Mid Life Crisis- for the older posters

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vatoloco said:
LOL! My younger friends tease me about it but, hey, I can now afford the toys I always wanted when I was a kid so of course I'm gonna get them!
Exactly! I bought a sportbike right before I turned 50. Then I started hearing the "are you having a midlife crisis"? I'd say no, I'm just at the point in life where I can afford it. No big deal. On a sidenote, I'd like to know how many of you believe "male menopause" is real?
 

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Nutz said:
A man's "mid life crisis" is his natural reaction to his mate's ending of fertility. His body reacts in a specific measurable way causing him to put on the behaviors once again to attract fertile females. This is why men who aren't with women don't go through it as they age and act the same way they always have.

Next time you hear about a guy going through one, look at his wife and I will bet you dollars to donuts she just hit her fertility's Wild E Coyote moment.
That's pretty interesting, I haven't heard that one before.

My thoughts, is this. Live your whole life like it's a mid-life crisis. This is what I do, I do whatever I want, and just don't care what other's think anymore.

I stay out of debt, because debt traps you into the system, and enjoy just being a free man!

For those stuck with a wife, kids, job they hate, huge mortgage..yeah, I can see how a 'crisis' may be a way of society shaming that man for wanting to grab life by the handle bars of harley, if one was so inclined.

For that man..I say use the 'crisis' to your advantage. Make it a BIG one. You want everyone to think you in crisis mode...haha. That's when you are doing it right. :up:
 

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Mr.Positive said:
.. I can see how a 'crisis' may be a way of society shaming that man for wanting to grab life by the handle bars of harley, if one was so inclined.
The use of the word "crisis" is interesting and I believe that MrP has nailed the reason for it's use in this context.
 

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jophil28 said:
The use of the word "crisis" is interesting and I believe that MrP has nailed the reason for it's use in this context.
Hey Jop, I get what your saying about Mr.Positive and HE is right; so I have decided to call it a mid life event instead. I am in no way ashamed about this. Years ago did you get that feeling? Not the crisis thing, but an event that you were going through?

I read somewhere online that this can last for males anywhere from 2 years to 10 years. Hard to describe the feeling as I have been in it since end part of 2006. Just seems bad right now as I struggle through hard times. The feelings are crazy and range from depression to elation what some used to term as manic depressive. Even done more gambling last few years than I ever did in my entire life.

Thank God, that I have not turned into an alcoholic or ever used an illegal drug.

When it started in 2006, man I felt on top of the world. Nowhere close to that feeling as of late though.
 

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Hey Jop, I get what your saying about Mr.Positive and HE is right; so I have decided to call it a mid life event instead. I am in no way ashamed about this. Years ago did you get that feeling? Not the crisis thing, but an event that you were going through?
Event? That's the right word. And get ready for many more to come your way..:yes:

Indeed the misuse of the word "crisis" to apply to some uncomfortable 'event' in a man's life is insulting. It suggests that his emotional experience in middle age is so overwhelming that it needs to be defined as an event of "crisis" proportions. Freakin' nonsense.
 

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jophil28 said:
Event? That's the right word. And get ready for many more to come your way..:yes:

Indeed the misuse of the word "crisis" to apply to some uncomfortable 'event' in a man's life is insulting. It suggests that his emotional experience in middle age is so overwhelming that it needs to be defined as an event of "crisis" proportions. Freakin' nonsense.
I too like "event" better. All of life is a series of events, they don't just happen in middle age. You get married - you have kids - you get divorced. All are events (some of crisis proportions). You build a career - you lose it. All major life events. You get injured, your kid gets sick, you get married and divorced again - all events.

Western society has changed for the worse when it comes to middle aged men and some strange assumptions are going on. We're supposed to act our age, whatever the hell that means. Frankly I am acting my age. I take care of my career, pay my bills, and am a great dad. So if I want to use my extra time and income to buy a sporty car, or travel, or pursue younger women that's my right. How that became indicative of a crisis, I don't know.

