Men smv peak at 30s is kind of bull..

[SteR]

What's funny is the younger guys saying it doesn't happen, because in truth when I was in my early twenties I didn't believe it happened either. Just because girls aren't overtly saying their hooking up with older guys doesn't mean it's not happening.

The funny thing is that the last 5 girls I've slept with have been between ~18-22, all with me being older than 30. Age wasn't mentioned with any of them until after sex, and even then they were more concerned that I'd be worried about the difference than them..

However it has to be reiterated that you can't just be older and expect that to somehow get you attractive women. You have to take care of your appearance and raise your status in any way you can, and of course have some game.

 

[AlphaProvider]

What's funny is the younger guys saying it doesn't happen, because in truth when I was in my early twenties I didn't believe it happened either. Just because girls aren't overtly saying their hooking up with older guys doesn't mean it's not happening.

The funny thing is that the last 5 girls I've slept with have been between ~18-22, all with me being older than 30. Age wasn't mentioned with any of them until after sex, and even then they were more concerned that I'd be worried about the difference than them..

However it has to be reiterated that you can't just be older and expect that to somehow get you attractive women. You have to take care of your appearance and raise your status in any way you can, and of course have some game.

I still think 25's is a better option for your age.

Here goes the deal. As long as you are in good shape, dress well and have some stuff going on for yourself, you can be MORE attractive than their age range.

Think of all the movie stars who have some age on them. Some are still hunks in their own right able to slay woman of any age.

So age is an excuse.

I still think going over a 10 years age gap is risky.

But a 30 years old female would LOVE a 40 years old established, very attractive man over a less established 30 years old man.

Going down to 18-21 I don't know. I think there is too much drama there. As long as you don't use too much time on em, I guess it's ok. But personally I wouldn't even go under 21, those are kids!

 

[bigneil]

Let me ask you younger guys a question. Do you really think girls in the 18-21 range are hotter than women in their mid-late twenties. Let's take this girl for example, my ex-plate. (If) there any 18-21 yos that you know that are hotter? If so, post a pic.

guru1000, your girl is hot no doubt, and if that's you, you're in good shape for any age, but if your girl is that hot at 28, she's a rarity. I've figured that out in the last 5 years. As Playboy average ages show, girls who are 21 are their most photogenic (and sadly they are often fat by 22).

Here is one of the hottest girls I know who just turned 21.

 

[Gman21]

That can't possibly be the hottest girl you know.

 

[ArcBound]

The SMV graphs made famous by Rollo need some reading into them.

1) It is about potential SMV. Men can raise their SMV by working out, getting into positions of power, money (which is power), status, etc.

All of these things require time. You can't build a career in high school (well most people. The exceptions don't make the rule though). It takes longer than that. You can't get completely jacked in a year. It will take at least 2 of consistent hard work. Status and fame even in social circles is something that builds over time.

So when the graph says a man peaks around 30 or something, it actually means that is the rough time period that a man can actually get all of his sh!t together without being too old. If you didn't build power, didn't build career, didn't build your body, your SMV is might be worse than when you were younger.

2) Being older (and in a position of power) itself grants some SMV points.

In my part time job I am in charge of a lot of students ranging from middle school to high school, to early college. The amount of crushes girls have on me is kind of funny. They want to sit up close to me, they etch my name on tables, etc. And no I don't give them preferential treatment, in fact they get worse grades compared to the boys.

I'm not naive. I know I am decently good looking. But most of their infatuation comes from me being in a position of power. And more power will I get once I graduate medical school.. However if you are in the 30's at McDonalds you obviously won't have the same dynamic.

So it is useful to be in a field where you actually have power over others. It by itself is an aphrodisiac.

Think about all the stories you constantly hear about bosses getting sex, pastors getting sex, businessmen getting sex, professors getting sex. All of these and more, are positions of power.

 

[WorkHardPlayHard]

Here is one of the hottest girls I know who just turned 21.

... yeahhhhhhhhh, okay

 

[Obsidian]

She's hot. I'm just not a fan of the piercing or the tattoo. I think bigneil solidly debunks the stupidity of the opening post.

 

[DonnieBrasco]

I think 14-15 yr olds are fresh out of the oven, myself. After that they only deteriorate.

Unfortunately since I live in the USA, they aren't an option :\

http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/pedo-bear/images/18908337/title/pedo-bear-seal-approval-photo

 

[RecoveringNiceGuy]

Losers make excuses, winners gets things done.

There are certainly times I doubt myself, but when I'm confident I get attention from women of all ages, from 20-50, because at the end of the day that's what ALL women are attracted to. That's not to say all women will be attracted to you, but when you're confident you will have a very high percentage of success with single women you approach.

Age is not a very meaningful measure anyway. Life doesn't have a definite endpoint. You may die tomorrow or you may live to be 100. There's people out there who are 40 and look 25 and 25 who look 45. There's also people out there who are 30 who have the maturity of a 15 year old, and vice versa. It's all about how you take care of your body and how you discipline your mind. If you're a successful 40 year old man who looks like he's 30 and knows how to have fun like he's 20, a woman will choose you over any 20-25 year old guy in a heartbeat. She'll chase you and blow up your phone begging to see you.

The limit to the women you can date exists only in your mind.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Another random poster who has it all figured out.....zzzzz

 

[Trump]

Man this site is sometimes messed up.

You got the OP trying to rationalize why hot women don't like him and then you got guys bringing all these facts and figures trying to prove the OP is wrong to feel better about themselves. We should be constantly improving as men, not trying to convince ourselves of certain things about women or society that may or may not exist.

As long as she is over 18, you can sleep with ANY girl you want. :box:

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Lol at some readings of my post. I am mid twenties, and I am aware that i will never look better than now. I am attracting 19-23 as never before ( especially now in the summer).

