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[5string]

Good post AJ.

We should have a Metrosexual Man's Forum. It would be a place where the guys could go to discuss how tight their skinny jeans should be to get just the "right" look, how much eyeliner is too much, how many buttons should you leave undone on your shirt and which man purse they should take to the club Friday night.

 

[loveshogun]

We should have a Metrosexual Man's Forum.

Bad idea. The only topic of conversation in such a forum would be how awesome Love Shogun looks, and how he's basically the male version of Helen of Troy.

SoSuave would grind to a halt to discuss the merits of my beauty, of which there are infinite nuances, because I'm the sh*t.

Man, I'm just in full-on sarcasm mode today!

 

[5string]

Bad idea. The only topic of conversation in such a forum would be how awesome Love Shogun looks, and how he's basically the male version of Helen of Troy.

SoSuave would grind to a halt to discuss the merits of my beauty, of which there are infinite nuances, because I'm the sh*t.

Man, I'm just in full-on sarcasm mode today!

shogun, or should I call you Helen?

You have been on fire! Even gave you rep today! Keep em comin brother. More humor and sarcasm are needed on here.

Thanks for making me laugh. :crackup:

 

[Bumsniff]

If some poster feels like posting his pictures for advice or opinions it's no big deal. HOWEVER hopefully this site doesn't wind up turning into a "Rate my package" forum.

 

[ArcBound]

AJ makes a ood point. What is the purpose of posting pictures on a website when you can go out to the gym and change what you don't like about yourself directly...

To me its no different than ugly woman posting pictures on Facebook asking how they look and 5 million of their girlfriends say "you look so sexaayyyyyy" "you look SO cute" "I'd hit it". Basically looking for validation from other guys to tell them they look handsome or alright lol.

And lastly asking GUYS how other guys look is as stupid as it can get. For many reasons.

 

[Jariel]

I find this thread really enlightening as it seems to show how little regard many of you have for your looks.

Why is it acceptable for someone to ask for advice on how to talk to women and engage their mind, yet it's not acceptable to ask advice on how to attract women physically?

A lot of guys in the H&F forum post progress pictures and get a lot of useful feedback and motivation from fellow members. This helps them to continue developing and trying to look their best. If they're doing this in order to lay more women, I really don't see how that makes them gay or effeminate.

The fact is, nobody knows how others perceive them unless they are told. This is a MAJOR issue among a lot of PUAs. They have deluded themselves into thinking they look and act awesome, when in reality they look like rejects from a Star Trek convention. Maybe if they got some constructive advice on their image, they would get some good pointers and could improve their game.

Something as simple as a centre parting or a fan fiction t-shirt could kill your chances of getting laid, but unless someone points this out, you may never know.

 

[Jariel]

This thread sums up my opinions regarding looks. It's not just about attracting women physically, but also about how you are perceived and prejudged.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=53635

 

[Vice]

How many of you guys actually GO OUT and do approaches? Or do some of you go to the mall once a month, chode out, and complain that "looks matter"?

If you don't like your circumstances, CHANGE THEM. Change your appearance. Change your body. Change your beliefs. Move out of buttf*ck nowhere.

You want results? You need to TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. Whining about your circumstances on here is a waste of everyone's time. I'd rather read a journal on how someone has realized his circumstances suck and what he's doing to get over them, rather than "waaaahh I don't look like what society says i should waaaaah".

 

[Vice]

I find this to be a beginners forum if anything. Questions such as 'do looks matter, should I call/txt her, got rejected, noob noob noob' tend to highlight this place.

Sites that are even more beginner have anything to do with chicks giving advice to guys, and vice versa... ala... enotalone.com

The advanced forums tend to deal with quality issues such as self-actualization, ego issues, doing 30 day challenges, railing 2-3 girls a week... all with respect to pickup. :rockon:

Yeah, it looks like I might have to move on to the RSD forums, or maybe the forums in your quote...

 

[Vice]

RSD is where it's at.

I took a break from this place, only to return to it simply to keep up on the journal.

Very interesting to see the noob questions in this place from a more advanced level. :yes:

I'll occasionally ask noob questions on RSD, but for the most part it's to just confirm things that I heard on program and saw in the field

 

[Naughty Ninja]

RSD is where it's at.

I took a break from this place, only to return to it simply to keep up on the journal.

Very interesting to see the noob questions in this place from a more advanced level. :yes:

It's even more interesting and mind blowing to see normal people hook up, date, become exclusive, and get married without ever visiting so suave, or any PUA etc. site period.

It's a phenomenon that can't be explained.

 

[FairShake]

Virtually every dude on here rails against people looking beta and dressing funny. Then they complain about people worrying about their looks.

