Men Need to Step Up and Be Better

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Article about Men needing to be better. The Article is copied and pasted below; long but quick read.


There was a Twitter thread that made the rounds about a year ago because it put forth a basic but daring premise: these days, men have to get women to like them, and a lot of men aren’t likable. The author of the tweet makes many good points. A few decades ago, women couldn’t get a bank account, buy a home, get a credit card, work outside the home, or get educated without a man to support them. There were exceptions for those with privilege, of course, but the vast majority of women needed a husband or father in their lives to allow them to get those things. And men, by and large, took this for granted. They relied on their wives for a lot of things — namely housework and child-rearing — that they didn’t want to do themselves, and in return, they gave their wives the ability to function in society.

A lot of older men these days grew up in this world, a world where women were reliant upon (and subservient to) their husbands, and they don’t like where things are going. And, unfortunately, they raised their sons to have a similar viewpoint, and the upshot is that there are a lot of guys out there who are looking for a wifey to do the housework, a mommy figure to take care of them, or both. However, these days women can function in society without men, and when you are the kind of guy that needs a woman to do all the housework for you, the number of women who will date you is vanishingly small. So, rather than date a bunch of crappy guys with no substance, a lot of women will stay single or date around until they find a guy that will meet their needs as well. Currently, women are in control of much of the dating scene because a lot of guys won’t take the steps to have any kind of basic decency in their relationships. Instead of being able to get a girlfriend and eventual wife simply by being a man, they actually have to be likable and have positive qualities. The sad truth is, a lot of guys are not likable in the slightest.

And again, look at the examples they grew up with. Lots of terrible, domineering fathers and grandfathers who were by all accounts terrible husbands to their wives and who passed that example onto their kids. These are grumpy, bitter old men who are upset that women these days have autonomy and don’t need men, and so they treat the women in their lives like garbage and set that example for their sons. Then their sons use terms like “old-fashioned” and “still believes in chivalry” to disguise both their misogyny and weird desire for a housekeeper who will give them sex on demand. And, surprise surprise, a lot of women don’t want to date people like that. So yeah, it turns out that when you’re unlikable for so many reasons, nobody wants to date you, and it’s all because women can function in society without men and no longer need to settle. And, rather than take this lesson to heart, a lot of guys gripe on the internet and become incels who feel like the world owes them a girlfriend.

If we lived in a just world, this would be more or less the end of it. As more men learned that women want decent guys who have substance and are willing to do chores, they would take that lesson, stop griping, and the world would be a better place. Incels would die out and fewer guys would be abusive jerks. Instead, a lot of the “old-fashioned” men are in positions of power and privilege, and a lot of their fathers and grandfathers are in similar positions as well as the government. The result is that the crappy old guys who think women shouldn’t have so much autonomy are in a position to take that autonomy away.

This is objectively terrible. The fact that there are men in modern-day America who want tradwives (traditional wives who do the whole “barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen” thing) is weird and kind of repulsive to me and many others. The fact that many of them run the government is horrifying. Guys, we need to step up and be better. Women are people who deserve autonomy over themselves and their bodies, and we need to recognize that very basic fact. I’m not even talking about just abortion here — I’m talking about access to contraception and the ability to marry or not marry who they want. I’m also talking about the ability to do things like “have a credit score” and “go to college” and “have a job” without some man having to give them permission as though they are lesser beings.

Women are not lesser beings who are subservient to men,
and the fact that a lot of men (and women) think so is baffling to me. A lot of it can be chalked up to the American Evangelical Christian movement, as it is such a domineering and patriarchal organization that it has indoctrinated so many to these damaging viewpoints under the guise of religion. However, there are also just a bunch of crappy guys out there who don’t know any better. Speaking as a man to other men, we have to be better. We need to be better partners, better husbands, better fathers, and better members of society. We need to teach the younger men in our lives to be better as well because future generations cannot carry this toxic mindset further if we want to survive as a species.

