Morality is *sexy* - in the end, the Good Guy will always beat out the Bad Boy

[Warrior74]

To those of you discussing my reasons and choices in sexual partners and applying that to your own reasoning, you do realize that you are talking about a person you do not know in real life, right? To do that is pretty ignorant so maybe you should rethink making arguments using me based on assumptions of "all women" which in itself is ignorant.

For one everything that was mentioned was wrong on all counts. To argue about it would be a waste of my time though, so I just wanted to point out how baseless that "strategy" is.

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I agree with the consensus that different women and men go for different types. Some women value men with morality and high character, who loves life and people, and wants to be a good man. Just as some men value a woman who displays high character.

Others value "bad boys" and "b!tches", and desire someone who will treat them like sh!t.

Not so fun is it? Exactly, nobody knows the truth about anybody else. All you can do is what's right for you. Nobody likes speculation on their lives or character. It's a good lesson to remember.

 

[iqqi]

Not so fun is it? Exactly, nobody knows the truth about anybody else. All you can do is what's right for you. Nobody likes speculation on their lives or character. It's a good lesson to remember.

Not sure what you are talking about here.

I have actually made a few threads about my personal life here on SS, and they don't really support any of the "assumptions" being made.

Now on the other hand if I was posting thread after thread about being degraded and abused and treated wrong by the many terrible men I was choosing to be with, then you'd have another story.

Want to continue to derail this thread by talking about iqqi's life and her possible maybe not really sure but could be because she is a woman life choices?

 

[Colossus]

Every person we've ever ƒucked was a quality person while we we're ƒucking,...up until the point that we weren't.

Speak for yourself there boss.

I can think of numerous women I slept with whom I KNEW were not quality; I just wanted to fvck 'em.

I'd bet that just about every man here has past lays he knew he didn't want to see past the next morning.


With relationships your statement might apply, but not fvcking.

 

[Warrior74]

Not sure what you are talking about here.

I have actually made a few threads about my personal life here on SS, and they don't really support any of the "assumptions" being made.

Now on the other hand if I was posting thread after thread about being degraded and abused and treated wrong by the many terrible men I was choosing to be with, then you'd have another story.

Want to continue to derail this thread by talking about iqqi's life and her possible maybe not really sure but could be because she is a woman life choices?

what?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I have actually made a few threads about my personal life here on SS, and they don't really support any of the "assumptions" being made.

Want to continue to derail this thread by talking about iqqi's life and her possible maybe not really sure but could be because she is a woman life choices?

Yeah, really, shouldn't you be passed out on the mattress in the back of your van in Chicago outside of some Starbucks you're stealing wi-fi from about now anyway?

 

[Stagger Lee]

And here, gentlemen, we see the reverse of the Myth of the Quality Woman - the Myth of the Quality Man. Any guy / girl meeting with the temporal approval of another intimate is ALWAYS perceived as "quality". It's an ego preservation function to presume we are always discriminating enough to invest our time into another person wisely, irrespective of the reality or the subjective observations of others. Every person we've ever ƒucked was a quality person while we we're ƒucking,...up until the point that we weren't.

This is so true. Just about every woman I've known says the man she is currently seeing and sexing is such a high quality man. He could be a total scum bag or bum in reality. Then after the woman breaks up with the guy usually he becomes the worst man she's ever known in her mind.

 

[Zunder]

Oh stop making sh!t up. I've been around plenty of criminals, and this is just bullsh!t. All the stereotypes about them are about 100% dead on. He11 most of them are too dumb to even think about having a 'code'.

The Mafia indeed had a code, which was strictly adhered to for a long time .......... but then, well, one guy ratted, then another, and another....then it became every man for himself.

Which just proves the point, that in the end - despite all the moral bvll**** talk - it really is every man for himself. Thats why "nice guys" are truly evil ****n azzholes. At least I am honest in saying - "fvck everyone else, it is me who comes first" - then I will worry (if at all) about being of benefit to society at large.

 

[Zunder]

you just said :"girls place a higher priority on dominance/masculinity than morality"

so wtf are you talking about ?

morality is just a code of conduct which differs from one person to another: what is right for u is maybe not so for me.

if you think that girls give a **** about morality, you' re dead wrong.

we are fvcking animals with needs and pulsions the rest doesn't come into the picture.

why ?

human are self interested creatures who in certain situation upgrade their morality, or even self concept so they can still feel good about themeselves even if they have to steal, lie or cheat.

women are good at it : they use rationalisation to maintain their self concept even if they have done something like cheating that they usually consider wrong.

morality is not intrinsinc


this is about power.

Just read this.

This is IT. Really no need to say anymore. Well done.

 

[Tictac]

Oh stop making sh!t up. I've been around plenty of criminals, and this is just bullsh!t. All the stereotypes about them are about 100% dead on. He11 most of them are too dumb to even think about having a 'code'.

