MSN girl

[trv26]

OK been chatting to this girl msn last few days. We tend to converse for a long time, but I guess I'm not fun enough or whatever.

I asked her for phone, said no. Asked her out, she said no. Anyway to save this? She did says she would go out but only as frens, so I said no. Should I take her up on that and try to work on things ther?

Perhaps I need to make the conversation more sexual, any tips to achieve this subtly? Also, any other tips?

 

[2Pac_Makaveli_1]

Move on.

 

[Dannyrt34]

Can't believe you didn't use one of my favorite lines, lol

Her: We can go to the bar, but just as friends.
You: Of course just as friends, I barely know you! slow down!

Your problem is you're not being playful enough with the conversation. For example, if she's talking about going to the bar. Say something like "Don't be trying to get me drunk though." Use your imagination and your own personality to let your fun side show through.

Edit: Forgot to add, you already came off as boring so you won't be able to redeem interest in this one. But don't stress, most of us have been there, take it as a learning experience.

 

[JDA70]

Face it you've just been friends zoned.
She said no twice so move along and
find another one.

 

[trv26]

Lol, I love how people's answer to every question on these boards is move on.

OK I've been friend-zoned, but the girl talks to me all the time, so relatively interested. How do I improve on that. Is it never possible to get out of friendzone?

 

[JDA70]

Lol, I love how people's answer to every question on these boards is move on.

That's not true.

What's so special about this one that you
just got to work it out some how?
What's so special about HER that made you post this?
Don't you have anyother girls to try and hook up with
that ain't friend zoned you yet?

 

[2Pac_Makaveli_1]

That's not true.

What's so special about this one that you
just got to work it out some how?
What's so special about HER that made you post this?
Don't you have anyother girls to try and hook up with
that ain't friend zoned you yet?

That is the attitude you want, my smalled balled friend. You asked her out over MSN, wrong move. You can convey more about yourself in 2 minutes over the phone than in 3 days over MSN.

Unlucky fella, as I said move on and do not ignore this advice.

 

[trv26]

Don't you have anyother girls to try and hook up with
that ain't friend zoned you yet?

Unfortunately mainly that.

But on the other side. Believing I have a shot at her at least distracts me from thinking/phoning my ex. (See other recent thread)

@2Pac...

OK little guy, got it.

 

[TheRealSupreme]

How many times does she have to say no before you accept it?

I would say forget her. She is one of those internet junkies. They get off on getting guys hooked on them over the net whom they never plan to meet. She may even be married for all you know.

 

[daygameguy]

Well, you can accept her no for now. Just be casual, keep a good vibe, and let her know that you still enjoy her company. Maybe, even with all odds against you, she will start to feel a certain chemistry, sexual tension, and a level of comfort to feel true attraction for you. But that is going to take a heck lot of persistence. I'd recommend you game other girls.

 

[Your_Royal_Flyness]

OK been chatting to this girl msn last few days. We tend to converse for a long time, but I guess I'm not fun enough or whatever.

I asked her for phone, said no. Asked her out, she said no. Anyway to save this? She did says she would go out but only as frens, so I said no. Should I take her up on that and try to work on things ther?

Perhaps I need to make the conversation more sexual, any tips to achieve this subtly? Also, any other tips?

Damn, man...you have to give this one up. Your first problem is that you've been chatting for a few days. Why didn't you make a move to get her to the phone after that first chat?

Ultimately, she's not interested. And if she isn't choosing (showing interest), then its over. Move on and don't look back. In the future, never "ask" a girl out. Suggest that she comes with you. Next time, save your chat history and paste it on here so we can see what you're saying. However, it sounds like you wussed out and you need to "man up" for the next conversation. (No disrespect--I've been there). If your conversation is lacking and you want some game, PM me.

 

[Ollie]

I'm with trv on this one...been saying it for a while now. Everyone on here is too quick to next people when shown a little resistance. Like that makes you some sort of badass or something. To me it shows a huge lack of confidence. How many times does she have to say no before you accept it? Well I was out with a girl last night who told me in no uncertain terms three times while at a bar that there was no way she'd have sex with me on our first date when I was turning our conversation sexual. She only had two beers and I ended up cvmming all over her face. No's an obstacle, not the end. I'm too busy trying to fvck pvssy's to act like one and run away because a girl think she's cool or something.

As for your situation, do you know the girl in real life? Can't really tell from your post. If she offered to hang out as friends do it. The friend zone is a bunch of crap people who have no skills blame their lack of sex on, especially if you don't know her too well in person. They may see you like a friend, but that's only because you haven't revealed your mysterious sexual nature yet. It's all about escalating sexual energy. Don't turn the conversation sexual over MSN if you aren't already on a sexual level with her. It'll come off creepy. If you want to escalate it has to be in person. Just put this girl on the back burner for a bit and talk to other girls, and hang out with her "as friends" while working on getting her hot and bothered.