Now, when I can't get it up - that'll be a crisis!

Dave
 

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davewe said:
Now, when I can't get it up - that'll be a crisis!

Dave
Great post Dave, especially this quote! :D

I also agree that 'event' is a much better way of looking at life, challenges, and maturity. Event implies we can handle anything, because we're men...and that's how men should be. Head on. Crisis, implies we've gone off our rockers and can't handle life anymore, so we make irrational decisions. Pure shaming, and more men bashing BS.
 

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davewe said:
"Now, when I can't get it up - that'll be a crisis!

Dave
In that case it's time to trade her in for a younger model. Research has found that the #1 cause of ED is actually bedding down with an unattractive partner. I'm serious. There was a study on this either early this year or late last year where they took a bunch of guys who had ED and had a hot young college chick come on to them in the waiting room, which was actually the room the study's observation room. Turns out something like 70% of the men had no problem getting erections. Something to think about down the road or if you know guys suffering from this "affliction".
 

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davewe said:
I too like "event" better. All of life is a series of events, they don't just happen in middle age. You get married - you have kids - you get divorced. All are events (some of crisis proportions). You build a career - you lose it. All major life events. You get injured, your kid gets sick, you get married and divorced again - all events.

Western society has changed for the worse when it comes to middle aged men and some strange assumptions are going on. We're supposed to act our age, whatever the hell that means. Frankly I am acting my age. I take care of my career, pay my bills, and am a great dad. So if I want to use my extra time and income to buy a sporty car, or travel, or pursue younger women that's my right. How that became indicative of a crisis, I don't know.

Now, when I can't get it up - that'll be a crisis!

Dave
1) Got married-check
2) Got divorced-check
3) Lost my career and a failed business-check
4) Got injured at work and lost career because of it-check
5) Dealt with a few sorry women-Not on your list but check

What you said about not getting it up being a crisis; spot on !!!!!!!!!!
 

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I'm pretty much in the same boat as squirrels except:


"I can't seem to figure out what it is I'm supposed to be doing here, what's "important" in this world, what I've been building myself to all this life, and what, most importantly, is worth dying for, worth wasting the precious remaining 40-odd years of my life doing...or worth sacrificing those years to accomplish."

I accept that there isn't anything important. You just enjoy things moment to moment until you die. I'm not religious and there is no point to any of it. I don't step on people much unless it's really needed, i tend to mind my own business, i goof off a lot, and am serious enough about the things i need to be serious about to get by. But really, it's just about enjoyment. Then I die. I don't care about higher purposes. I'll soon be dead and those purposes will be irrelevant to me.
 

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mrRuckus said:
I accept that there isn't anything important. You just enjoy things moment to moment until you die.
So is it likely that you will look back, at age 60 or 70 , with some regret that you lived a life merely "in the moment" ? No goals, no pet projects, no long term dreams ?

Just curious.
 

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I’ll state the obvious, but from a slightly different viewpoint . As we age, hopefully, we mature. If we are conscious we begin to perceive the world the way it really is. The veils are slowly lifted. By 35 to 40 your conscious experience of the world differs. Consider that it takes all the way to age 25 for the frontal lobes of your brain to fully develop. 10 or even more years after that for THAT brain to mature, to get closer to being fully conscious of this world.

It’s no longer the same world. By 40, more and more, you are the boy that comprehends that the Emperor has No Clothes. The veils are fully lifted and you see the man behind the curtain controlling the great Wizard.

All of this occurs if you are conscious and awake. Most, even when faced with facts to the contrary, remain asleep. Some, see the reality, don’t like it, and choose the fantasy. Blue pill, red pill? A difficult choice.

If you are conscious and others are not they will perceive you as different, as no longer in sync with the rest of the world. To them, you are in a “crisis”. The reality is you really are no longer in sync with the rest of the world.

This is the way things are whether you choose to believe it or not.
 