Women are people who deserve autonomy, and men need to step up and do better.
The fact that these are controversial takes for some people baffles me. Generally speaking, having more rights is better than having fewer, and the fact that some want to take rights away from women just because of their gender assigned at birth is mind-boggling.

Guys, I know we can do better than that. Let’s do better.

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He provides actionable advice for women, while none whatsoever for men. He knows nothing, contributing nothing to the solution. Just like many other journalists, all he did is raise awareness.
Even worse, it focuses agaiñ on just men.

Allthough the OP is somewhat inspiring and "my kinda language "( I like to believe I have control over the outcomes in my life) , I also can't deny that I know many MANY dudes who actually " stepped up " , are taking great care of themselves, but due to primal factors they remain invincible to women. Its not like women now suddenly picking the " perfect partners" due to having the upperhand...

No feckboy, (pro) baller, musician/rapper , thug who is in jail or who dealing drugs is busy " doing chores " to be a better man. The cliches gotta be pulled out of the cabinet again: alpha get to BREAK the rules, beta gets more rules every time.

Look, statistically I believe only 40% of men reproduced anyway..but 40 % of a billion vs 40 % of 8billion people makes a HUGE difference already.

Eventually 60 % of men won't reproduce, and the other 40 will impregnate 80% of women..look around you and I bet these numbers are adding up in your own life and circle already..i can literally take 10 childhood homies, and only like 4 or 5 got kids,the rest won't ever.
 

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Article about Men needing to be better. The Article is copied and pasted below; long but quick read.


There was a Twitter thread that made the rounds about a year ago because it put forth a basic but daring premise: these days, men have to get women to like them, and a lot of men aren’t likable. The author of the tweet makes many good points. A few decades ago, women couldn’t get a bank account, buy a home, get a credit card, work outside the home, or get educated without a man to support them. There were exceptions for those with privilege, of course, but the vast majority of women needed a husband or father in their lives to allow them to get those things. And men, by and large, took this for granted. They relied on their wives for a lot of things — namely housework and child-rearing — that they didn’t want to do themselves, and in return, they gave their wives the ability to function in society.

A lot of older men these days grew up in this world, a world where women were reliant upon (and subservient to) their husbands, and they don’t like where things are going. And, unfortunately, they raised their sons to have a similar viewpoint, and the upshot is that there are a lot of guys out there who are looking for a wifey to do the housework, a mommy figure to take care of them, or both. However, these days women can function in society without men, and when you are the kind of guy that needs a woman to do all the housework for you, the number of women who will date you is vanishingly small. So, rather than date a bunch of crappy guys with no substance, a lot of women will stay single or date around until they find a guy that will meet their needs as well. Currently, women are in control of much of the dating scene because a lot of guys won’t take the steps to have any kind of basic decency in their relationships. Instead of being able to get a girlfriend and eventual wife simply by being a man, they actually have to be likable and have positive qualities. The sad truth is, a lot of guys are not likable in the slightest.

And again, look at the examples they grew up with. Lots of terrible, domineering fathers and grandfathers who were by all accounts terrible husbands to their wives and who passed that example onto their kids. These are grumpy, bitter old men who are upset that women these days have autonomy and don’t need men, and so they treat the women in their lives like garbage and set that example for their sons. Then their sons use terms like “old-fashioned” and “still believes in chivalry” to disguise both their misogyny and weird desire for a housekeeper who will give them sex on demand. And, surprise surprise, a lot of women don’t want to date people like that. So yeah, it turns out that when you’re unlikable for so many reasons, nobody wants to date you, and it’s all because women can function in society without men and no longer need to settle. And, rather than take this lesson to heart, a lot of guys gripe on the internet and become incels who feel like the world owes them a girlfriend.