 

[trv26]

Next time, save your chat history and paste it on here so we can see what you're saying.

I always save convos . Will perhaps paste it after I have taken out any personal info and if I feel like I can handle the criticism. Actually, I might, as I could do with some general conersation advice.

Also, I've never met the girl in person and really only started to chat to her 3-4 days back, but not to worry she's only 18 and definitely not married. We have a mutual "friend".

And thanks for the support Ollie and daygameguy. Just to clarify she initially said no to meeting up then said she might consider it, if only as frens. Worst comes to worst it might not be so bad being friends. Never had a female friend before(that's how bad I'm with women) so might be fun to hang out regardless.

Finally, I most definitely will try with other women. Part of the reason I'm tryibg with her is she got dumped recently, so was hoping to be the rebound guy (Hey I can do with the sex ).

 

[2Pac_Makaveli_1]

I'm with trv on this one...been saying it for a while now. Everyone on here is too quick to next people when shown a little resistance. Like that makes you some sort of badass or something. To me it shows a huge lack of confidence. How many times does she have to say no before you accept it? Well I was out with a girl last night who told me in no uncertain terms three times while at a bar that there was no way she'd have sex with me on our first date when I was turning our conversation sexual. She only had two beers and I ended up cvmming all over her face. No's an obstacle, not the end. I'm too busy trying to fvck pvssy's to act like one and run away because a girl think she's cool or something.

As for your situation, do you know the girl in real life? Can't really tell from your post. If she offered to hang out as friends do it. The friend zone is a bunch of crap people who have no skills blame their lack of sex on, especially if you don't know her too well in person. They may see you like a friend, but that's only because you haven't revealed your mysterious sexual nature yet. It's all about escalating sexual energy. Don't turn the conversation sexual over MSN if you aren't already on a sexual level with her. It'll come off creepy. If you want to escalate it has to be in person. Just put this girl on the back burner for a bit and talk to other girls, and hang out with her "as friends" while working on getting her hot and bothered.

This is probably the biggest piece of s hit excuse for a post I have ever seen in my life.

A huge lack of confidence is constantly chasing after a girl when she says no on a number of occasions (which is more than a little resistance, why would she say this if she actually liked you?)

You're saying she told you no three times then you came all over her face after she had TWO beers? Of course.. she told you she had two beers. A complete lack of confidence is asking a girl again and again and again to have sex with you when she is drunk which is basically RAPE. She probably woke up in the morning spewing her guts and turning celibate.


Your post screams AFC turned rapist. un-f ucking lucky.

 

[trv26]

Lol relax. if sex after two beers is rape, then there are tens of thousands of them happening every weekend.

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

Is this girl worth the trouble of continuing the persistence ?

If YES , than keep showing high value , build sexual tension. Be dominant. Also don't forget to show to her that you are higher value than she is. And overall BE THE FVCKING MEN.

If NO , so if she's just a girl you're trying to hit because you don't think you have any other easier options , than NEXT HER and start your improvement journal.

 

[trv26]

Yes and know. She is rather pretty, HB7 I'd say, but I really do not have any other options as well, which is another reaon for the persistence.

Either way, do you reckon persistence ever pays?

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

From your last post on this thread , i can see that you're trying to get this girl not because YOU LIKE HER SO MUCH , but because you want to get any girl to boost your ego.

Or because you want a girl and she's the only one that you think its easy and the only option for now.

This is a bad mindset and you will sent to her a bad vibe. You're gaming her to please your neediness.

My advice is to start your improvement journal .
You can choose that or you can be like this for the rest of your life.
Your decision.

DTP

 

[trv26]

Just got LJBD'd :-(. Part of the problem being she knows about my recent break up and reckons im on the rebound.

 

[Your_Royal_Flyness]

Yes and know. She is rather pretty, HB7 I'd say, but I really do not have any other options as well, which is another reaon for the persistence.

Either way, do you reckon persistence ever pays?

Persistence does not pay with a woman who is not attracted to you. Not to be funny, but unwelcome persistence is called being a stalker. This is what happens when you stay "persistent":

-She will ignore you, then avoid you, then involve law enforcement to keep you away.
or
-She will begin to disrespect you (first covertly, then overtly)
or
-She will use you as an ear to talk to, when the guys who she's having sex with screws her over
or
-She will use you as an ego boost and will call, hang out or even tease you, when she wants to feel validated. Once she does, she'll use the confidence you gave her to attract OTHER men.

This is not like TV sitcoms where the girl gradually starts to like a guy and rewards his persistence with love and affection. Real life doesn't work this way. The quicker you realize that, the better off you will be.

What you NEED to do is tighten your style, develop your self-confidence, and never allow yourself to be dependent on a female to lean on after a breakup. That what females do. You're a man.