Viper
Banned
No one f*cking thinks I'm a loser, except for those wannabe-gangsters, other than that, few people even worry about me, although I have heard some girls talk about me being the 'guy who hardly ever talks to anyone'.
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mroriginal2
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why not change schools? you can clean up your act and forget about your past, kids will find your first impression to be a good one if you play it right.
Viper
Banned
Well, firstly, you can't JUST change schools, secondly, not only would that be the pussies way out, it's not even that serious. Anyone who CHANGES schools just because of a bad reputation with a couple of people, is even more of a loser than me. I'm sorry, but that's the worst advice you could ever give.
Well, I used to be really confident in my abilities. Like, arrogant, because I was the smartest person in my grade. Maybe you should just flaunt your abilities?
I don't know.
I mean, it takes a while.
I'm a naturally funny guy, but I used to not be. I kind of lost it when I moved, because of a hit to my confidence.
But if you are confident, you will become funny. Or you could work on it. Like self improvement.
There's a book I have recently been reading called "How to win friends and influence people." And since I know a lot about this in general, I recognized the quality. Plus it was written in the 20's, and still applies to today's society.
I can send you a copy if you PM me.
I don't know.
I mean, it takes a while.
I'm a naturally funny guy, but I used to not be. I kind of lost it when I moved, because of a hit to my confidence.
But if you are confident, you will become funny. Or you could work on it. Like self improvement.
There's a book I have recently been reading called "How to win friends and influence people." And since I know a lot about this in general, I recognized the quality. Plus it was written in the 20's, and still applies to today's society.
I can send you a copy if you PM me.
Well I'm here to tell you there is such a magic wand. Something that will make you almost completely irresistible to any woman you "point it" at. Something guaranteed to fill your life with love, romance, and excitement.
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Yep, some of 'em.
But you know what. That's only what Viper thinks (or thought back then). I'm sure of it that not all the people in his school thought of him as a total loser and never be able to change that belief.
Serieusly dude, most people don't really know him well. They just know him from school and most people will just think: "ow, I guess I was wrong about him, he is a pretty cool guy" when he'll improve his ways. Key to this, is that you have to believe in it, as long as neccesary for it to become reality.
What you (adone) are doing, is talking to him in a self limiting way. And that's not realistic thinking, it's just plain wrong.
Remember, high goals get higher results (even if you do not completely attain the goals).
Positivity is key.
Viper
Banned
I already play guitar and bass guitar.
Viper
Banned
Thanks for the advice guys, although, I'm pretty much even now having the same problem, even with my new attitude about things, nothing is changing and despite my attitude, I feel like I'm in the same place I was before I started with my new attitude. Hardly anyone is noticing the change, I still don't have many friends, no girls or noticing it, I feel like nothings changed. Since people don't seem to be noticing me, I'm thinking about just going up to the people that I WANT to notice me and seeing if they're worthy of being friends with me, if I see a girl, I'll talk to her, I can't keep waiting for her to notice me.
Getting girls at school sucks, especially starting with little reputation. You should be spending time with friends outside of school. That leads to a happy existence, which leads to confidence, which leads to getting pvssy. 
If I was in your situation I would try to get into a clique with some people who you could watch interact with the type of chicks you like. Context is a beautiful thing.
If you choose not to go the context route the only advice I can give is:
In sports, the defense is REACTIVE, the offense is ACTIVE. Now think about how those two interact. By going on the offense (or actively affecting someone's emotional state through conversation) you make them reactive to you. Now they're predictable and conversation should be easy. All you have to do is keep them under an exciting emotional state and they will love you for it because before you took charge and made their lives interesting they were sitting their bored, unaffected. Its truly that easy. Emotional state = exciting.
For whatever reason people usually suck at being reactive AND active, so you should get good at doing both in conversations. This way when you approach someone to start a conversation (which inherently involves you affecting their emotional state so you can get their attention) your offense is game, when someone turns the tables and goes offense on YOU, the same can be said about your defense AND you get the ego boost that they're taking the time to affect you, actively. That can only lead to more entertaining conversation.
