearing it. When she hits 36 and has the t!ts for it I'm not gonna be telling her she needs to stop wearing tank tops cause that's "so 20's ish".

And the more I see, the more I think she is a b!tch. She just surprised me when she started being nice and friendly for awhile.
 

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STR8UP said:
You know, it wasn't so much that I found it insulting that she took a shot at what I was wearing, the thing that kind of got to me was the small mindedness. I mean, really, I've gotten compliments from women on the cap before, and here she is telling me that I'm too old to be wearing it. When she hits 36 and has the t!ts for it I'm not gonna be telling her she needs to stop wearing tank tops cause that's "so 20's ish".

And the more I see, the more I think she is a b!tch. She just surprised me when she started being nice and friendly for awhile.
like i say, knocking someones intelligence, mental stability, or looks is out of bounds. for her to do that upon meeting you is totally unacceptable. she was basically trying to cut your nuts off and establish dominance over you.

if some chic ever did that to me i would spend the rest of my time with her widdling away at her self esteem until she was about to break, then i would take the sledge hammer to her.

im a nice guy, but im a mean son of a b*tch to people who see it as acceptable to belittle others for no reason.
 

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Her original statement, " I have multiple facets to my personaliy " was a mild to moderate 'attention seeking' verbal claim by her. It invited further response from those people at the table - She was attempting to funnel the social energy in her direction so that her " mulitple facets" would be dissected and discussed at some length and in some depth. She wanted the assembled to focus on, and talk about HER and her "facets" . .. And perhaps trigger interest in her from the other guy.
Her statement had a twist in it which carried the suggestion that her personality was unusual and "different". She was hoping to provoke comment or ellicit table discussion.
It was pure attention seeking ..
However when STR8 said what he said. he deflated her somewhat. The convo did not create the spotlight that she was hoping to switch on and bask in.
I see his comments as a harmless and classic C&F response and one which I would readily use in the circumstances.

To suggest that he stepped over the line and attacked her mental health is nonsense.

I am with STR8uP on this one.
 

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You know why you're gay?

Because you guys spend hours and hours analyzing some off hand comment made by some broad.

Who cares! :)
 

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If that woman who made the comment only knew the amount of discussion she has caused over one little comment, she would feel even more empowered than she already does!

Yes, Str8up is over analyzing, as he has been want to do for the past few weeks and months. And yes, the woman probably went a little over board in her retort to our man str8up here. And yes, str8up probably should have just minded his own business.

But all in all, it was nothing. On either party. One little comment made out of many every day. Str8up is just overly sensitive and analytical right now when it comes to women. All he needs is a good lay, (or a steady gf) to set his mind straight.

C'mon..it's not rocket surgery!
 
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It IS funny how my "over analyzing" seems to bring about discussions that we can learn from though, eh? I know I do.
 

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And before this site I did all my analyzing in my head without the benefit of an objective perspective, which is extremely valuable.
 

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Over analyzing happens when we are micro managing.

When we are micro managing, we often let a lot of self doubt, and second guessing in.

When we are over analyzing and micro managing these are two signs that we are not fully engaged (Grounded and Present-Masculine traits) in our life , in our Mission.
 

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STR8UP said:
It IS funny how my "over analyzing" seems to bring about discussions that we can learn from though, eh? I know I do.
Ya, I may not agree with everything you've said or done, but I most certainly always gain something from your threads.
 

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