Modern Polygamy is the death of civilisation

[The Duke]

With that said, I don't think a lack of fathers is the only factor in the increase in male sexlessness. There are plenty of sexless Millennial and Gen Z males that had a father present in their home lives, either as an active divorced dad or as a married dad. Boomer men that managed to stay married to Boomer women couldn't even prepare their sons for the sexual marketplace that Millennial men have faced since the early 2000s.

@SW15

YES! I got divorced in 2008(early 30's) and up until then that was the only woman I had been with. What I learned from growing up in a solid family with both parents support was nowhere near enough. I had so much to learn. I had no idea how to play the game.

My desire to not give up, seek success, and improve developed because of what my Boomer dad ingrained in me. He helped construct my foundation. Had that not been in place I think I would have struggled and given up.

Those first few years after my divorce I dated some low quality girls(HB 6-7's that had issues, broke, drama, etc.) It was all I could get because I didn't have the knowledge of what Sosuave teaches and the stuff my boomer dad taught wasn't enough for the modern dating world. It took 5yrs of dating and applying what I learned on SoSuave before I finally felt like I was dating my equal and not dating down.

 

[The Duke]

Because the quality of women has gone down.

My mom is in her 70's. She laughs at todays woman and says "They have sehx with any guy that turns them on, can't cook, too busy on social media, and don't know their role. She can't understand what a man would want from one.

I tell her thats why I won't marry one again. The majority don't bring much to the table other than good times and if you are a guy that isn't driven by a high sehx drive then whats the point.

 

[jaymbrs]

My mom is in her 70's. She laughs at todays woman and says "They have sehx with any guy that turns them on, can't cook, too busy on social media, and don't know their role. She can't understand what a man would want from one.

I tell her thats why I won't marry one again. The majority don't bring much to the table other than good times and if you are a guy that isn't driven by a high sehx drive then whats the point.

I had to educate my mom on today's women and why me and my 2 uncles are unmarried even though we have our lives in order.

 

[SW15]

YES! I got divorced in 2008(early 30's) and up until then that was the only woman I had been with. What I learned from growing up in a solid family with both parents support was nowhere near enough. I had so much to learn. I had no idea how to play the game.

My desire to not give up, seek success, and improve developed because of what my Boomer dad ingrained in me. He helped construct my foundation. Had that not been in place I think I would have struggled and given up.

Those first few years after my divorce I dated some low quality girls(HB 6-7's that had issues, broke, drama, etc.) It was all I could get because I didn't have the knowledge of what Sosuave teaches and the stuff my boomer dad taught wasn't enough for the modern dating world. It took 5yrs of dating and applying what I learned on SoSuave before I finally felt like I was dating my equal and not dating down.

The sexual marketplace that the Boomers had when they came of age (typically 1960s-1970s) isn't relevant in any way anymore. Even the one that existed when early Gen X came of age (1980s), isn't relevant anymore.

A lot of men have been giving up on sex and relationships. Those are the MGTOWs. The ranks of MGTOWs have been growing for the last decade or so. You said yourself that you could imagine a reality where a man gives up in the sexual marketplace. The current marketplace is ridiculously tough for a lot of men, regardless of their support from fathers/grandfathers/uncles.

Your Boomer dad was likely a product of his era, an era that isn't relevant anymore as I stated above. It wasn't his fault at all, he didn't have the tools to teach you how to navigate the 2000-present sexual marketplace. I had this exact conversation with my uncle I mentioned earlier in this thread. My uncle has observed both of his sons getting divorced and it didn't sit well with him. Nothing was his fault either. The biggest problem is that my uncle set an unrealistic example for my cousins, based upon a sexual marketplace that no longer exists. Your dad likely set a similar example for you earlier in life. Without an active father in my life and a long distance uncle, I had to figure out this stuff on my own, by finding Manosphere content from Roosh, Chateau Heartiste, and Rollo Tomassi. In addition, in the early to mid 2000s, I had read Doc Love and David DeAngelo.

You have every right to be proud of yourself for what you've done since your 2008 divorce.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I wonder if there is any connection between men coming from broken families and them being unwilling to consider marriage or serious long term relationships with cohabitation.

Anyway a man with medium to low sex drive in my opinion has no reason to.

 

[bat soup]

It's over for the Burkina-Faso cels.

 

[eli77]

Yeah but with that I think they'll be a decline in marriage. Don't you think?