Complete non-sense, in my opinion. When in humankind history was a mother allowed to say "this guy raped me" and without trial or anything of the kind, you have to pay for the child and the mother and you are not even allowed to take DNA tests without the mother's permition. This is a war on men and manhood and if you can't see it, wait until it gets to you LOL
You've proven my point. Life has never been fair. MGTOWs have their panties in a bunch because now THEY are the "victims" of the unfairness.
The problem with playing video games is that it isn't productive. Sports are at least good exercise. With music or painting, you are at least building an artistic skill. If you're into woodworking, you can build something. Video games, I guess you can say that you are sharpening your reflexes and easing your stress. But as a hobby, it's pretty nonproductive.
I am clear about the fact life is unfair, in my adult life, I understood that quite early. But this is beyond unfair. This means you're ****ed without even starting. I mean, what should we do, just stand and say nothing as women get their way with the legal system totally in their favour? Some of the facts are not simply unfair, man. Some of the facts are bone chilling? And then you have feminist "reality" being presented like they live on some other planet or sth. No, just no. I am not saying stay home and ***** and protest and do nothing about it, but raising your voice? Oh yeah, it is a good thing they are raising their voice.
You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
Why should I care?
See, this is what my original impression of MGTOW was. To me, it sounded like guys who maybe tried PUA, but it didn't work out for them, they weren't desirable enough. So they just decided to forget about women and focus on doing their own thing. That's what I thought it was.
Yeah, that was my initial thought when my real life friend personally introduced me to the site. But their posts still consist of the most recent dating and relationship experiences. I am wondering if the overall movement is just to get a woman on a temporary basis for companionship...but be prepared to walk away from it if she dumps you or you dump her...or even if it's mutual...because...still...these relationships do have an expiration date on them of at least 3 to 5 years, if even that.
Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
Again, that doesn't sound much different than the typical DJ approach. Which is odd, since even as you can read in this thread, a lot of DJs like to ridicule MGTOW.
They do so because they misunderstand it, I think. You are, to a certain extent, right when you say it is similar to the DJ approach. I think, though, that the key thing of MGTOW is "do not get married", like that's the biggest thing they say. And I think they are quite right.
I say that too, it just seems like common sense. And I don't tend to place labels on myself, be it DJ, MGTOW, whatever.
So it would seem this site and MGTOW's attitudes are aligned? I hear some PUAs thinking otherwise though...still...you know, they tout them being whiney bsterds that can't get a woman with a fistful of pardons...which may or may not be true. They usually refer to them as "neck beards" whatever that means. I mean, I know it means people who don't shave their necks and let the hair grow there, but don't see the correlation to that and being dudes who can't get a woman.
Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
What about people who wanna have kids? I mean, there are loads of guys who wanna have kids, man. Right now, I am 23 and I don't wanna have kids for at least another approx. 5-10 years. However, I wanna have kids one day. Having kids in these conditions is like...shooting yourself in the foot, watching yourself bleed and then hoping you make the end of the marathon. Some guys have it in their purpose list to have one or two kids (or more). This **** is ****ed up.
Like anything... it's a cost benefit analysis. You want to have kids... go find a willing chick and make that happen... but understand what you are getting into. You should ask yourself, "Why". Why do you want kids? If you want children because you want to pass your values onto the next generation... as a man... you will NOT be able to do this. Our culture is that the children belong to the mother, it will be HER values that are passed along, not yours. The reason why the Urban culture in the US is such a steaming pile of cr@p, is that we now have going on the 4th generation of people raised by idiot single mothers.
I see some validity to this. When I was younger, I wanted kids, but when I started getting into my late 30s, the idea of being an elderly single parent was unappealing, but also...I would not be able to raise my kids in the disciplinary style my father had. He was the last of his kind in a sense that believed in the "rod". If you know what I mean,..now we have these pansy kids that we aren't even allow to discipline.
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