Men with standards are "losers"

[Urbanyst]

Licensed fat-ass Ashley Graham gives girl-power speech to room full of young and impressionable high school girls.

Her message? Men with standards are LOSERS and you are perfect they way they are.

https://video.glamour.com/watch/ashley-graham-opens-about-her-first-break-up

When will this stop?

 

[skinnyguy]

Licensed fat-ass Ashley Graham gives girl-power speech to room full of young and impressionable high school girls.

Her message? Men with standards are LOSERS and you are perfect they way they are.

https://video.glamour.com/watch/ashley-graham-opens-about-her-first-break-up

When will this stop?

In order to get a girl in today's society, you have to be in shape, make a ton of money, have game, and have a lot of cool hobbies.

To get a guy, a girl can be fat and broke.

In a way, she's preaching what men are already doing. Men think dating ANY girl is a success.

 

[sazc]

well, okay, lol, but criag was like "

yo B, if you aint gonna give me no poontang, they just ain nut'in in this for me....plus you gonna pack on the libs, I can see it, you gonna be fat as mai momma, I aint down with that, aight? l8tr"

In general I have an issue with this fat-entitlement/empowerment that people advocate. Sometimes I think I have no business sticking my two cents into that because it's easy for me to maintain my size 8, but then I realize that everyone else could decide to eat normal portions, and join me in maintaining a regular size.

In any case, what she is trying to tell these females is, dont allow a man to damage/dictate your perception of self worth and self esteem. What she fails to tell them is that Craig should have subtly checked with her via casual conversation about her philosophies regarding food and sex.

What she also fails to tell them which, IMO, is the better message, is that both men and women are going to have standards in regards to what they are looking for in a partner - and that we should never judge ourselves based on someone elses rejection when we dont meet their standards. Instead you should be asking yourself, what are MY standards and does this person meet my standards? And, if they dont meet your standards, are you able to communicate your standards to them and are they willing to entertain them?

This idea that we should only value a partner that respects us - well, yea, everyone should agree with that philosophy...but isn't that pretty much an indicator that you have probably met someone whose standards match yours very closely and, therefore, respect is easy to give?

 

[That_dude]

Well breaking up with the girl because she’s getting fat and not putting out yet.. Is kind of shallow. But how many women are going to stick around a fat dude with little to no money though?

 

[Urbanyst]

well, okay, lol, but criag was like "

yo B, if you aint gonna give me no poontang, they just ain nut'in in this for me....plus you gonna pack on the libs, I can see it, you gonna be fat as mai momma, I aint down with that, aight? l8tr"

In general I have an issue with this fat-entitlement/empowerment that people advocate. Sometimes I think I have no business sticking my two cents into that because it's easy for me to maintain my size 8, but then I realize that everyone else could decide to eat normal portions, and join me in maintaining a regular size.

In any case, what she is trying to tell these females is, dont allow a man to damage/dictate your perception of self worth and self esteem. What she fails to tell them is that Craig should have subtly checked with her via casual conversation about her philosophies regarding food and sex.

What she also fails to tell them which, IMO, is the better message, is that both men and women are going to have standards in regards to what they are looking for in a partner - and that we should never judge ourselves based on someone elses rejection when we dont meet their standards. Instead you should be asking yourself, what are MY standards and does this person meet my standards? And, if they dont meet your standards, are you able to communicate your standards to them and are they willing to entertain them?

This idea that we should only value a partner that respects us - well, yea, everyone should agree with that philosophy...but isn't that pretty much an indicator that you have probably met someone whose standards match yours very closely and, therefore, respect is easy to give?

Truth is.. we really don't know Craig's side of the story or what he really said to her. We only know HER version of the story which (of course) paints her as the victim and Craig as the douche-bag (per standard female story telling). She will not reveal or acknowledge that MAYBE Craig has a point and MAYBE being fat is not good lol.

Its healthy to have a good self-image to a point. But once you cross into entitlement, delusion or arrogance about yourself its not really good for anyone because you don't leave room for improvement. Everyone can always improve. Once you shut down outside options and say "I am perfect as I am" its just self-centered arrogance. No man of quality wants anything to do with that.

