Mixed Signals Pt. 2

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In a nut shell:

Hello everyone,

Second time poster, my best friend is an avid member and poster on here and said this forum helped him out with a lot.

Background:

I'm a 23 year old male, just finished college up. I was really involved academically and in lots of clubs and stuff, but never really spent too much time with women other than being friends/best friends. Zero relationship experience my entire life. No casual hook ups or anything either. Still waiting on that first kiss too.

A few months ago, on June 1, I posted on my college's facebook page some tips about succeeding at that particular school. This cute girl “liked” my post and we started messaging, and we really hit it off. She's 19. For the first 2 weeks we just texted 24/7, over 4000 messages, and super lovey/dovey and gooey. She appeared to be all over me, more-so than any girl I've ever met. She asked me out on a date too, which was my first ever, pretty fun we just hung out and walked around holding hands (first time ever doing it, probably had sweaty palms, I was sweating bullets that day!!!) nothing spectacular. After the date, we carried on texting and stuff, things going great. I in fact asked her out again roughly maybe 4 days after our first date? She said she was busy, so I was cool. Later the next week, I asked her out again, she was still busy. Then, about 2 weeks after that date, out of nowhere, she kinda stopped talking to me, we'd maybe text 1-4 times per day, compared to the 400-500 we used to do. I kinda got ticked at her and texted her accusing her of dating other guys and not wanting to see me, she got pissed. The reason I was so infuriated at the time was she made me promise “not to see any other women.” I apologized, we carry on, but hardly texting/communicating at all. Hadn’t seen her since our first date in the beginning of June. Fast forward to August 1, we start talking again, but like casually and rarely. I asked her how she felt about me, and I told her I had feelings for her. She told me she doesn’t and never wanted a relationship, and that she had never been in a relationship. I was even more confused at this point cause we went on a date and really clicked at the beginning of it all, and our intimate messages really seemed like she wanted a relationship/or that a relationship would be possible some day. As sad as I was, I had gotten closure, and I was, to be honest, ok with this. She told me “its not you” kind of thing as well; she said she had family responsibilities and that really eats up all her time and that she started working full time. She said her family responsibilities really started up in July, so that’s why she was so “busy” compared to when we first met.”

I’m ok with the thought of being friends with her, but at the end of August, she starts calling and texting me again. I feel like she's coming back onto me, and she gets really into texting me when I shoot her a simple "hey." She actually called me up after I just sent her a text to just talk, like we used to when we first met. I kept myself in line, not to get excited or anything. But we start talking a lot on the phone and texting, so I got a little confused.

Question 1: Is she back into me…?

We actually set up a date, or rather “hang out” was the words I used at the end of September. We’d been talking so much lately, I thought it’d be fun and she was super excited when I asked her to hang out.

Date #2
Confusing. We meet up, and we get coffee. She wasn’t really too engaged in the conversation, and I really tried to give her great openings to talk and respond. Instead she was just one-word responding. But whatever, the first half of the date sucked. Second half was really confusing for me. As we leave dunkin, I’m walking her to the bus stop, and I try to hold her hand. She literally swats my hand down and says “no I’m mad at you” and giggles at it, and for the hell of it I keep trying to grab her hand – she keeps saying “shes mad” and “not yet.” A lot of my friends who are women all told me this was her unbelievably awkward way of flirting with me. We even joked about that a few times on text. I think she kept saying "she's mad" because I kept texting her that on Saturday (about a joke she mad and I 'pretend' got angry)

Date #3
I was kind of in the area and bumped into her (so not really a date). She’s talking ot all her friends I’m with mine. Randomly, as she’s leaving she comes up to me and asks me to walk her to the bus stop, and I say yes. I go for a hand grab (as a joke) she shoots it down again, but then grabs my arm and we walk to the bus stop together. As we’re saying goodbye, I give her a long hug, and then a kiss on the cheek.
I followed up by asking her to hang out this past week, she said she’s busy and couldn’t make it. Lately its been me also trying to talk and text with her, It’s a lot more one-sided.

Question 2: Now what? Has she lost interest in me or something?

Her bday is coming up and I got her a present…my plan is to give it to her and then see where things go.

Question 3: Should I stop trying to grab her hand? (I don’t want to come off as some touchy pervert or some jerk who makes her feel uncomfortable)

Question 4: Should I try to kiss her when I give her the present?
 

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I dont have much time to give you a detailed explanation, but:

1. you're doing everything wrong, everything. You're acting as if you were 12.
2 she's 19 and now, she's dozens of light years ahead of you in dating/relationships/sex.
She's probably been fvcked in every possible way... whereas you're trying to hold her hand. lmao.
3. SHE KEEPS TALKING TO YOU CAUSE SHE'S BORED, SHE LIKES YOUR ATTENTION, and this is
whay girls do with naive/beta boys like you.