Guess what, looks matter. Looks can be improved for most people though. And THAT'S why putting a pic up and having guys comment on it is worthwhile. If you are going to sh!t on people for looking nerdy or beta then build some of them back up afterwards.

But...you appearance guys should be asking female friends what to do.

 

[f283000]

hy is it acceptable for someone to ask for advice on how to talk to women and engage their mind, yet it's not acceptable to ask advice on how to attract women physically?

A lot of guys in the H&F forum post progress pictures and get a lot of useful feedback and motivation from fellow members. This helps them to continue developing and trying to look their best. If they're doing this in order to lay more women, I really don't see how that makes them gay or effeminate.

True we are here to help. I just have a feeling that the guys that post their pics looking for advice are doing very little if any work on their inner game or reading the material in the forum.

They are looking for a quick "fix it" to their problem thinking that just changing their looks is going to help them get women. Frankly if they were into the DJB and just reading the forums to absorb the information the probably wouldn't be worrying about asking guys for advice on how they look.

 

[Mike32ct]

I'm with Jariel on this one. I don't think there is anything wrong with getting some feedback on your pictures. You absolutely SHOULD do everything you reasonably can to optimize your look.

While getting advice from other MEN is NOT IDEAL, what else are you going to do? Trying to get advice like that from women is like pulling teeth.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did any of the females on here respond to the last few "review my pics" threads? I don't recall seeing any feedback from females. Only GUYS stepped in to help and offer some feedback.

As far as whether "game" is real, that's a tough one. I'm mostly with Zekko that it's about not F-ing up the opportunities that you have. I mean BB and the OP do have a good point, but you STILL need to meet some minimum looks standards to pull it off. Game is powerful, but not magic. If you're REALLY unattractive to her, she can shut you down HARD and not give you a chance to game her.

I believe that "game" is a SUPPLEMENT to your looks, but not a replacement.

 

[Jaylan]

Everyone has some insecurities OP. Quit the macho routine and grow up.

Lets be real...we all know looks matter a lot when it comes to dating...so Im not gonna harp on someone if they feel down and need a little pick me up.

Good post AJ.

We should have a Metrosexual Man's Forum. It would be a place where the guys could go to discuss how tight their skinny jeans should be to get just the "right" look, how much eyeliner is too much, how many buttons should you leave undone on your shirt and which man purse they should take to the club Friday night.

Ironic how AJ says we should stop judging other men, and you go right ahead a do so lolz.

Metro dudes get laid though...so it is what it is.

I find this thread really enlightening as it seems to show how little regard many of you have for your looks.

Why is it acceptable for someone to ask for advice on how to talk to women and engage their mind, yet it's not acceptable to ask advice on how to attract women physically?

A lot of guys in the H&F forum post progress pictures and get a lot of useful feedback and motivation from fellow members. This helps them to continue developing and trying to look their best. If they're doing this in order to lay more women, I really don't see how that makes them gay or effeminate.

The fact is, nobody knows how others perceive them unless they are told. This is a MAJOR issue among a lot of PUAs. They have deluded themselves into thinking they look and act awesome, when in reality they look like rejects from a Star Trek convention. Maybe if they got some constructive advice on their image, they would get some good pointers and could improve their game.

Something as simple as a centre parting or a fan fiction t-shirt could kill your chances of getting laid, but unless someone points this out, you may never know.

This.

 

[backbreaker]

what the OP is saying is that you are not looking for advice as much as you are looking for reassurances. The fact of the matter is, if you were satisfied with your looks, you would not try to get advice from other guys so obviously you aren't happy and at the end of the ya that is all that matters, fi you aren't happy change it.

there is no style forum here, which I could get that. like, if you just don't know how to dress, that's one thing, and there are other (better) forums on the net for that type of stuff. b ut just saying "rate me" that comes off as very self seeking behavior. if you want to learn how to properly dress yourself head over to styleforum.net. this is not the place. lol i don't even know if i would want the advice of guys here.

to take it even a step further, we aren't women. I can telluo that you are good looking all day long but if you do not honestly BELIEVE you are good looking, not a damn thing is going to change. i can tell you that you are okay looking but if you do not believe it yourself, you will still freeze up when you see that hottie with the fvck me pumps on walking around the corner, because it's self concious. you will come back to you and say "I'm not good looking enough to talk to her" utnil you are satisfied you look the best that you can look. my mom, my family told me i was handsome until they were blue in the fact but I did not feel "hot" utnil I took maters in my own hand and got serious about the gym and developed my own since of style. now i know beyond a shadow of a doubt i am good looking. women know it too

some of you guys need to seriously read rollo's blog. he had a damn good post about this what, 2 days ago. it's silly, because it's the thing you can change pretty quickly if you are serious about it.

