Messed up, BPD ex contacted me last nigh

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I would be really interested by you sharing the work you have done on yourself to change that pattern.
Yeah. The first thing to remember is that BPD/Cluster B comes in all kinds of different flavors. A lot of guys (here, especially) treat BPDs like fishing stories--comparing notes on who ran into the biggest BPD. Or, 'Well your BPD could hold down a job so she must not really be BPD.' But the truth is, every person with BPD is different--their IQ, the level of social pressure causing them to conform to certain outward appearance/behavior, and their innate personalities (shy, extroverted, etc. etc.) will all dictate how/how early the disorder manifests itself--but the underlying disorder is always the same.

I've been involved with total train wrecks--once or twice. But those ones are easy to avoid and definitely easier not to invest your emotions in (unless you're like the whitest of white knight captain-save-a-hoe or have drug issues or suffer really low self esteem). But for me (before I knew what the disorder was), I kept finding better and better presentations of it--it was kind of a bargaining process. It took my last (first real) relationship going nuclear after 2 years (and having my ego/false-self absolutely shattered) for me to dig deep and start fixing my own issues. But I'll try to keep my advice as general as possible--and cherry pick what was most useful to me out of all the resources/contexts/lenses I used to make sense of things.

1. Take Responsibility. You are responsible for everything that happens to you. Not in the sense that it's your fault or that you could've forced a different outcome if you had just done 'x, y or z' but in the sense that you are responsible for how you react to any given situation--even if it's outside of your control. You are responsible for every relationship you get into and how they turn out. Sure, you can't control what your partner does and you shouldn't blame yourself for things going crazy--but you absolutely have to own your ability to act. Being the victim might feel nice--She had BPD, it wasn't my fault--but that's just your ego trying not to let you feel really sh*tty about yourself. But if you take responsibility you don't have to feel sh*tty, because you're a man and you're able to act for yourself (which is the basis of emotional freedom).

2. Forgive. I think all of us that get involve with Cluster B's are usually working out some childhood issues that on a conscious level we're not even aware of. Psychologically, it's called 'repetition compulsion'--we keep putting ourselves in the same situation over and over, because if we can just get it right this time, it'll mean that there's not something wrong with us. For me, it was pretty obvious--my dad is textbook NPD; my mom, if she's not borderline, definitely displays some strong characteristics. Luckily, they were divorced by the time I became self-aware; but I had a lot of issues lol.

It might help to take the time to figure out the dynamics in your childhood that made you feel that love was something that had to be earned. Did your parents expect you to be perfect? Was their love inconsistent? Did they lean into you for emotional support or blame you for their issues? As a child, we perceive all these things as our fault because the world revolved around us--so there has to be something wrong with us, right? And it didn't even have to be anything that extreme; children are sensitive to any number of inaccurate perceptions. The important thing is to forgive. Forgive your parents for being who they are. Forgive yourself for the things you didn't know. Forgive your ex for being who she is. Forgive the disorder. Placing blame on anyone or anything is giving that object power over you.

3. Reprogram your mind. I'm a huge proponent of regular meditation. As in everyday. I mentioned the faulty programming that carries over from our childhood but by meditating you can feed your subconscious mind with new beliefs. This is the visualization that's most effective for me:
For me, most of my effort has been directed toward replacing my ego (externally validated 'confidence') with internal self-belief (real confidence). Your ego can be manipulated; confidence can't. And your ego is ultimately what hurts the most at the end of a BPD relationship and can't let go because your self-worth is tied up in this woman that used to see you as perfect (which felt really good) but then rejected you (which feels really bad lol).

When compliments or insults have 0 impact on your internal state, you retain emotional freedom and can act according to what provides you with the most, tangible benefits--tying into the action > words.

4. Focus on your goals. BPD women are an awesome distraction. Any problems in your life? They'll bring so much drama that you can totally forget your own issues. But you're only sabotaging yourself. Make an effort to fill your life with things to accomplish--and that are worthwhile to you. The minute any girl compromises your mission is the minute you eject her from your life (it's a foolproof method of making sure your relationships with women are healthy and satisfying). Being with a woman with BPD is like a heroine addiction--it feels good to get lost in poppy land; but when the comedown hits you're left to pick up the pieces and address the things that you were able to forget in borderland.
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As far as dating normal women, what's helped me the most is internalizing the Red Pill (a la The Rational Male) and figuring out what it means to be a man (a la The Book of Pook). I dealt with a lot of guilt about sleeping with normal women and even had performance issues the few times I had tried; I was comfortable with BPD women because I could sense of some level that I couldn't hurt them anyway and in a way wouldn't feel responsible for my actions or my desires (all of this was at a subconscious level).

In short, I wasn't being honest with myself and true to my intent. I had a lot of feminine conditioning and all sort of mental blocks, etc. that I was up against. Plus, disordered women felt familiar--I had two decades' experience dealing with that type of women. I also had a strong attachment to the actualization of some idealized love/romance; and borderline women are the only ones you can adequately create that kind of fantasy with (for a while, anyway).

I've given up that fantasy and those mental roadblocks and am much happier as a result. And, in truth, the difference between normal women and Cluster B women is more a matter of degree than kind. Cluster B is just hypergamy on steroids--and yeah, having a pet tiger might be exciting for a while, but at a certain point a pet kitten would be nice, right?
 
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Being with normal women feels weird to me, I'm attracted to disordered women. Not necessarily BPD but almost all the girls I've dated have come from broken homes and had abandonment, daddy issues. I'm attracted to those type of girls, I resent girls from good backgrounds/families and don't feel an attachment to them like I do to disordered women. I know it comes from my childhood and I wish it wasn't the case but I naturally drifted towards captain save a ho.
 