Your goal is to affect her emotional state so masterfully that eventually she is inspired to affect yours. And it matters little how she tries to affect your emotional state! Imagine she tries to make you angry! If she does, then you should be able to reactively, masterfully counter by again affecting her emotional state through laughter, anger, w/e. As long as you're continually affecting her (i.e. appealing to her emotions) a conversation is a living thing. Otherwise, it's a dying thing.
Since you don't have the confidence and reputation as a pimp daddy, yet: YOU have to approach chicks with the idea you're trying to get them to affect YOUR emotional state by affecting their's.
Let's take your Daniellle example and apply my advice.
First, lets remind ourselves of the original:
[I tap her shoulder lightly 'to get her attention' and go "Hey Danielle."]
Danielle: Uh, hey Mike.
Me: So you going to the carnival this Saturday?
Danielle: Uh, no I don't think I'll be able to go.
Me: Oh, well, that's cool.
Danielle: Yeah.
Me: So, uh, did you take the Algebra test yet?
Danielle: No, not yet .
Me: Oh, well, it's pretty easy. You'll do good on it.
Danielle: Uh, thanks.
Me: Well, see ya later.
Danielle: Bye.
Now, if you had been a MAN and took responsibility for her emotional state (i.e. keeping her entertained) during the conversation, it probably would have gone something like this:
[I tap her shoulder lightly 'to get her attention' and go "Hey Danielle."]
Danielle: Uh, hey Mike.
Me: So you going to the carnival this Saturday?
Danielle: Uh, no I don't think I'll be able to go.
Me: Oh, well, that's cool.
Me: Say, I hear they're going to have a destruction derby in the circus. I signed up. *quick inhalation of breath, followed by a mock "Yep".
*eyebrows crinkle*
"Have you seen my car???"
Danielle: *laughs*
"Sorry, I don't remember your car but one of my girlfriends said it was a junk heap"
Me: Yes, yes it is.
Danielle: *laughs*
Me: What do you drive?
Danielle: I don't, my mom is all pissed at me for blablablabla.
Or further on in the conversation you could have:
Danielle: Yeah.
Me: So, uh, did you take the Algebra test yet?
Danielle: No, not yet .
Me: Oh, well, you're screwed. Its not easy at all, and the test is literally *one* multiple choice question.
Danielle: Really?? I didn't hear that!
Me: True, see its basically the Algebra teacher, Mr. Murdock's life story.
*thoughtful look*
"I never knew you and he dated! Isn't that illegal?!"
See how the setup transitions into the punchline? The setup works because right then she's AFRAID of failing the test, so you have her attention, then you transform her emotional state to laughter right before her eyes. What chick isn't going to dig that?
Just remember, good looks are relative, and matter little when you can have the courage to dazzle people with conversations. They KNOW you're controlling them through appreciable entertainment, and they DON'T KNOW HOW. They may as well think you're a god.
Further on in your progression you may want to take a second look at this, because you'll notice if there's a girl that understands how the game is played, and she can play it just as well, (i.e. stress you out) she's probably a keeper.
But yeah, this very specific advice can only take you so far. There's a danger you get so good at it that you're talking for hours and never actually do anything, etc.
Since it's High School, you're in an institution with STRONG cliques, so infiltrating one of the cliques and seeing how they get chicks is probably your best bet. That's basically what I did. Its harder for lone wolves of any kind to get laid in high school. See, when you get older and get a good job, these strong cliques don't exist so much because #1: People change jobs so much and #2: We're adults, we're supposed to know that reacting based on a clique mentality is retarded.
Be careful because not only do you get good context, social experience, and social proof out of those cliques, oftentimes you absorb some of the bad things, too.
If I was in your situation I would try to get into a clique with some people who you could watch interact with the type of chicks you like. Context is a beautiful thing.
If you choose not to go the context route the only advice I can give is:
In sports, the defense is REACTIVE, the offense is ACTIVE. Now think about how those two interact. By going on the offense (or actively affecting someone's emotional state through conversation) you make them reactive to you. Now they're predictable and conversation should be easy. All you have to do is keep them under an exciting emotional state and they will love you for it because before you took charge and made their lives interesting they were sitting their bored, unaffected. Its truly that easy. Emotional state = exciting.
