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Messed up... I think it might be over?

Drmuscular

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So basically i went out with this girl, we hit it off pretty nicely, made out first date, grabbed her ass, tried to go to her place (I'm still a broke college student and she is three years older than me and independent, got no place of my own) but she refused saying that it was too fast or whatever, but verbally said "maybe in the second or third date", next week i invite her out, I sense a flake so I pre-emptively flake because my gut points out to a flake, everything adds up, her interest goes up after i cancel on her and she starts initiating more after that for some reason, I invited her out and then she cancels like one day before which is not good, I asked her out next week and she says yes.


NOW HERE IS THE **** UP

Basically because I was on a rampage I was juggling multiple women, like one every day of the week, I invited another girl to a similar venue for the same day but cancelled on her for this girl, problem is that I confused the venues and I went to the wrong one which is basically at the other side of the city, she calls me to ask me where I am, I told her where I was and she was in fact basically at the other side of the city waiting for me, I probably looked like a dumbass, anyways I told her "no worries, we cant change it right now but just enjoy the rest of the night, want me to come there or maybe come here" she said that she would come here, at that point I expected her to not show up, however just in case I bought some cheap chocolates, and waited for like 40 mins (yes it was that far away)... turns out she did come!

The date

I spat out my game on her, never accepted fault and changed subject but she kept bringing it up, it was funny though she laughed a lot, I handed her the chocolates later that night, she said "ill give you a hug", I said no, so she kissed me but then stopped and said "I just remembered" she was still a little pissed I think, did not verbally apologize though until the end of the night where I was going to kiss her, she pulled away and said "admit it was your fault" I said ok my fault, she did it again until I said it again and then she kissed me, I think this last thing was not good though seems kind of submissive.

After the date and what I'm trying to figure out
Now guys the problem here is that her interest clearly dropped anyways, I think she did come because she was still willing to see what I was going to do or how I was going to behave after that, the date ensured that she still responds to my texts and I think is still possible, **** if it wasn't because of that I'm 100% sure I would have facked her that night.

Anyways the problem is that I invited her out the next week, and she flaked with the lamest excuse! I said "ok don't worry tell me when you have the time" so I basically put the ball in her court, its been two weeks and while she has initiated texts and we have texted back and forth, she hasn't even mentioned meeting up, I think that if I invite her out I will look weak as ****, but not sure maybe I could try again? is there anything else I can do? I feel kind of powerless and don't want to lose this one because of a dumb mistake, I do like her. I think maybe putting the ball in her court was a mistake? I don't want to loose too much frame man.
 

Drmuscular

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I would've forgotten about this girl and got back to doing this.
I know but I do think that solving (or trying to, like experimenting) hard situations is better for learning game once you get the gist of it. It is contrary to what most of the site says though. Also this girl is hot.
 

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A man doesn’t think it’s weak to ask the girl to come over or whatever, on the contrary own up that you want to meet, don’t waste time and force the question and yes/no answer. If yea meet up, if not move on - you don’t have the time to go on endlessly in texts

the reason you’re afraid to ask is not because you think it’s weak it’s because you’re afraid of the rejection
 

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I know but I do think that solving (or trying to, like experimenting) hard situations is better for learning game once you get the gist of it. It is contrary to what most of the site says though. Also this girl is hot.
So this girl agreed to a 2nd date and went 40 minutes to see you after your f*** up...how did you not f*** her?
 

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Wayyyyyy to outcome dependent with these women. And youre playing games by canceling because you think she is going to cancel? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This chick is going to flake on you again btw.

Just by reading your post OP I can tell that you are still young and immature. Be direct with these women and dont try to be so "gamey".

Ive had many lays from chicks that I thought might flake on a date. And if a chick flakes, just response "Ok thanks for letting me know" and nothing else.
Ive determined that any woman whos interest goes up after someone cancels on them is garbage. They have no self confidence and are low hanging fruit. No man or woman that is higher value is going to stick around to deal with someone acting as you are doing.
 

sevbucmash

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Just call her up, ask her out, and offer to pick her up (on uber).
 

CornbreadFed

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So basically i went out with this girl, we hit it off pretty nicely, made out first date, grabbed her ass, tried to go to her place (I'm still a broke college student and she is three years older than me and independent, got no place of my own) but she refused saying that it was too fast or whatever, but verbally said "maybe in the second or third date", next week i invite her out
All I needed to see. She has no raw genuine attraction for you, so you will always play second fiddle jester games with her. Girls do not play Bugs Bunny Games with men that they are attracted to. It is game over for you OP, time to erase this girl from your memory.
 

Clockwerk50

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You have to step up your logistics game. Not sure why you would send the girl to the other side of the city. That’s more than just a silly mistake, and if I were in her shoes, I’d think you’re a clown.

Regardless, she’s still initiating. In my playbook, if a girl initiates, it means she’s putting effort into the relationship by keeping in touch and may want to see you again; girls that want you they make themselves available to you. If she declines the invitation, simply say, “Alright, let me know when you want to hang out again so we can catch up.” This approach will not only save you time but also prevent you from becoming an orbiter and falling into the friend zone/pen pal dynamic.

In this particular case, all you have to do is ask her out when she’s keeping in touch to see where you stand.
 

BillyPilgrim

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All I needed to see. She has no raw genuine attraction for you, so you will always play second fiddle jester games with her. Girls do not play Bugs Bunny Games with men that they are attracted to. It is game over for you OP, time to erase this girl from your memory.
Agreed. I almost stopped reading after seeing the "maybe on the 2nd or 3rd date" bit. Girl is a player and trying to be controlling. 2 players playing means no one wins.
 
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WOOOOOW, reading this situation reminds me of the kind of stuff I used to post on here 20 years ago when I was 23 and still trying to figure all this stuff out. In that time, the biggest lesson I've learned is this:

DATING ISN'T HARD. WE MAKE IT HARD.

How? By dating low interest chicks and thinking we have to DO so much to get their interest to turn around. But it's super simple: when they like you, they help you, and when they don't, they won't.

In this example: this girl knows you like her. If she had high interest, she would say "yes" to all dates and never flake. If she has low interest, she would either not respond when you asked her out, or she would say "yes" and not show up and hope you never bring it up.

She's already done this twice? At this point, NOW YOU'RE MAKING IT HARD by continuing to ask her out.

At best, if you want results, stop asking her out. Wait for her to ask YOU out, and while you're waiting be going after other women (and hopefully run into one that has high interest).

At your age, I didn't have enough experience to know what high interest looks like. At 43, I can tell you: this ain't it.
 

We_ArE_VeNOM

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of my own) but she refused saying that it was too fast or whatever, but verbally said "maybe in the second or third date", next week i invite her out
You took her out on a date before you got the puzzy, and was about to accept a second or third date at her request.

This is beta shiit.

I'm out.

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