Mgtow, redpill, current manosphere are all toxic to men

[Trainwreck]

When I came on this site, newcomers were commanded to read the book of pook on their first topic by the dj community. Now, I see this site has been swarmed by these MGTOW ****s and it is apparent af now. This Mgtow **** gained steam off of pvssed off guys on the internet that were struggling in the game or life. The movement sort of came from older black men that were sick of black women, but it caught on to narcissistic/over entitled white men on 4chan or something. These guys don't contribute **** to men and just make them a laughing stock.

Most of them are just whiny white basement nerds that won't hold themselves accountable for ****. They constantly bvtch about how life screwed them over because of feminism, affirmative action, millennials, baby boomers, liberal policies, and etc. They will use every excuse in the book to blame for their troubles, but also **** about other groups of people doing the same thing. They are literally what they hate against every day!

These people feed off of the insecurity of struggling young men on the internet. It makes sense because we didn't have any positive mentors or circumstances in our own lives, so we searched the internet for consulting. Most MGTOWs are just older men that are suffering through a mid-life crisis or ****** up in their lives and refuse to blame themselves for it.
Your typical MGTOW puts off this inane cynical vibe to make himself appear as some wise authoritative individual on the internet. He will proceed to talk out of his ass and offer advice in subjects he is clearly unqualified for. For example, Aaron Clarey on youtube makes money off of consulting mostly young men about life. Yet, this loser is a failed individual living in some trailer making videos on youtube. The guy is a spoiled backwashed loser that burned out in the corporate in the corporate world because he is a whiny pos. Another example is Roosh. He is a fvcking bum living in his mom's basement that brags about ****** European prostitutes abroad. These Mgtow/redpill ****s also lie too. They will present you this brilliant portfolio of their themselves, but not show any proof, stretch the truth, or leave out evidence. They will make it seem like their life is so great being a loser essentially, but constantly make excuses about their shortcomings.

I know yall are full of shvt. You might be able to fool some naive struggling guy looking for life advice on the internet, but you can't full me. I'll respect black mgtows because it makes sense. However, yall whiny ass Elliot Roger white boys can go suck on the largest **** imaginable. Y'all are worthless pieces of shvt that refuse to take any accountability in y'alls actions and poison other men as a result.

 

[C00lAF]

When I came on this site, newcomers were commanded to read the book of pook on their first topic by the dj community. Now, I see this site has been swarmed by these MGTOW ****s and it is apparent af now. This Mgtow **** gained steam off of pvssed off guys on the internet that were struggling in the game or life. The movement sort of came from older black men that were sick of black women, but it caught on to narcissistic/over entitled white men on 4chan or something. These guys don't contribute **** to men and just make them a laughing stock.

Most of them are just whiny white basement nerds that won't hold themselves accountable for ****. They constantly bvtch about how life screwed them over because of feminism, affirmative action, millennials, baby boomers, liberal policies, and etc. They will use every excuse in the book to blame for their troubles, but also **** about other groups of people doing the same thing. They are literally what they hate against every day!

These people feed off of the insecurity of struggling young men on the internet. It makes sense because we didn't have any positive mentors or circumstances in our own lives, so we searched the internet for consulting. Most MGTOWs are just older men that are suffering through a mid-life crisis or ****** up in their lives and refuse to blame themselves for it.
Your typical MGTOW puts off this inane cynical vibe to make himself appear as some wise authoritative individual on the internet. He will proceed to talk out of his ass and offer advice in subjects he is clearly unqualified for. For example, Aaron Clarey on youtube makes money off of consulting mostly young men about life. Yet, this loser is a failed individual living in some trailer making videos on youtube. The guy is a spoiled backwashed loser that burned out in the corporate in the corporate world because he is a whiny pos. Another example is Roosh. He is a fvcking bum living in his mom's basement that brags about ****** European prostitutes abroad. These Mgtow/redpill ****s also lie too. They will present you this brilliant portfolio of their themselves, but not show any proof, stretch the truth, or leave out evidence. They will make it seem like their life is so great being a loser essentially, but constantly make excuses about their shortcomings.

I know yall are full of shvt. You might be able to fool some naive struggling guy looking for life advice on the internet, but you can't full me. I'll respect black mgtows because it makes sense. However, yall whiny ass Elliot Roger white boys can go suck on the largest **** imaginable. Y'all are worthless pieces of shvt that refuse to take any accountability in y'alls actions and poison other men as a result.

Calm the Fūçķ down with all this şhit talking.