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I was comfortable with BPD women because I could sense of some level that I couldn't hurt them anyway and in a way wouldn't feel responsible for my actions or my desires (all of this was at a subconscious level).
That's also something I experienced. When you are with those kind of crazies, you don't care about them. You don't care about hurting them at all. I often asked myself if those girls aren't more true than "normal" girls.

I'm attracted to those type of girls, I resent girls from good backgrounds/families and don't feel an attachment to them like I do to disordered women. I know it comes from my childhood and I wish it wasn't the case but I naturally drifted towards captain save a ho.
I think it's because it's easier for us. You "only" have to shelter them. It's the way you earn their love. You need to be needed and you get your validation from that. But you forget yourself in the process and you make yourself dependent of her.


You guys never talk about the fear. Weren't you afraid of losing your BPD? Afraid of the confrontation? Afraid to disappoint her?
 

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I was drunk as hell, we had our regional rugby finals yesterday afternoon which we won so the whole team got wasted in the club rooms, I was home at about 2am and my BPD ex called me (i've not spoken to her for months)

I looked at my call log this morning and we spoke for over 2 hours! I also have several nudes of her in my inbox.

I don't even remember much of the conversation other than me telling her she was bpd, her apologizing for being a ***** and saying she misses me and me saying some drunk philosipher stuff like "don't apologize just try to learn from it"

thats honestly all i remember.

Anyone know what to expect next??
Congrats on the Rugby- what team do you play for? (PM me if you like).

WHY IS HER NUMBER NOT BLOCKED DUDE?

I've seen so much stuff from you about your BPD Ex. I'm going to be harsh and say you need to get over this. In truth you haven't moved on (and i know the struggle having had the BPD mindf*ck).
 

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I was home at about 2am and my BPD ex called me (i've not spoken to her for months)
1. You should have blocked her by now.
2. She called you at 2am? For 2 hours? And
3. This is after 'months' of not speaking.

I'd sort it once and for all. I literally had my BPD ex email, txt and call me repeatedly, after two years. Just recently. Boy the urge was there to fvck her like a dog - but I resisted. Missed out on free every and anything from that b1atch.

She has once again vaporised in to the ether world, only to return at some other stage, with those same, haunting, words:

"I adore you. I miss you. I've changed. I'm so much more mature now..."

I'll keep the garlic around my window thanks.
 

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With a bit of luck it's option 1

Have no desire for option 2, learned all i need from her.
It wont be option 1. Usually when ex contacts you is because she is seeking attentionand needs her ego fed.
 

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You guys never talk about the fear. Weren't you afraid of losing your BPD? Afraid of the confrontation? Afraid to disappoint her?
The one that I was emotionally enmeshed with (exgf of 2 years) acted inwards. I don't know if fear is the right word but I very much wanted to prevent her from being so hard on herself. I wanted to prove to her that she was loveable--so still a white knight, codependent, captain-save-a-hoe mental schema, it was more of me needing her to appreciate the fact that she had to be awesome because she was with me.

But I had a lot of abundance and have always had a very low tolerance for disrespect from women (probably too low--I had my massive ego to protect and would eject women on the flimsiest pretext if I felt it threatened). I defended pretty ridiculous boundaries; I was afraid that she would do something that would force me to break up with her, which would make me 'lose the game' of proving she was loveable. I probably kept her too busy walking on eggshells for me to really worry about it. The idea that she would ever leave me wasn't really a possibility (again, my ego lol).

The only time she raged at me was about a year in; she was 100% convinced I was sleeping with her mom. I pulled away hard, was this close to breaking up with her, went on Google, found out about BPD, read all the horror stories about how the relationships ended. But then I thought, 'What the hell, I'm the exception' and we went right back into honeymoon mode for another year. I actually totally forgot about the disorder and slipped back into blue pill fantasy land until everything resurfaced in an epic way at the end.

At that point, my ego shattered and I was forced to confront all sorts of **** that my ego had been built up to suppress (which was a lot of fear and feelings of inadequacy). I'm not sure if I would've qualified for some sort of official NPD/BPD comorbid diagnosis--but I definitely had a lot of the traits--extremely grateful that my ex exposed those maladaptions for what they were.
 

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I will add a stipulation here. For those of us that are susceptible (usually based on replaying some childhood dynamic) it can seem like every girl has BPD--they're the ones that most consistently pop up on our radar. Before I knew what it was and made a conscious effort to change that pattern, I was running through Cluster B's left and right; girls who were more or less healthy and emotionally available, even if they're attractive, used to trigger a massive flight instinct (I've gotten better, a little bit). But even now if I feel an extreme pull towards a girl, there's a good chance she'll open the DSM-IV playbook shortly thereafter.

On the other hand, none of my close friends--who are all solid dudes, pretty much the epitome of 'well-adjusted--would ever get wrapped with that type of girl and probably wouldn't believe those types of women existed if they didn't know me. That said, every girl in the right circumstances shows BPD-behavior; either way it doesn't abnegate our responsibility for our behavior and the type of behavior we allow into our lives.
If you are attracted to (ahem) "BPD women", fix yourself.
 

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If you are attracted to (ahem) "BPD women", fix yourself.
Easy? Not really...

The only time she raged at me was about a year in; she was 100% convinced I was sleeping with her mom. I pulled away hard, was this close to breaking up with her, went on Google, found out about BPD, read all the horror stories about how the relationships ended. But then I thought, 'What the hell, I'm the exception' and we went right back into honeymoon mode for another year. I actually totally forgot about the disorder and slipped back into blue pill fantasy land until everything resurfaced in an epic way at the end.
Ah man, I did exactly the same thing... I couldn't believe those existed and how they were HELL on your face.

Mine acted outwards. Seems we just get the girls we deserve.

I wonder where and how do all the "BPD women" end?
 
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