Women today believe a MAN should always try to improve himself for HER sake. At the same time, she has no interest in improving herself for HIS sake. Such an expectation of him would be misogynistic. What? You want her to change? You want to oppress her? LOL.

 

[JohnChops]

So us as men have to like every females' body type or else we are losers? hahahahahahahahahaha

 

[El Payaso]

I wonder if she is willing to date a man shorter than her.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

She's pretty

 

[TheGambino]

I wonder if she is willing to date a man shorter than her.

I had a great girl not dating me cuz of my short height but Hey napoleon conqured whole europe and he was 5,2

 

[sazc]

Truth is.. we really don't know Craig's side of the story or what he really said to her. We only know HER version of the story which (of course) paints her as the victim and Craig as the douche-bag (per standard female story telling). She will not reveal or acknowledge that MAYBE Craig has a point and MAYBE being fat is not good lol.

Its healthy to have a good self-image to a point. But once you cross into entitlement, delusion or arrogance about yourself its not really good for anyone because you don't leave room for improvement. Everyone can always improve. Once you shut down outside options and say "I am perfect as I am" its just self-centered arrogance. No man of quality wants anything to do with that.

Women today believe a MAN should always try to improve himself for HER sake. At the same time, she has no interest in improving herself for HIS sake. Such an expectation of him would be misogynistic. What? You want her to change? You want to oppress her? LOL.

I agree with you, a big issue is that, when we teach young kids, esp females, self empowerment, the stories never come with a secondary message of self-introspection...so what we are left with is people with a shallow sense of entitlement.

Thinking "I am perfect as I am" is fine as long as you also understand that you being perfect as you are does NOT mean that everyone is going to share that opinion and does also not mean that, for the people who do not share that opinion, you should think less of them. It's erroneous to say "I'm perfect and if you dont think so you are an a$$ and can go to hell" There's no balance of thought in that thinking.

Another reason I'm glad I have the secondary perspective of these boards for myself and my kids. it's important to be able to add these extra dimensions to all conversations.

 

[RangerMIke]

Yea... I'm sure the fact that Ashley's husband is a hot, in demand artist and cinematographer who just happens to be a millionaire, is just serendipity . That has nothing to do with her attraction to him... nothing... it is only because he accepts her for who she is... fat and all.

There are men that find fat chicks attractive... and there is nothing wrong with that. She found a high status man that happens to like fat chicks. That does not mean he's a winner. If she loses weight, he will lose attraction... she is what he wants right now... he is high status... this is how sh!t works.

Filling girls heads with bvllsh!t changes nothing. What I teach my girls is the truth.... be in the best shape you can be, look the best you can, and while you have high SMV... land the best man you can. Marry him... and then you own his @ss. I warn them that if they let themselves go... they MIGHT find a man that finds them attractive, but they will be limiting their pool of men... and you might have to settle for something less than you want... which will make you VERY unhappy.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Dudes need to read between the lines.

She's a plus model AND a paid speaker.

http://www.nopactalent.com/speaker/ashley-graham.php

Paid speakers get paid to say whatever the audience wants to hear.

Paid speakers that try to deliver red pill truths to ANY audience won't ever get hired.

She's also 1/100000000 fat chicks who got famous because she's fat.

Most fat chicks will never be famous or desired by guys they want to be desired by.

It's also straight out of the feminists playbook.

Get rich promoting shyte young females WANT to hear, but at the same time destroys any chance they have at real happiness.

 

[AJ84]

I agree with you, a big issue is that, when we teach young kids, esp females, self empowerment, the stories never come with a secondary message of self-introspection...so what we are left with is people with a shallow sense of entitlement.

Thinking "I am perfect as I am" is fine as long as you also understand that you being perfect as you are does NOT mean that everyone is going to share that opinion and does also not mean that, for the people who do not share that opinion, you should think less of them. It's erroneous to say "I'm perfect and if you dont think so you are an a$$ and can go to hell" There's no balance of thought in that thinking.

Another reason I'm glad I have the secondary perspective of these boards for myself and my kids. it's important to be able to add these extra dimensions to all conversations.

There's a book that was recently published I think it's called 'Strong Girls' or something. I will have to look for it but it's basically profiles with pictures of young girls up to teen years. The girl on the cover has a resting bit*ch face. To me, also a parent, I don't want to my daughter to think being strong means being angry, and that's what I feel the message is with that image of a young girl who looks like she would beat someone's face into the earth if they crossed her.