 

[Trunks]

Never understood this MGTOW thing. Call it for what it is: giving up. If you were really a monk or ascetic you wouldn't get all bitter about women. You would be indifferent.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

When I came on this site, newcomers were commanded to read the book of pook on their first topic by the dj community. Now, I see this site has been swarmed by these MGTOW ****s and it is apparent af now. This Mgtow **** gained steam off of pvssed off guys on the internet that were struggling in the game or life. The movement sort of came from older black men that were sick of black women, but it caught on to narcissistic/over entitled white men on 4chan or something. These guys don't contribute **** to men and just make them a laughing stock.

Most of them are just whiny white basement nerds that won't hold themselves accountable for ****. They constantly bvtch about how life screwed them over because of feminism, affirmative action, millennials, baby boomers, liberal policies, and etc. They will use every excuse in the book to blame for their troubles, but also **** about other groups of people doing the same thing. They are literally what they hate against every day!

These people feed off of the insecurity of struggling young men on the internet. It makes sense because we didn't have any positive mentors or circumstances in our own lives, so we searched the internet for consulting. Most MGTOWs are just older men that are suffering through a mid-life crisis or ****** up in their lives and refuse to blame themselves for it.
Your typical MGTOW puts off this inane cynical vibe to make himself appear as some wise authoritative individual on the internet. He will proceed to talk out of his ass and offer advice in subjects he is clearly unqualified for. For example, Aaron Clarey on youtube makes money off of consulting mostly young men about life. Yet, this loser is a failed individual living in some trailer making videos on youtube. The guy is a spoiled backwashed loser that burned out in the corporate in the corporate world because he is a whiny pos. Another example is Roosh. He is a fvcking bum living in his mom's basement that brags about ****** European prostitutes abroad. These Mgtow/redpill ****s also lie too. They will present you this brilliant portfolio of their themselves, but not show any proof, stretch the truth, or leave out evidence. They will make it seem like their life is so great being a loser essentially, but constantly make excuses about their shortcomings.

I know yall are full of shvt. You might be able to fool some naive struggling guy looking for life advice on the internet, but you can't full me. I'll respect black mgtows because it makes sense. However, yall whiny ass Elliot Roger white boys can go suck on the largest **** imaginable. Y'all are worthless pieces of shvt that refuse to take any accountability in y'alls actions and poison other men as a result.

Racist.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

MGTOW is usually the first phase of the red pill IMO. Anger, bitterness, resentment. Although the community raises really good points it also has cases of extreme sexism and borderline lunacy. Robot women? Really

 

[Poon King]

Who is "whining" now?

Any man who is too emotionally weak to hear opinions that are different from his own without having an emotional meltdown should just leave SoSuave.

They should also get a sex change while they're at it.

 

[sazc]

When I came on this site, newcomers were commanded to read the book of pook on their first topic by the dj community. Now, I see this site has been swarmed by these MGTOW ****s and it is apparent af now. This Mgtow **** gained steam off of pvssed off guys on the internet that were struggling in the game or life. The movement sort of came from older black men that were sick of black women, but it caught on to narcissistic/over entitled white men on 4chan or something. These guys don't contribute **** to men and just make them a laughing stock.

Most of them are just whiny white basement nerds that won't hold themselves accountable for ****. They constantly bvtch about how life screwed them over because of feminism, affirmative action, millennials, baby boomers, liberal policies, and etc. They will use every excuse in the book to blame for their troubles, but also **** about other groups of people doing the same thing. They are literally what they hate against every day!

These people feed off of the insecurity of struggling young men on the internet. It makes sense because we didn't have any positive mentors or circumstances in our own lives, so we searched the internet for consulting. Most MGTOWs are just older men that are suffering through a mid-life crisis or ****** up in their lives and refuse to blame themselves for it.
Your typical MGTOW puts off this inane cynical vibe to make himself appear as some wise authoritative individual on the internet. He will proceed to talk out of his ass and offer advice in subjects he is clearly unqualified for. For example, Aaron Clarey on youtube makes money off of consulting mostly young men about life. Yet, this loser is a failed individual living in some trailer making videos on youtube. The guy is a spoiled backwashed loser that burned out in the corporate in the corporate world because he is a whiny pos. Another example is Roosh. He is a fvcking bum living in his mom's basement that brags about ****** European prostitutes abroad. These Mgtow/redpill ****s also lie too. They will present you this brilliant portfolio of their themselves, but not show any proof, stretch the truth, or leave out evidence. They will make it seem like their life is so great being a loser essentially, but constantly make excuses about their shortcomings.