Thanks Luthor. To believe that criminals operate under some sort of 'thieves code' is to believe that "The Godfather" is a true story.

Well its more like "Goodfellas" (which was a dramatized true story of Henry Hill's life). Most criminals do what they do because they are too stupid or otherwise mentally compromised (read CRAZY) to make it without taking from others things they cannot earn for themselves.

Much the same mentality pervades on this forum. But there is real enlightenment here too, if you've got the smarts and the chops to learn what's here, INTERNALIZE IT and then do it you can have productive relationships with women or even one woman if that is your choice.

Tictac

 

[zekko]

She may very well LIKE nice guys, but in no way do they get her panties wet.

I don't know, I have moral standards (not saying I follow them as well as I should), and those panties felt wet to me. There is a difference between being a "nice guy" and being a NICE GUY as defined by the seduction community. Lots of men are "nice guys" without being the AFC clueless milquetoats as described in forums like these. The whole NICE GUY stereotype is just something wimpy guys complain about when they fail with women: they claim it's because they're NICE GUYS, when in fact it's because they are wusses, or boring, or both.

But I agree that initial attraction is not based on morality. I've been attracted to women when I knew I shouldn't have been, but they were SEXY. They weren't sexy because they were immoral (because I know plenty of immoral women I haven't been attracted to), they were just sexy. Similarly, a woman will be attracted to a sexy guy, whether he's a "nice guy" or a jerk. She may even use the jerk for a one night stand. But for a relationship to move beyond the ONS or FB stage, they have to have a similar sense of morality. So it's a qualifier that comes in later, after the initial attraction. To some girls it will matter, to some it won't.

 

[Tictac]

There is a difference between being a "nice guy" and being a NICE GUY as defined by the seduction community.

zekko,

Maybe we're saying the same thing. My 'nice guy' died with my marriage. I am a 'good man' though. For me that means that I look out for me most of all. But not without considering the knock-on effects of what I do or do not do.

I think that most here equate 'nice guy' with AFC. And maybe that's right. Terminology is important, words mean things. So maybe 'nice guy' needs a more operational definition.

Tictac

 

[Trader]

If morality were the hallmark of attraction pastors, priests and patricians would have women clambering over each other to get with them.

As I said before, masculinity has higher value in a girl's eyes than morality - if you don't have any balls, you are not getting any. Most pastors and priests are wimps. If you lack masculinity and dominance, no amount of morals is going to make you attractive to girls.

Once again, a presumption of absolutes ruins yet another SS thread. Abusive Bad Boy and Doormat Nice Guy are cast as polar opposite absolutist caricatures in order for the OP to feel better about himself when "low quality woman" (another caricature), rejects him and he needs a self-righteous rationalization to explain away all the time and effort he put into pursuing her.

I have been rejected by sexy girls before and trust me - it wasn't because of my morals - it was because at the time, I was not MAN enough for her. It's that simple.

 

[Trader]

Zekko/Tictac,

You both make a strong and necessary case for a definition of the word "Nice". My definition.....it's all relative to the perspective of the woman (and men but that's another story). There has been a considerable level of discussion on the "Nice Guy" topic with some great threads and comments although I can't find the particular thread I am thinking of.

One of our fellow members went on to say that it is ok to be "Nice", as long as you hold the frame through a strong, dominant masculine role. Where the situation gets gray is that often women, afc's, or feminized men will DEFINE masculinity itself as being evil. So even if you are a nice guy, by keeping your natural testosterone laden behaviours with you while still being "Nice", many will consider you an a$$hole.

This ties in to one of Rollo's common statements (paraphrasing) that men are never really given a good definition of what masculinity is, or if they are, they are certainly never given it in a positive light. Think of the word "Testosterone" and I would like you to post as many positive statements as you can which are associated with that word AND are used in any level by the media. Now do the reverse and find the negative statements.

Now I realize that this point it may appear I have deviated from the main topic, but the two really are heavily interconnected. For men to realize their actual potential as a DJ and as a masculine role-model they need to learn that no matter how "Nice" they think they are, if they act in any level on their natural dominant masculine role, they will almost certainly not be considered "Nice". Especially if they keep that frame and women are not able to chip away at it over the course of time as they often feel is their right. Nice guys don't need to be "broken" like a horse.....only dominant masculine men need that treatment.

Either it fails and you become an "absolute a$$hole", or the women will submit as is proper for their natural role and start to accept your PERMANENT leadership. The first type of women are obviously poor choices for any kind of relationship with, and they are a very common occurrence (at least in the US). The second are the one's who will be more willing to embrace their femininity and truly consider you a "Nice Guy".

I would define *nice* as changing who you are for the girl. Having no sense-of-self.