The fact is, nobody knows how others perceive them unless they are told.

see.. that right there.. that one sentence, is why you are an AFC. I seriously, do not give a **** what anyone thinks about how I look because I know I look good. and not in a momma tells me i look good my entire life way, in a I put in the work in the gym and have a very strict diet way and I know that when I walk in a room i am usually in better shape and usually the best dressed man than any other man in the room and I do look like momma who is pretty lol way. If a woman rejects me, she has different taste than what I am. but i never for a second doubt that I am handsome/attractive. plus I get enough attention fro the opposite sex to know what your worth is. if you are not getting unsolicited attention form the opposite sex, welp theres your answer. get to work. if cute women aren't trying to befriend you, if girls don't stare at you every once in a while and smile, women do not see you as stand out attractive. and enough of that happens to me that I know that women think i very good looking. so if ONE girl rejects me, than that's not my problem. I know I am attractive becuase women gravitate towards me in some way. they want me to talk to them. I took my son to burger king about a month ago and the teenager cashier when I tried to pay told me not to worry about it with a smile. does **** like that happen to you? if it does not, than you are not hot. about 6 months ago I was in barnes and noble reading a book and a woman came up to ME and asked me what I was reading and just sat herself dfown and started talking to me. does **** like that happen to you? If it does not you are not hot. get to work. a while back a few motnhs ago, late last year before thanksgiving, i walked into the gym and the girl behind the counter told me that there were some girls there the onther day who asked her was I single or not. even worse she told them yes, she to them yes, and she told me that even if i wasn't single she would have lied beucase "she was first in line".. and she's HOT, even worse I know for a fact she has a BF. lol if I am ever single again her boyfriend is got. she's as good as done. . If **** does not happen to you,l you are not attractive or at least hot. more than once in the last 3 years a woman has come up to me in a restaurant while i'm with my wife and asked me was this my GF... I mean i can see why she's white and i'm black but still. i picked up my clothe from the cleaners one day and i had my wifes with it and the girl getting my clothes together said "don't hurt my feelings and tell me these are your GF's clothes"..I promise you that when women think you are hot you will know.

it's the same way women know they are hot. enough men give them attention to where they don't have to ask.

I don't say that to be ****y but.. it's a silly ass question. you fvcking know if women think you are hot or not. if you don't know, then you aren't. what makes it even silliar is that. as rollo said.. why would you not want to be the total package? what if you are "cute' or handsome.. hell i never was ugly, i was rather handsome.. handsome wasn't cutting it for me lol. dammit i wanted to be the guy that when I walk in a room women double take. we went to a pool party last summer and my wife asked me to put on a Tee shirt because the women kept commenting on my chest/stomach and she didn't like it. so even if you are handsome, unless you are to the point where women are making it known they want you to talk to them, you have work to do. and it's usually work in the gym and the kitchen.

I don't know if it's still like this, but i have been here for 9 years and 11 months now. almost a decade. when i first got here, like the people in the health forum were like gremlins. you never saw them unless you went into health and fitness section. lI asked one of them one day why they never posted on ther est of the forum and the dude said "why?" I don't have any use for it. that told me what i needed to know right there. ike half the peole there with like 2 and 3 thousand post i had never heard of. there is a reason for that. being in tip top shape makes the game 1000x easier. it puts you on the offensive as far as the game is concerned. why settle for being one of three handsome guys when you can be the guy that she is getting wet thinking about you wh ile talking to her friends in comparision to the other guys.


and you need that confidence when dealing with women. THAT is what women find sexy. it's a 2 pronged attack so to speak. to know you are good looking and to know you are in demand makes the gina tingle.

being "hot" is like being rich. if you have to ask, you aren't.

 

[Jariel]

I totally disagree Backbreaker. It's not about asking "am I hot?" it's about getting some pointers on how to make the most of yourself.

There are a lot of guys and girls out there (I used to be one of them) who think because they're not getting attention they must be genetically ugly when it's not true. If they dropped some weight, changed their hair and fashion sense, they'd start getting that attention and realise their genes aren't to blame.

Besides, not all women are so overt when paying attention. I get women approach me from time to time, but I often discover that many of the women who are really into me are the ones who are most cold. A lot of girls think because I look good I must be a player or full of myself and their b1tch shield goes up.

see.. that right there.. that one sentence, is why you are an AFC. I seriously, do not give a **** what anyone thinks about how I look because I know I look good.

That sounds like typical PUA affirmations and macho talk, but some of the scummiest, ugliest and most primitive losers in the world think exactly the same way.

Yeah, of course I care what people think of me and I am not afraid to admit that. If I'm going for a job interview I dress in my suit and tie, because I know that adapting my look to suit other people will get me further. When I go on a date, I go the extra distance grooming and dressing well because I want her to see me at my best. That doesn't make me insecure. That's just adapting to social situations. And by doing that I go a lot further in life and get more from other people.