Cheers to bigneil, although i would like to remind you that for each big neil there are 100 mid twenties guys scoring lower Twenties.

If your peak is to get damaged late twenties girls, who have already experienced a physical decline, its not really a peak

 

[mangotot]

guru1000
Here is one of the hottest girls I know who just turned 21.

Nice. Most guys will bang her. But she don't look too happy and seems to be a bit "clouded" under the makeup which makes her look older.

 

[zekko]

A man at 32 could also date women from 22-42 or so if he chooses. A woman 32 usually will get riddiculed for dating a 22 year old guy.
So the SMV garnered by age also gets you a broader range of targets.

So in your 30s if you worked out all through your 20s
You should:
- Look better or as good
-Have advanced in your career
-Have more assets
-Be wiser
-Be more composed

Yes, and I would add
-more time to build muscle
-more time to build social skills
-gain more experience
-be better in bed
-build better game.

I'm sure there is more. And you also make a good point that an older male has a wider range of ages that he can attract. That isn't going to make much difference to an 18 year old guy who probably only cares about girls aged 16-18. But as you get older, the range of what you find desirable increases.

And like ArcBound noted, it takes a man awhile to build his empire, to become a man of power, wealth, sophistication, and status. All of those things can up his SMV. All a woman has to do is look young and fertile.

 

[prison/con.net]

maybe that's all a woman has to do for YOU

but I insist that she be HIGHLY competent in many ways, to include fast draw, rapidfire control of combat rifle and pistol (with either hand/eye) driving, emergency medical care, legal crises, fires, my biz, computers, etc. She is (or will be) my PARTNER, and there's no way in hell that just having looks is enough. Looks IS where I start the selection process, but they do not suffice, not a chance.

 

[Yewki]

I am mid twenties, and I am aware that i will never look better than now.

This is false for three big reasons, 1) the aging process takes longer to catch up to guys, 2) you can always improve yourself even more, 3) women tend to prefer their man be older than them anyways.

So even if you did nothing to improve yourself from 25 to 30, and more or less stayed the same except aging to 30, your attraction level would be about the same. The catch is, there's so many ways you can improve yourself right now. Starting this very moment.

Get to work

 

[zekko]

I still think going over a 10 years age gap is risky.

I think you will find that if you are a high value older male, age gaps of over 10 years will be so routine you barely think about them.

Lol at some readings of my post. I am mid twenties, and I am aware that i will never look better than now. I am attracting 19-23 as never before ( especially now in the summer).

Some people peak when they are younger, so maybe that will be the case with you. This is especially true of "captain of the football team" types. But come back when you are in your early 30s and let us know. You might find you are doing better then than you are now.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

I think you will find that if you are a high value older male, age gaps of over 10 years will be so routine you barely think about them.


Some people peak when they are younger, so maybe that will be the case with you. This is especially true of "captain of the football team" types. But come back when you are in your early 30s and let us know. You might find you are doing better then than you are now.

Hi zekko, as always I appreciate your posts. My major point is this, many guys who were zeros during their twenties do better after 30. Although the chicks they score are mostly 25+, it migh seem ridiculous to you to differentiate between earlies and late twenties girls, but if you are close to this age and spend more time with people around the same range, you can tell that body wise women in their early twenties are 10 times hotter, on average.

As you age, it becomes much more difficult to meet people much younger than you, so even if you were more attractive by then you wouldn t be using your best to get the best.

I have also seen recently a chart on the heartiste; which incorporated "inner beauty". I must agree with him, that women will be more cheerful, and happy with life while they are beautiful. So there is nothing worth in older women, even their interests ( most of the times lack of) remain. Alas, some of the worst personalities i have experienced were all from older women.

Summing up, for each 35+ getting early twenties women, there are 100 of mid twenties doing the same simply because you tend to hang around with people within your age, bracket. So if on average is in your twenties that you score the hottest chicks, how can the 30s (on average) be considered a peak.

 

[G_Govan]

Too caught up with numbers. If they're attracted to you it won't matter.

Staying in shape will extend your expiration date well beyond what the haters will admit. I call them haters because it's typically the people (man or woman) that feel they can't compete that shame older men for dating younger women.

I've been able to hook up with chicks I wasn't capable of when I was in school. At least partially because looking young in school isn't an asset. As you get older it becomes more of a blessing.

 

[zekko]

but if you are close to this age and spend more time with people around the same range, you can tell that body wise women in their early twenties are 10 times hotter, on average.

Ten times hotter seems like a bit of an exaggeration at least. When I was your age, I used to think women were smoking hot at least up to age 27. Past that, it really depends on the woman.

Summing up, for each 35+ getting early twenties women, there are 100 of mid twenties doing the same simply because you tend to hang around with people within your age, bracket. So if on average is in your twenties that you score the hottest chicks, how can the 30s (on average) be considered a peak.

I agree that the average early twenties dude is better positioned within his social group to meet a lot of other early twenties girls. How well he can take advantage of that varies. If a guy is savvy and high SMV, he can leverage this advantage to great success.

What you're missing is that not all guys who are, say, 35, spend all their time exclusively with other 35 year olds. In fact, when most people reach adulthood, they start to belong to social groups that include people of all ages. An adult is an adult, they aren't bound to each other by age like adolescents are. Generally speaking, if you are dedicated to improving yourself, your SMV should be peaking in your late 20s and 30s. That's where the advantage comes in.

Also, there are some famous pictures that used to circulate around her a lot of Kellly McGillis and Tom Cruise and how they looked in Top Gun, and then comparing them in their 50s. Cruise doesn't look changed much, while McGillis, once a hot young woman, looks like an entirely different person.