When I see that kind of look on women who I know have that "I am strong" vibe, I see someone who men and women alike want to avoid. The true, strong women I know are actually pretty laid back and don't feel the need to be in people's faces with their accomplishments, waiting for someone to cross them so they can go off like a grenade with the pin pulled out.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Notice that she's showing more cleavage than any girl in the room....because she is a role model delivering a message of empowerment. And that message is that successful women use their boobs to get ahead.

 

[Urbanyst]

She's pretty

If you're into centors I guess lol.

 

[Urbanyst]

I agree with you, a big issue is that, when we teach young kids, esp females, self empowerment, the stories never come with a secondary message of self-introspection...so what we are left with is people with a shallow sense of entitlement.

Thinking "I am perfect as I am" is fine as long as you also understand that you being perfect as you are does NOT mean that everyone is going to share that opinion and does also not mean that, for the people who do not share that opinion, you should think less of them. It's erroneous to say "I'm perfect and if you dont think so you are an a$$ and can go to hell" There's no balance of thought in that thinking.

Another reason I'm glad I have the secondary perspective of these boards for myself and my kids. it's important to be able to add these extra dimensions to all conversations.

Yep. We should teach kids to have goals and to be confident in their abilities. To thrive for excellence and to try to be the best.

We should not teach kids that they should always feel good about themselves 24/7. People are just too soft and easily offended these days and its because so many people are raised to believe any kind of negative emotion they feel means the end of the world.

You should be able to call a fat person fat. And no one should be praised for being a fat-ass either. No its not "ok" to be fat. If your standards are low enough that its "ok" for you, that is not anyone else's problem. We should not celebrate any form of failure in life that is related to personal choice. Like choosing to eat that second slice of cheesecake.

 

[Tenacity]

Truth is.. we really don't know Craig's side of the story or what he really said to her. We only know HER version of the story which (of course) paints her as the victim and Craig as the douche-bag (per standard female story telling). She will not reveal or acknowledge that MAYBE Craig has a point and MAYBE being fat is not good lol.

Its healthy to have a good self-image to a point. But once you cross into entitlement, delusion or arrogance about yourself its not really good for anyone because you don't leave room for improvement. Everyone can always improve. Once you shut down outside options and say "I am perfect as I am" its just self-centered arrogance. No man of quality wants anything to do with that.

Women today believe a MAN should always try to improve himself for HER sake. At the same time, she has no interest in improving herself for HIS sake. Such an expectation of him would be misogynistic. What? You want her to change? You want to oppress her? LOL.

100% agree.

As a Man, you have to:

- Make 6 figures
- Have a 6 pack
- Have a nice car
- Have a nice place
- Have an engaging personality
- Have great looks
- Have great intelligence
- Be street smart
- Be tough
- Be masculine
- Have rock solid inner game
- Have good credit
- Have a retirement plan
- Have a master's degree
- Have full level insurance
- Have a 17 inch dyck
- Make a woman nut everytime you fvck her

As for the chick? Well, she can:

- Be jobless
- Be overweight
- Have a bad attitude
- Have a bad weave
- Have another man's kids (or let's just say another thug's kids)
- Have tattoos stamped in the middle of her chest
- Have a loose, ran through, pvssy
- Have a mental illness
- Be a complete nutjob
- Have horrible fvcking credit
- Have a car that continues to break down
- Live in a government property or some other "dump"

........And as a MAN, you will just have to "MAN UP" and accept these flaws. You know a REAL MAN wouldn't bytch about these flaws nor ask a woman to change (or should I say, "self improve"). You just have to accept them, like them, and learn to love them. But of COURSE, if you have any flaw, she will pounce on your a.ss like a tiger escaping the zoo and require you to have a full fledged plan of action to eliminate said flaw.......or else.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Depends what you mean by standards.

 

[devilkingx2]

people who expect everyone else in the world to altruistically conform to their desires while they are being 100% selfish are morons.

why the hell would he place her desire to not have sex and be fat above his own desires? her desire to not have sex with her own boyfriend and overeat are just as selfish as his desire to get laid and have a hot girlfriend.