If we lived in a just world, this would be more or less the end of it. As more men learned that women want decent guys who have substance and are willing to do chores, they would take that lesson, stop griping, and the world would be a better place. Incels would die out and fewer guys would be abusive jerks. Instead, a lot of the “old-fashioned” men are in positions of power and privilege, and a lot of their fathers and grandfathers are in similar positions as well as the government. The result is that the crappy old guys who think women shouldn’t have so much autonomy are in a position to take that autonomy away.

This is objectively terrible. The fact that there are men in modern-day America who want tradwives (traditional wives who do the whole “barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen” thing) is weird and kind of repulsive to me and many others. The fact that many of them run the government is horrifying. Guys, we need to step up and be better. Women are people who deserve autonomy over themselves and their bodies, and we need to recognize that very basic fact. I’m not even talking about just abortion here — I’m talking about access to contraception and the ability to marry or not marry who they want. I’m also talking about the ability to do things like “have a credit score” and “go to college” and “have a job” without some man having to give them permission as though they are lesser beings.

Women are not lesser beings who are subservient to men,
and the fact that a lot of men (and women) think so is baffling to me. A lot of it can be chalked up to the American Evangelical Christian movement, as it is such a domineering and patriarchal organization that it has indoctrinated so many to these damaging viewpoints under the guise of religion. However, there are also just a bunch of crappy guys out there who don’t know any better. Speaking as a man to other men, we have to be better. We need to be better partners, better husbands, better fathers, and better members of society. We need to teach the younger men in our lives to be better as well because future generations cannot carry this toxic mindset further if we want to survive as a species.

Women are people who deserve autonomy, and men need to step up and do better.
The fact that these are controversial takes for some people baffles me. Generally speaking, having more rights is better than having fewer, and the fact that some want to take rights away from women just because of their gender assigned at birth is mind-boggling.

Guys, I know we can do better than that. Let’s do better.

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Still gave you a like despite not fully agreeing. Why? Because the message to step up is one that cannot be repeated often enough.

On a individual level any man can and will benefit from stepping up. But as I just stated, I also see a large sum of actually decent men who are simply invincible to women , or feel like they don't ever stand a chance (anymore) and simply gave up on dating.

I do like how you highlighted the dynamic between generations, and how technological progression makes it possible for a 25 y.o man to still have (great) grand parents who are " married for 50 years." ( but almost NEVER his own parents)

BUT, at some point this image will be a tale of the past a, myth. Unless and/ or because;

- we get some HARD times ( war ,significant economic crises, natural disasters)
- mass immigration ( happens right now, the Muslims reproducing in the West like rabbits while the AVERAGE western man is childless)
- the most positive outcome: a generation of domestic men who grow up fully redpill again and swifting the culture back to ..traditionalism.

If the latter fails, imagine what the USA for example will look like in 200 years...i live in a white country, and the major cities been having more immigrants/ descendants from immigrants than white people for more than 20 years already I'm talking 75/25 EASILY..and that mainly started with immigration in the 70's. Before that time a person of colour was unheard of. Now being white in a major city is an exception rather than the norm.
 
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“Men need to step up and be better” so women can benefit from us men all the while women are doing the bare minimum.

Women project their insecurities and their gaslighting is received with a laughter from me.

Oh wait, you are serious? Let me laugh harder.
 

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Gynocentric social order drivel written by someone who is likely a male feminist. He doesn't give any specific ways for me to be better either.

these days, men have to get women to like them, and a lot of men aren’t likable. The author of the tweet makes many good points. A few decades ago, women couldn’t get a bank account, buy a home, get a credit card, work outside the home, or get educated without a man to support them. There were exceptions for those with privilege, of course, but the vast majority of women needed a husband or father in their lives to allow them to get those things. And men, by and large, took this for granted. They relied on their wives for a lot of things — namely housework and child-rearing — that they didn’t want to do themselves, and in return, they gave their wives the ability to function in society.
This was written in 2022. A few decades ago is more like five to six decades ago.