Want a tip? she's a lost cause (for you). Stop talking to her inmediately, forever.
Spend your time trying to get experience with other girls and learn about Game.

-- Sight...
 

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Ah bro you've been friendzoned hard. Your mistake was not going in for the kill to start off with. Honestly I'd take a valuable lesson learned and move on: never postpone the kill. If the date goes well you make the move. Enough of this bf behaviour. Need to act as if you just wanted the punani. Take her on a date and be aloof. If she comes onto you then kill it.
 

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I agree with the other posters. You need to move on she is a lost cause. Don't waste anymore time on her. Read the DJ bible. Get in shape. Acquire game. Only give women attention that are interested in you. But you have to do it the correct way.
 

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Omg...my head hurts reading that. You need to read the DJ Bible from front to back and then re read it again.

Texting all day is for women and their female friends. Not guys. She has completely lost interest in you. She has you wound around her little pinky after one date, which is really pathetic. Completely not a challenge for her.

Read the DJ Bible and don't make these mistakes next time
 

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Thanks @pyros @parkthebus @dustmuffin

I'm afraid I'm just too invested in her at this point, and I'm not planning on quitting until I see this threw until the end.

Is there any advice you guys can give me knowing this^ (I'm not gonna quit on this) I've invested way too much time, effort, and thought on her.

A few other girls I know told me "she's undecided rn and really isn't sure what she wants" but I'm not directly friendzoned yet.

What could I do now then?

Thanks for all the awesome feedback - I'm pretty sure I think I know how things between me and her will end, but I just want/need closure at this point.
 

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You need to take her on an awesome date and try to make love to the girl. Simps. If she rejects you then you wait until she contacts you again which will mean she is ready to receive the D.
 

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I should clarify I legit wanted to date her and stuff, maybe even boyfriend/girlfriend, not really give her the D immediately lmao @parkthebus
 

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Also, stop over thinking things. Youre clearly **** scared of being rejected. We've all been there. Either bang her or get rejected trying. You know its what you need to do but you're not yet willing to put your ego on the line. Get knocked down and then jump straight back onto the vaginal wagon.
 

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gonna tattoo that. Possibly the best advice I've heard in awhile. You're saying to go for the kiss when I see her next?
 

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gonna tattoo that. Possibly the best advice I've heard in awhile. You're saying to go for the kiss when I see her next?
Yes, if the date goes well. Don't come across to keen. Act friendly at first and then slowly escelate as the date goes on so it seems natural and not needy. If she won't play ball, wait a couple weeks before contacting her and arrange another date. Repeat the last date until she shows she has absolutely no romantic interest or until you give her the D.
 

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Just the fact that you post a thread named "mixed signals" is a blatant tell of how deep in her game you are. That term is used when you don't know better than being manipulated by some girl.

Thanks @pyros @parkthebus @dustmuffin

I'm afraid I'm just too invested in her at this point, and I'm not planning on quitting until I see this threw until the end.

Is there any advice you guys can give me knowing this^ (I'm not gonna quit on this) I've invested way too much time, effort, and thought on her.

A few other girls I know told me "she's undecided rn and really isn't sure what she wants" but I'm not directly friendzoned yet.

What could I do now then?

Thanks for all the awesome feedback - I'm pretty sure I think I know how things between me and her will end, but I just want/need closure at this point.
You are invested in her, she is not invested in you. This kind of "I've invested too much" thinking is by the way a common fallacy used by people when they lose something - they have to keep playing or trying to save something, because they've sacrificed too much to not win. Unfortunately all that's gonna happen is you lose everything instead of some, but considering what you say in this post, that's most likely what you need to do. How exactly are you planning for this to "end" when it's never begun for her in the first place? you're waiting for a rainstorm to end in the desert.

Yes I have some advice for you. Keep doing what you're doing now - I'm serious - and come back a few weeks or months later, because you're not going to listen to anything we say. You think you know best and are too deep in the tunnel to see the light. Currently, you are delusional. But if you try to think about what's going on while you keep doing what you're doing, eventually you should be more receptive to advice which is why I advised you as I did above.

She has already given you closure. You, like many blue pill men, just don't want to see or accept the form it comes in.
 
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Just move on. Do you want to be hurt more? She isn't the only woman around. You are setting yourself up for a big fall. Your situation isn't special. It has an icecubes chance in hell of turning out well. Cut your loses. Save yourself some mental aunguish and move on. You won't salvage this. You will wind up looking like a needy ass.
 

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Just the fact that you post a thread named "mixed signals" is a blatant tell of how deep in her game you are. That term is used when you don't know better than being manipulated by some girl.