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grinder said:
I’ll state the obvious, but from a slightly different viewpoint . As we age, hopefully, we mature. If we are conscious we begin to perceive the world the way it really is. The veils are slowly lifted. By 35 to 40 your conscious experience of the world differs. Consider that it takes all the way to age 25 for the frontal lobes of your brain to fully develop. 10 or even more years after that for THAT brain to mature, to get closer to being fully conscious of this world.

It’s no longer the same world. By 40, more and more, you are the boy that comprehends that the Emperor has No Clothes. The veils are fully lifted and you see the man behind the curtain controlling the great Wizard.

All of this occurs if you are conscious and awake. Most, even when faced with facts to the contrary, remain asleep. Some, see the reality, don’t like it, and choose the fantasy. Blue pill, red pill? A difficult choice.

If you are conscious and others are not they will perceive you as different, as no longer in sync with the rest of the world. To them, you are in a “crisis”. The reality is you really are no longer in sync with the rest of the world.

This is the way things are whether you choose to believe it or not.
Interesting...but once you're "out-of-sync" with the world, where can you find others like you?
 

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As the "young'un" among people on this thread, let me venture out with an opinion.

I think the "mid-life crisis" is a result of running out of pre-determined purpose in life, i.e. running out of things that you're "supposed" to be doing.

When you're young, the next steps of your life are typically pretty obvious and well-defined. When you're a child, you're taught to go to school and get good marks so you can go to college. So you put a lot of zeal into that kind of stuff. Then when you get to college, you focus your energy into getting to the next step...getting good marks, a degree, and getting a job in the business world. Then once you get into business and start making money, you're going for a few big promotions. Then once you get those, you're supposed to start putting your energy into finding a mate and getting married. Then getting a house. Then having kids. Then raising those kids.

The big point is...for the vast majority of people, there's no "next step". The educational challenge built toward the professional challenge, the professional challenge built toward the self-reliance challenge, the self-reliance challenge built toward the family challenge. Then you reproduce and you start to think, "what was THIS challenge building toward??"

There's really no clear answer to that question for most people. It's around that age, around the 40s, when the kids are grown up enough to not require constant supervision, that a man starts asking himself, "what is the POINT of my life??"

It's almost like some of the free-roaming video games that we grow up playing these days...after you beat the "final boss", the game kind of dumps you off back into its 'world', but without a lack of clearly defined objectives. The idea is that you can still explore all of the mini-games and continue to upgrade your character and discover new things, but since there is no clear objective you're building toward, it's all kind of "hollow".

Some people respond to this time in life with a "mid-life crisis", when they finally decide to try and do all the things they wanted to do when they were young, now that they have the financial means to do so. Thus, the sports car, the adventures, the young women.

Some people respond by finding ways to "keep busy". My folks seem to be running in an endless cycle of fixing up their house. Once one room is fixed up, they move to the next one, and the next one, and so on until they're all done...by then the first room is "worn" enough that it's time for another renovation.

Some people just settle down and rot. Almost as if the "next challenge" is preparing to die.

Some people embrace faith and religion and start looking to the afterlife as a "next challenge".

I'm going to be 31 in about a week, and I feel like I've been in something of a "mid-life crisis" since maybe 27. I know you old codgers will laugh at that, but as a result of not buying into the whole girlfriend/marriage/kids thing, I've hit the "what is this life about" crisis a little early.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still like to experience all that if I can find a woman I can really "click" with, but I've had a lot of time to think, and because I got started late in the "dating game", I didn't have the huge libido driving me to hasty decisions regarding marriage and relationships. I saw the people around me rushing into that kind of crap simply for lack of anything better to do and decided, "Nah, that's not for me. Not unless I REALLY like spending time with someone". I thought I had found "someone" a couple of times, but nothing ever came of it...they could tell I wasn't buying into it hook/line/sinker and the lack of blind commitment to "the program" bothered them.

So now that the family-path has become an optional activity, rather than a mandate, in my mind, I'm at the same kind of place in my life.