I know yall are full of shvt. You might be able to fool some naive struggling guy looking for life advice on the internet, but you can't full me. I'll respect black mgtows because it makes sense. However, yall whiny ass Elliot Roger white boys can go suck on the largest **** imaginable. Y'all are worthless pieces of shvt that refuse to take any accountability in y'alls actions and poison other men as a result.

Interesting!

 

[logicallefty]

MGTOW means going your own way which means it doesn't have to follow any set of boundaries, rules, standards, etc. It also means you don't give two sh|ts what people think of what you decide to do. No need to over complicate it. And everyone is more than welcome not to like it. If following paths in life already set fourth by other people is your thing vs doing your own thing, then do it!

 

[SeymourCake]

Time to Move Beyond MGTOW by Pook

http://dapook.blogspot.com.au/2008/03/time-to-move-beyond-mgtow.html

There is something very wrong with MGTOW. Instead of talking about 'men going their own way', we see...

-Anti-Americanism (or other rants against one's mother country)
-Declarations of Chicken Little economic/social/cultural collapse.
-Religious screeds against a particular religion or against all religions.
-Conspiracy theories.
-Evangelizing the 'Deck-Stacked-Against-Us-Have-No-Hope' view of society (which is unproductive)
-Evangelizing that one ought to live like a Mexican...
-...or another country...
-Forums become a 'Yes!' echo chamber. There is no discussion, just rants filled with yes-men.

These 'elements' are well known but ignored because of the 'good things' that do come out. We should just shrug off these things and compromise with them. Well, there is one problem.

When food and poison compromise, which is the victor? It is the poison. Eating it may be sustaining... for the short term... but your body fills up with these poison toxins. You begin to lose your ambition, your passion, and generally become filled with bitterness.

I have wondered how this is occurring. It is not uncommon. Many 'movements' somehow get filled with negative filled people with anger issues and other wackos. But not all movements. So how did MGTOW become a container for this garbage?

The answer is that MGTOW is founded on a negative itself: avoidance of woman. This has caused blanket rants against women. "But many of these rants are accurate, Pook!" So what? A farmer can rant all day about the unfairness of frost, but that will not get him anywhere. There is no cosmic justice out there. The world is what it is and its better to live in it that in a hyper-reality.

Perhaps this will hit more to the point. How many years has MGTOW existed? And what has changed since then? Really, nothing has changed at all.

But I have to wonder why no one in MGTOW can keep to the subject. Pick any random thread and you will find someone start going off the reservation of a speech against a religion or another unasked for soapbox sermon on some oddball subject. Often, many will randomly insert his "brilliant" assertion that civilization will collapse in ten years.

MGTOW is based on the belief that men have made mistakes (which should be spared making mistakes). These mistakes can include marriage, being nice guy, being worshipful to women, and so on. All these mistakes have a common theme: egotism. When the man got married, he was so sure he was doing the right thing and the naysayers were all jealous villains.

Since so many join MGTOW based on being wrong in the past, why does everyone act like they are right all the time? It is amazing! The egotism never died. It just shifted into new forms. This would explain why someone can't keep to the subject of MGTOW and instead must start bashing a religion, bashing a country, or bashing something else. One can be right on something and be wrong on other things. But MGTOW do not see that. They act like they have suddenly become right on everything (so they become vocal on it).

If we were wrong in the past, and it damaged our lives (such as getting married to a fiend), why do we strut around as if we have such 'wisdom'? If we were so wrong once, we could be wrong again. Yet, this reservation is nowhere to be found in MGTOW. Every man has his own pet theories. The dogs slip their leash and begin to ravage the good content.

To be honest, I don't see many happy MGTOW. There are no celebrations about being 'free' but complaining about... something. Trust me; celebrations and good cheer are far more effective and contagious than "being right all the time".

In normal society, people do not like being around someone 'right all the time'. Even if they are right, they are downright annoying. People prefer light-hearted, good cheered fun. When I think of MGTOW, 'good cheer' is the last to come to mind. MGTOW isn't about being alive as it is about escaping pain.

For as much as we mock feminists for being negative, for getting with women to talk bad about men, it is becoming more and more clear that MGTOW is becoming more like the mirror image. Behavior by behavior, a MGTOW male acts very similar to a feminist in lifestyle and habit. You begin to live alone, have meetings with guys to 'talk bad about women' (to ease existential pains), and write bad essays.