*Nice* = AFC

If you are a man who is unwilling to cheat on his girl - how does that make you any less of a man? It would make you MORE of a man since you exhibit self-control - one of the hallmarks of masculinity.

The idea that morality = weakness is a joke.

Ok - now assume for the sake of discussion that a man is a DJ. If he cheats on his wife, do you think his wife will be less attracted to him? Of course, because she no longer respects him.

If a girl cannot respect you, she will never love you. So good morals does affect a girl's attraction towards you.


Now - I agree if you are talking about casual flings or one night stands and NOT serious relationships, whether you are a moral man or not is usually irrelevant since those short-relationships are all about being in the moment and yielding to the lust.

Closet nerd/keyboard jockies love to create a theory fantasy world as a coping mechanism to soothe their beta anxiety. "Women love criminals not because they are typically hyper masculine, but because of their 'high moral character, just like me!'" LMFAO "Super hot chicks love Tim Tebow the all star jock because he is a boy scout virgin." LMFAO

You have a reading comprehension problem.

 

[slaog]

Show them who is boss and treat them like little girls.

What is being left out of the discussion here, and is so often left out on this forum, is personality. A nice girl will want the type of characteristics you describe. Whereas a woman with no morals, or loose morals, is not going to be so concerned about them, and will seek out a partner who is more compatible with her bad behavior lifestyle. This has been my observation at least.

Women still want some excitement in their life, and want a man who is masculine (or at least not wimpy). But two people have to have a similar view of morality if they are going to stay together for any length of time. That's called compatibility.

Those of you who are only seeking the next hoe at the bar are the ones who end up complaining that there are no decent women out there.

Indeed.


Like attracts like, birds of a feather flock togethar etc. People end up with a partner who have traits that they value the most. Its the same reason people from the same backgrounds are more likely to become friends etc... they have more in common.


Show them who is boss and treat them like little girls. Morality depends on what value the person puts on it. You can be sexually attracted to somebody but it doesn't mean a long term relationship with them would be suitable. Since morality depends on how somebody values it and since people posting here value it differently, people won't agree with its importance.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Yeah, really, shouldn't you be passed out on the mattress in the back of your van in Chicago outside of some Starbucks you're stealing wi-fi from about now anyway?

The truth is out at last!

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

 

[guru1000]

Most criminals do what they do because they are too stupid or otherwise mentally compromised (read CRAZY) to make it without taking from others things they cannot earn for themselves.

This is a naive statement.

And what do you do when the law conflicts with your personal code? What is higher in your hierarchy of rules , your code or the law?

Black and White issues are not what we are discussing.

Your child suffers from a severe illness that is not covered by health insurance. Your only option is to pay out of pocket. At this time, the government has subpoenaed your business requesting for all REPORTED assets to be held in escrow until they are able to finish their investigation. Do you disclose the monies that are needed for your son's treatment?

The true strength of your code is what you are WILLING to sacrifice to uphold your rules.

But I digress. I guess people like Martha Stewart, Michael Milken and yes myself "are too stupid or otherwise mentally compromised (read CRAZY) to make it without taking from others things they cannot earn for themselves. "

 

[Julian]

Being a bad ass doesnt mean you are morally corrupt.

 

[Trader]

Being a bad ass doesnt mean you are morally corrupt.

Exactly - that's why I believe the ideal man is the one takes the dominance/masculinity of the bad boy and ADDS honor + morals

Take for example those samurai of Japan - they had codes of honor - but I don't think you would be calling them a wuss

Or those brave aristocratic men back in Europe who kept on challenging people to duels and beating them. There were rules of engagement which were followed.


Now the question which has been commonly asked is:

'But whose morality are we talking about?'

I would agree that 99% of the things out there are shades of grey. There are no clear-cut right and wrongs.

But there is that 1% that is clear-cut and these have HUGE implications on how you live your life.

For example, sexually cheating on your wife is a breach of morality (and her cheating on you is a breach as well) You have gone against your own promise to be faithful.

It's like a guy reneging on his word to his best friend.

Your child suffers from a severe illness that is not covered by health insurance. Your only option is to pay out of pocket. At this time, the government has subpoenaed your business requesting for all REPORTED assets to be held in escrow until they are able to finish their investigation. Do you disclose the monies that are needed for your son's treatment?

Jesus already gave us the answer from the bible. Whose face is it on the coins you use? Caesar? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and give to God what is God's. Class dismissed.

 

[jophil28]

Exactly - that's why I believe the ideal man is the one takes the dominance/masculinity of the bad boy and ADDS honor + morals

There it is in one sentence. Trader knows.

 

[jophil28]

For example, sexually cheating on your wife is a breach of morality (and her cheating on you is a breach as well) You have gone against your own promise to be faithful.

And that is why cheating is not acceptable in marriage. You gave your word and then you broke your word, therefore your word is worthless.