I could look at a "career move", sure. I mean, there's still upward mobility where I work, but I've been looking ahead and seeing how the people in positions above me suffer emotionally and mentally because of their jobs, all for what are really modest increases in pay. I make more than a LOT of people in life at this point and, while there's still room for advancement, the pay increases here are modest and the job satisfaction paltry for the amount of life stress you take on.

So I'm left asking myself the same question...is what's left of my life just a long period of preparation and/or time-killing until I eventually die? And if so, what was all that nonsense before-hand building to? The schooling? The job?

Some people find purpose in helping other people...I see that as the "blind leading the blind". Everyone seems to suffer from the same lack of a sense of purpose...and those who give to others seem to be only facilitating others' arrival at a lack of purpose one day, or their ability to ignore it looming over them.

I can't say the way I've responded to my so-called "crisis" is healthy...I've taken my time to watch how other people deal with it, and I find they go out of their ways to remain ignorant, or seek out a "program" created by someone else, propping up something trivial as "greater than themselves".

I've reached a point where the entire human race disgusts me...they're all morons running around doing all they can to refuse to face the question of "purpose", refuse to question their own existence or to accept that maybe their paltry achievements DON'T make them worth more than any other lifeform. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague.

And what makes me sickest of all is the unavoidable fact that I'm one of them...and that despite all of my insight and knowledge as a sentient creature on this globe, I don't have an answer either. I can't seem to figure out what it is I'm supposed to be doing here, what's "important" in this world, what I've been building myself to all this life, and what, most importantly, is worth dying for, worth wasting the precious remaining 40-odd years of my life doing...or worth sacrificing those years to accomplish.

LOL...how can I ever get married or have children?? I hate human beings...and they want me to bring MORE of them into this world?? I can't even pretend that mine would be somehow "better" than the rest, because I can't even evolve beyond the filth that is humanity MYSELF.

I need to just move to a shack in the wilderness and start mailing bombs to people. :mad:

that is really depressing man
 

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squirrels said:
Interesting...but once you're "out-of-sync" with the world, where can you find others like you?
I’ll have to qualify what I mean by “the world”. I’m talking popular culture, the least common denominator that is shared by the majority.

All of us are members of various subsets of groups, some intersect, some don’t; social circles, as it were.

I do find my peers circulating more widely; and in a sense, are able to be a member of various groups, while not being absorbed fully into any one. I’d like to think that being able to perceive larger landscapes allows you to play on a larger field, as it were. You know: the old self-actualization concept. It’s real and it takes a long time.

I’m not talking about withdrawal from the world to go contemplate your navel in Tibet; I mean to have the freedom to experience MORE of the world.

Others like me are everywhere and tend to be members of eclectic groups. Like, a friend I have in a modern dance group. Her perception is quite alien to the majority. Stuffy old boardrooms just might surprise you with some of their contents. Golfing buddies, running buddies, and Kayaking buddies to name a few. Here, of course, and a few other boards, most in extreme sports. I have a couple of weed-smoking skateboarding friends that are, essentially homeless, except for having tons of friends all over the country the crash with.
 

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grinder said:
It’s no longer the same world. By 40, more and more, you are the boy that comprehends that the Emperor has No Clothes. The veils are fully lifted and you see the man behind the curtain controlling the great Wizard.

This is the way things are whether you choose to believe it or not.
Now that is truly a way of looking at it. Once you see what is going on; you never can turn back time and see things as you thought they were. Almost like when you found out Santa, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy were not real.

Once you see who controls the wizard you have a hard time dealing with it at first.

Which leads to the question of this: Do you want to know what is going on or stay in the past living with your head in the sand?
 

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SoldMySoul said:
Which leads to the question of this: Do you want to know what is going on or stay in the past living with your head in the sand?
You want to know what is going on, so you are wise. However, if everyone around you thinks your head is in the sand...you are doing it just right. ;) You've found a way to be wise, and happy, at the same time.
 
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