You are invested in her, she is not invested in you. This kind of "I've invested too much" thinking is by the way a common fallacy used by people when they lose something - they have to keep playing or trying to save something, because they've sacrificed too much to not win. Unfortunately all that's gonna happen is you lose everything instead of some, but considering what you say in this post, that's most likely what you need to do. How exactly are you planning for this to "end" when it's never begun for her in the first place? you're waiting for a rainstorm to end in the desert.

Yes I have some advice for you. Keep doing what you're doing now - I'm serious - and come back a few weeks or months later, because you're not going to listen to anything we say. You think you know best and are too deep in the tunnel to see the light. Currently, you are delusional. But if you try to think about what's going on while you keep doing what you're doing, eventually you should be more receptive to advice which is why I advised you as I did above.

She has already given you closure. You, like many blue pill men, just don't want to see or accept the form it comes in.
I appreciate the honesty and stuff in your post. I re-read it about 3 times, close the page, thought about it, and re-read it. I hate to say it, but I do agree with a lot of what you've said. I'm going to post an update comment below for you and everyone else (only in a separate post cause sometimes people don't read every single post from each messager on a forum...or at least I don't lol)
 

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For simplicity purposes let's call her Chrissy.

Yes Chrissy is annoying and crazy.

But one thought that's been lingering in my head was in August 1, when she did reject me, why did she start not only texting but calling me on the phone in September 1? That thought made me think her "family issues" were over and she was sincerely trying to pick up where we left off. Afterall, I personally believe everyone deserves a second chance.

About Chrissy: Chrissy told me she's never ever been in a relationship with a guy or committed, so is it possible that maybe she's as novice as I am hence her acting really childish throughout all of this?
 

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I appreciate the honesty and stuff in your post. I re-read it about 3 times, close the page, thought about it, and re-read it. I hate to say it, but I do agree with a lot of what you've said. I'm going to post an update comment below for you and everyone else (only in a separate post cause sometimes people don't read every single post from each messager on a forum...or at least I don't lol)
That you read my post and understood my honesty is to help you and not to attack you shows that somewhere within you you are already learning. I re-affirm what I said and hope she crushes you as hard as she can ASAP so you come to the light sooner.
 

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That you read my post and understood my honesty is to help you and not to attack you shows that somewhere within you you are already learning. I re-affirm what I said and hope she crushes you as hard as she can ASAP so you come to the light sooner.
Sometimes a lesson learned hard is a lesson learned well.

While I can't say I hope for the same outcome you want, I do certainly plan on learning in general.

I've come a long way since June when we first met (my friends in real life have commended me for that) !
 

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IF SHE WAS INTO YOU YOU WOULD BE BANGING/DATING HER ALREADY.

When you get mixed signals, or you think a woman is playing hard to get... it always means SHE IS NOT INTO YOU BUT LIKES TO STRING YOU ALONG AND TOY WITH YOU.
When you get mixed signals, or you think a woman is playing hard to get... it always means SHE IS NOT INTO YOU BUT LIKES TO STRING YOU ALONG AND TOY WITH YOU.
When you get mixed signals, or you think a woman is playing hard to get... it always means SHE IS NOT INTO YOU BUT LIKES TO STRING YOU ALONG AND TOY WITH YOU.


Why? because she feels better about herself knowing there are guys who like her.
When a girl likes you and wants to be with you, she is with you. She doesnt complain, she's not busy, she wants you to touch her, kiss her, she wants to spend time with you, etc. It's pretty simple.

Anyway, you'll learn the hard way it seems.

No more tips for you.
 

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Sometimes a lesson learned hard is a lesson learned well.

While I can't say I hope for the same outcome you want, I do certainly plan on learning in general.

I've come a long way since June when we first met (my friends in real life have commended me for that) !
Here is the outcome that's bound to happen:

-she keeps stringing you along until one day
-you get pissed off and get desperate and needy and call her on it
-she tells you like it is
-you get mad and never talk to her again
-she texts all her girlfriends and they laugh at how pathetic, weak and non masculine you acted

It's 100% over with this woman bro. The sooner you realize that and move on the better you will be. A women who repeatedly turns down dates and acts uninterested while on a date with you is not worth your time. Have some self respect for yourself and walk away.
 

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Here is the outcome that's bound to happen:

-she keeps stringing you along until one day
-you get pissed off and get desperate and needy and call her on it
-she tells you like it is
-you get mad and never talk to her again
-she texts all her girlfriends and they laugh at how pathetic, weak and non masculine you acted

It's 100% over with this woman bro. The sooner you realize that and move on the better you will be. A women who repeatedly turns down dates and acts uninterested while on a date with you is not worth your time. Have some self respect for yourself and walk away.
This^^ We have all experienced a stringing along like this. We learned our lesson. This will not end well. You will be laughed at. You will be the butt of jokes. Do it if you must but all it takes is one good fall. Let us know how it turns out.
 
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