For whatever reason people usually suck at being reactive AND active, so you should get good at doing both in conversations. This way when you approach someone to start a conversation (which inherently involves you affecting their emotional state so you can get their attention) your offense is game, when someone turns the tables and goes offense on YOU, the same can be said about your defense AND you get the ego boost that they're taking the time to affect you, actively. That can only lead to more entertaining conversation.
Your goal is to affect her emotional state so masterfully that eventually she is inspired to affect yours. And it matters little how she tries to affect your emotional state! Imagine she tries to make you angry! If she does, then you should be able to reactively, masterfully counter by again affecting her emotional state through laughter, anger, w/e. As long as you're continually affecting her (i.e. appealing to her emotions) a conversation is a living thing. Otherwise, it's a dying thing.
Since you don't have the confidence and reputation as a pimp daddy, yet: YOU have to approach chicks with the idea you're trying to get them to affect YOUR emotional state by affecting their's.
Let's take your Daniellle example and apply my advice.
First, lets remind ourselves of the original:
[I tap her shoulder lightly 'to get her attention' and go "Hey Danielle."]
Danielle: Uh, hey Mike.
Me: So you going to the carnival this Saturday?
Danielle: Uh, no I don't think I'll be able to go.
Me: Oh, well, that's cool.
Danielle: Yeah.
Me: So, uh, did you take the Algebra test yet?
Danielle: No, not yet .
Me: Oh, well, it's pretty easy. You'll do good on it.
Danielle: Uh, thanks.
Me: Well, see ya later.
Danielle: Bye.
Now, if you had been a MAN and took responsibility for her emotional state (i.e. keeping her entertained) during the conversation, it probably would have gone something like this:
[I tap her shoulder lightly 'to get her attention' and go "Hey Danielle."]
Danielle: Uh, hey Mike.
Me: So you going to the carnival this Saturday?
Danielle: Uh, no I don't think I'll be able to go.
Me: Oh, well, that's cool.
Me: Say, I hear they're going to have a destruction derby in the circus. I signed up. *quick inhalation of breath, followed by a mock "Yep".
*eyebrows crinkle*
"Have you seen my car???"
Danielle: *laughs*
"Sorry, I don't remember your car but one of my girlfriends said it was a junk heap"
Me: Yes, yes it is.
Danielle: *laughs*
Me: What do you drive?
Danielle: I don't, my mom is all pissed at me for blablablabla.
Or further on in the conversation you could have:
Danielle: Yeah.
Me: So, uh, did you take the Algebra test yet?
Danielle: No, not yet .
Me: Oh, well, you're screwed. Its not easy at all, and the test is literally *one* multiple choice question.
Danielle: Really?? I didn't hear that!
Me: True, see its basically the Algebra teacher, Mr. Murdock's life story.
*thoughtful look*
"I never knew you and he dated! Isn't that illegal?!"
See how the setup transitions into the punchline? The setup works because right then she's AFRAID of failing the test, so you have her attention, then you transform her emotional state to laughter right before her eyes. What chick isn't going to dig that?
Just remember, good looks are relative, and matter little when you can have the courage to dazzle people with conversations. They KNOW you're controlling them through appreciable entertainment, and they DON'T KNOW HOW. They may as well think you're a god.
Further on in your progression you may want to take a second look at this, because you'll notice if there's a girl that understands how the game is played, and she can play it just as well, (i.e. stress you out) she's probably a keeper.
But yeah, this very specific advice can only take you so far. There's a danger you get so good at it that you're talking for hours and never actually do anything, etc.
Since it's High School, you're in an institution with STRONG cliques, so infiltrating one of the cliques and seeing how they get chicks is probably your best bet. That's basically what I did. Its harder for lone wolves of any kind to get laid in high school. See, when you get older and get a good job, these strong cliques don't exist so much because #1: People change jobs so much and #2: We're adults, we're supposed to know that reacting based on a clique mentality is retarded.
Be careful because not only do you get good context, social experience, and social proof out of those cliques, oftentimes you absorb some of the bad things, too.
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