I spent most of my youth not giving a fvck what people thought of me. I was a scruffy and overweight rock geek. I was happy and confident enough and was more interested in computer games and movies than women. I used to do many spontaneous things too just because I felt like it. Yet people looked down their nose at me, I never got laid, I found it difficult to make friends and society just made life harder for me.

Then when I improve my look and changed my image to something more socially acceptable, everything changed. I started getting discounts in stores, girls would write my notes for me, I couldn't put a foot wrong in interviews, I started getting laid and I found myself one of the most popular guys at uni. Life just got so much better all because I started to care how people perceived me and made the effort to adapt.

It's different for you because it sounds like you're a good looking guy who has a decent image, but there are a lot of guys who are way off track and don't know how to get to that point where women find them hot.

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

Great post Backbreaker. A lot of that same stuff happens to me too. Only gotten better since I been hittin the weight room.

Let me break it down to you folks though. Looks do matter to an extent. Of course. You can't say that it didn't matter at all. However, you can fully compensate with that lack of looks with good game. Good game to me is the ability is to turn any situation in life in your favor regardless of the circumstances. I've always been told that I'm very attractive but that didn't mean nothing. In high school I didn't get any play because I didn't know what to do. Girls would like me but I was oblivious on what to do. My game was still weak when I first got to college and I was one of the biggest simps in the world. I got my game up and I'm seeing a big difference in my life.

I don't post my pictures anywhere. You know if your good looking or not. You are not blind. You might not be good looking but what can you do about that but get plastic surgery? Go ahead and waste your money on that which shows insecurity or you can just get your game (confidence x intelligence) up. (People who have plastic surgery look weird anyway, I wouldn't recommend that). If you have bumps or some **** go ahead and go to a dermatologist. I used to have bumps on the back of my neck from the razor line. I immediately went to the dermatologist and got a cleansor to get rid of that ****.

I know girls like to be in the presence of a man though. Your presence says alot about you. Whether your ugly or not your presence can definately attract a girl.

Also what you wear has a factor on girls perception of you too. A guy who dresses clean is definately going to get more looks then a brother who has the t shirt on and baggy pants. This should be common sence guys. Keep this in mind.

I'm not trying to call anyone out but you guys really sound moist when your sitting here telling a other guy he looks normal and if you were a girl you would be on him. Guys post their pictures for reassurance on a male forum. It is very attention seeking and is something that I would expect from girls. I guess you can attribute this to society becoming more feminised (I'll touch up on this in a different thread).

Just about every time I am in Atlanta I see an ugly dude with a badd a** girl. I can gurantee you that he's not asking other dudes how he looks though. I bet he had to learn that his mouthpiece had to be more crisp then the next dude if he wanted to get the broad. If your mouthpiece is right the sky is the limit no matter what you look like. Me personally, I don't want to to live off my good looks because it will only get me so far. I want to be able to go to the same girl that celebrities be jocking too and spit some game to her and have her choosing me over those millionaires. But that's just something I want to do. I'm going to elevate my game and not just to get woman but so I can be successfull in life. But for you guys you need to stop being so self consious. Your acting like woman. You know what needs to be done. Your just lazy and making excuses.

 

[Jariel]

My game was still weak when I first got to college and I was one of the biggest simps in the world. I got my game up and I'm seeing a big difference in my life.

But it's not one or the other. Guys should be making the best of themselves physically and mentally.

I'm not trying to call anyone out but you guys really sound moist when your sitting here telling a other guy he looks normal and if you were a girl you would be on him. Guys post their pictures for reassurance on a male forum.

I do agree on this and the whole reassurance thing. If that's all these guys are looking for, then they have a long way to go and it really doesn't help when people reply that they're all fine and start giving generic compliments. But if they're genuinely seeking some constructive criticism and we are able to offer that, I think that's a good thing.

The greatest achievements and turning points in my life have been down to some form of criticism. Compliments and reassurance are great, but they have never motivated me to push myself.

 

[zekko]

game is the ability to talk to a woman and get her to do what you want, to make a woman wet. there is definatly a such thing as game and most men here have none.

game is the ability to get a woman who really wasn't looking at you by the end of the conversation to give you her number and have her waiting by the phone for you to call her.

I agree with your definition of game, but I was speaking of how it is defined here. As it is taught here, game seems to be mainly about not screwing up. Don't be needy, don't be desperate, don't be overeager, don't call her too much, don't text her too much, don't make all these AFC mistakes. There is very little taught here on how to actually vibe and connect with a girl. This is probably because this is very difficult to teach, you have to go out and get experience to learn this.

And I could be wrong, but I doubt that your dad gets all those women by tossing negs at them.

As for taking your opportunities, that's about the first thing they teach you here. The three second rule, regret is worse than rejection, etc.