I think it is becoming clear that marriage and children is a natural longing in not just women but men as well. Nature did not intend gender avoidance. I believe generally everyone is repelled by the negative pessimistic tone found on MGTOW. However, people return consistently for a dose of the poison to ease the existential pain (caused by the natural longing of wife and children which is found in every culture and time). Once convinced by the rantings that women are more painful than pleasurable, the male goes off semi-satisfied. But, alas, the natural longing creeps up again causing the male to return.


why, it must be requited. I hear how I am censured:
they say I will bear myself proudly, if I perceive
the love come from her; they say too that she will
rather die than give any sign of affection. I did
never think to marry: I must not seem proud: happy
are they that hear their detractions and can put
them to mending. They say the lady is fair; 'tis a
truth, I can bear them witness; and virtuous; 'tis
so, I cannot reprove it; and wise, but for loving
me; by my troth, it is no addition to her wit, nor
no great argument of her folly, for I will be
horribly in love with her. I may chance have some
odd quirks and remnants of wit broken on me,
because I have railed so long against marriage: but
doth not the appetite alter? a man loves the meat
in his youth that he cannot endure in his age.
Shall quips and sentences and these paper bullets of
the brain awe a man from the career of his humour?
No, the world must be peopled. When I said I would
die a bachelor, I did not think I should live till I
were married.-"Much Ado About Nothing", Shakespeare

MGTOW is equally damned.

 

[Infern0]

Every time I see a mgtow video on YouTube, the guy doing it doesn't show his face and has a very feminine voice.

That's all I need to know

 

[Trainwreck]

That post is solid lol. Go on any mgtow forum/youtube video and you will notice that they are still primarily focused on women.

 

[Tenacity]

Bump

 

[dustmuffin]

Why would I care about mgtow? It offers me nothing. Why read whiny posts? Furthermore why are you reading it if you don't agree with their dogma?

I'm just trying to improve myself and bang women like the most of us on sosuave are doing. Mgtow is a waste of time.

 

[JohnChops]

I don't understand mgtow. It seems like it is guys who go too far down the rabbit hole and forget that this is all a game. You play the game. You get girls, you don't get girls,you learn, you improve. Saying "I'm just not going to achknlwedge the opposite sex because they do this this and that" is pathetic. It is like saying you won't look in the mirror and achknwledge you could lose a few pounds, and say "na I give up, I'll never be lean because this this and that."

It's all an excuse from men who are too scared to get out there. Or it is from men who get out there, get burned by one girl, and they put her as the fave of all women they interact with.

 

[Trainwreck]

I don't understand mgtow. It seems like it is guys who go too far down the rabbit hole and forget that this is all a game. You play the game. You get girls, you don't get girls,you learn, you improve. Saying "I'm just not going to achknlwedge the opposite sex because they do this this and that" is pathetic. It is like saying you won't look in the mirror and achknwledge you could lose a few pounds, and say "na I give up, I'll never be lean because this this and that."

It's all an excuse from men who are too scared to get out there. Or it is from men who get out there, get burned by one girl, and they put her as the fave of all women they interact with.

exactly, all they do is make excuses and blame women for their problems. They are just lazy pieces of shvt that cry on the internet everyday.

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

Finally, a good post by the OP, did not see that coming.

I think what these guys really want is attention and validation, that is it. PUAs, MGTOWs, and just that whole crowd; they want attention they didn't receive growing up. Most of these guys want a following and get a validation from having an audience, getting likes on their posts, and a lot of comments on whatever they write. Its like the kids who did get attention and validation growing up more or less grew out of it and did their own thing while the ones who were outcasts now want that same attention.

Why do MGTOWs feel so desperate to announce to the world that they don't want women? Who the **** even cares whether or not they want to get laid? Why are they spending so much time on pickup and dating forums?

It's simple, they want company and some attention.

 

[Solomon]

Roosh V and Aaron Clarey are not mgtow...I suggest you do your research before talking OP

I agree with some of your sentiments as I have had some of the same reservations......

however Mgtow does have a point

 

[TheFixer14]

While I left MGTOW for a lot of the reasons mentioned, they are correct about a lot of things. But they choose to think that it's not worth it. And maybe they are right. No one has a right to tell someone how to live their life.

The thing that made me really want to dip was when MGTOWs were saying that it's okay for a guy to be awkward as hell and how 50 year old virgins were okay with that. What kind of life is that?

I don't care for PUAs (used to be one) or the TRP either. But all MGTOW does is *****.

 

[Trainwreck]

Roosh V and Aaron Clarey are not mgtow...I suggest you do your research before talking OP

I agree with some of your sentiments as I have had some of the same reservations......

however Mgtow does have a point

They are aligned with the manosphere which has influenced the mgtow movement. Plus, the title states manosphere, trp, and mgtow

 

[Mr. Kalikoat]

Is it just me or does the OP look like it's written by a leftist feminist millenial woman with neon-blue hair?