There were pre-1970 men in the United States that likely got partners because of cultural necessity. Women on an individual level needed men more prior to Second Wave Feminism altering the culture in the 1960s-1970s.

women can function in society without men and no longer need to settle.
This is narrow analysis. An individual woman can survive without having an individual man. However, a woman needs the collective of men to survive.

-The construction workers who constructed her home are male.
-If she needs home repair, the maintenance staff in an apartment are males. Other contractors in home repair are almost all male such as plumbers, electricians, and other laborers.
-The electrical power grid is mainly operated by males
-Her smartphone, her computer, and the internet infrastructure are largely due to male workers
-Waste management workers who remove her trash and recycle her recyclables are mainly males.
-Her transportation is likely due to males. If she drives a car, her car was manufactured by male workers. Majority male workers likely designed the car. If she takes public transportation, the trains/subway cars are also the result of male workers. When her car needs repair, the service advisors and auto mechanics are mainly male. The men who repair critical public transportation infrastructure are almost all male too.

Without the contributions of male workers, women could not survive in the world today. The world would be centuries behind without male workers. Females don't have the most critical jobs in the current culture.

a lot of guys gripe on the internet and become incels who feel like the world owes them a girlfriend.
The collective of males do a lot to make the culture function for women so their viewpoints are often justified.
 

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while the AVERAGE western man is childless
A good portion of the reason why a lot of Western men are childless is because Western women are ridiculously fussy due to their abundance.

In larger USA cities today, the typical 25-40 year old White woman with a bachelor's degree is super fussy. This segment of women is rejecting most men for longer term relationships and having non-reproductive sex with 'Chads'. Most of these White women are on birth control.

This is only one segment of the market, but this is the segment that I interact with the most.
 

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Even worse, it focuses agaiñ on just men.

Allthough the OP is somewhat inspiring and "my kinda language "( I like to believe I have control over the outcomes in my life) , I also can't deny that I know many MANY dudes who actually " stepped up " , are taking great care of themselves, but due to primal factors they remain invincible to women. Its not like women now suddenly picking the " perfect partners" due to having the upperhand...

No feckboy, (pro) baller, musician/rapper , thug who is in jail or who dealing drugs is busy " doing chores " to be a better man. The cliches gotta be pulled out of the cabinet again: alpha get to BREAK the rules, beta gets more rules every time.

Look, statistically I believe only 40% of men reproduced anyway..but 40 % of a billion vs 40 % of 8billion people makes a HUGE difference already.

Eventually 60 % of men won't reproduce, and the other 40 will impregnate 80% of women..look around you and I bet these numbers are adding up in your own life and circle already..i can literally take 10 childhood homies, and only like 4 or 5 got kids,the rest won't ever.
You don't get better for women, you get better for yourself.

If women find that more attractive that's a bonus, but you do it for you, not them.
 

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"And again, look at the examples they grew up with. Lots of terrible, domineering fathers and grandfathers who were by all accounts terrible husbands to their wives and who passed that example onto their kids"

And when we tried being empathetic and sensitive, these same women found us more undesirable than post-childbirth hemorrhoids
 

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A good portion of the reason why a lot of Western men are childless is because Western women are ridiculously fussy due to their abundance.
Yes.
Additionally most Western women are unfit for motherhood. I estimate less than a quarter are. How many does anyone here estimate can raise children properly?

If a man looks around, and sees the behavior of these women, he might realize that. I say might because many men lack psychological acuity or do not care and will fall for some of the most unhinged bltches to dip their wicks.

It’s not just hypergamy at work.
 
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Additionally most Western women are unfit for motherhood. I estimate less than a quarter are. How many does anyone here estimate can raise children properly?
Very few, especially in terms of educating their potential off-spring about the nuances of human sexuality. The corrosive influence of Wokeness/Intersectionality leads most modern women to screech "That's problematic!!!", whenever her fella suggests inviting the kids into the bedroom to watch, while Mummy and Daddy are boning
 
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