Men need to respect each other more.....

[Vulpine]

meh.

not everybody DESERVES respect. no amount of GIVING RESPECT will net you any if you're not worthy of it.

delta

Spoken like a true Californian.

 

[Delta]

thanks!

delta

 

[Vulpine]

Wow.

It's THAT bad.

Like "respect" is an obsolete idea... almost myth-like; an urban legend.

respect: (n.)

1. admiration for a person or entity because of perceived merit

2. regard for the rights of others; tolerance

3. (always plural): Polite greetings, often offered as condolences after a death.
The mourners paid their last respects to the deceased poet.

4. a particular aspect of something

You don't have to "admire" someone to respect them, merely acknowledge their existence and tolerate it. Respect is easy, and everyone does, indeed, deserve it.

There aren't any qualifications for being deserving of respect aside from the fact that a person exists on the same planet as you.

Perhaps your version of respect comes with a tossed-salad and a warm washcloth afterwords, Delta. If that's your deal, I respect that.

tolerate (v.)
1. To allow (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) to exist or occur without interference.

Maybe this thread should be "Men need to tolerate each other more..."

 

[Marseille]

There will always be men fighting men. Unfortunately, when most of us have a few drinks we think we are Tony Montana and invincible. Also there is our ego at stake. Its easy to sit on a internet chat board like this one and say dont do this and dont do that, and of course we have 20/20 hindsight, however, in reality, and in the heat of the moment, **** happens.

 

[Last Man Standing]

We can't control what women do. We can control what we do. If we'd quit hating on each other, women wouldn't have the power they do, and they wouldn't be as scandalous as they have come to be.

Of course men can control what women do!!!!! But you have effeminates and weak docile bastards amongst our youth - women don't follow those who are weaker than them!!! Be a man and lead and set all rules and the women will follow - they have no other choice!!!!!

 

[blueguy]

I opened a thread on amorality, and this subject has some resemblance to it.

Respect yourself first. Unfortunately, your interests aren't going to always be in alignment with others' interests.

respect: (n.)

1. admiration for a person or entity because of perceived merit

2. regard for the rights of others; tolerance

3. (always plural): Polite greetings, often offered as condolences after a death.
The mourners paid their last respects to the deceased poet.

4. a particular aspect of something

It depends on what "rights" the person wants... that's up to your own interpretation and whether you'll respect them.

 

[STR8UP]

So what some of you are saying is that if you met an absolutely AWESOME chick at work, and she had a d!ckhead boyfriend that is out every weekend cheating on her, and she took a liking to YOU, you're telling me that out of respect for this other guy you wouldn't man up and give her what she wants?

People, this is what most women DO. They trade up men like you trade up cars or apartments. You ain't gonna sell your car till you have another one to drive, and you certainly aren't gonna move out of your place until you know where you're going to be living next. And most women will hold onto the last fraying piece of thread of a relationship before they will call it quits without having another dude to protect their fragile emotions.

And I don't want to hear "a quality woman wouldn't do that". I don't buy that at all. All a chick has to do is claim that her man isn't doing this or that and society gives her a collective thumbs up to seek out greener grass, EVEN if she's still in a relationship. Society approves, no guilt. Face the facts....it's acceptable.

 

[joekerr31]

hmmmm. i liked your post str8up, but for me personally i have to differ in opinion.

ive had LOTS of women in relationships mack on me - developing a relationship with me over the course of months. if i wanted to bang them i could very very easily.

BUT

1) i live by the golden rule - do unto others as youd have them do unto you. as a result, id never steal some guys girl because i wouldnt want some guy stealing mine.
2) i don't believe in cheating, and although i technically wouldn't be cheating id be a part of that process.
3) there are plenty of single women out there
4) i have very little long term interest in a weak woman - and unfortunately, you are corrent, MOST women are very weak and do swing vine to vine.

so yes, this is how the world works for MOST people.

and this is also why, in my opinion, 50% of marriage end in divorce and another 40% are about as enjoyable as a root canal.

this is one of the things a man must contemplate in life. to go WITH the flow or go against it - theres nothing wrong with either, its merely a personal choice and the outcomes tend to vary.

but for me if a girl has a guy I'm not about to engage in the process of getting her to leave her guy.

on top of the reasons mentioned above, another one is that it gives her all the power. yes yes, in many ways it gives the man a lot of power also, but thats only temporary. as much as she left guy 1 for guy 2, she also knows that even though she wasn't available you wanted her sooo badly as to steal her from her man.

on top of that, both parties know, if only subconsciously that they can only trust each other so far as their "desires" allow them (which isn't the best form of trust long term. after about 2 years max it tends to result in no trust at all).

but at the end of the day who is to say what works and what doesn't.

all i know is im in search of a high quality woman and one who cheats on her boyfriend isn't high quality to me.

 

[STR8UP]

1) i live by the golden rule - do unto others as youd have them do unto you. as a result, id never steal some guys girl because i wouldnt want some guy stealing mine.

That's a great code to live by, and I would say that in pretty much every other area of my life I adhere to the same code.

But for some reason when it comes to women I don't feel the same sense of obligation to humanity or whatever that I feel in other areas (business, for example)

The way I see it, "love" is out and out, no holds barred WAR.

You've all heard the saying "all is fair in love and war". I think there's a lot of merit to those words. When you are fighting for your life there's no compassion for the enemy. It's do or die. In a sense it's the same with women. You are competing to ensure that your genes get passed on to future generations. Anyone can deny this by saying "We are humans, not animals, blah, blah" but at the end of the day we all do things for a reason.

3) there are plenty of single women out there
4) i have very little long term interest in a weak woman - and unfortunately, you are corrent, MOST women are very weak and do swing vine to vine.

Deep Dish and I were talking about this a little last night, and we both agreed that almost all women have SOMEONE in their life 99% of the time. They might not call the guy (or more often GUYS) their boyfriend, but rest assured when you start dating/fukking a new chick there is some guy out there who isn't too happy about it.

So where does one draw the line?

I can understand to a point wanting to respect boundaries when it comes to a marriage, but in today's world a "boyfriend" is only a step on the ladder to a woman.

It isn't your responsibility to determine the exact status of a chick's availability. Like I said, I could see wanting to stay away from the line when it has been drawn in the sand (although you know how easily a line in the sand can be washed away) in the form of a marriage, but with the abundance of "quasi relationships" out there there is just so much gray area that I can't see where one would make the distinction between "off limits" and "fair game"

this is one of the things a man must contemplate in life. to go WITH the flow or go against it - theres nothing wrong with either, its merely a personal choice and the outcomes tend to vary.

I'm all about writing your own rule book. I dunno though. Sometimes you don't make the rules and in order to get what you want out of the game you have to play by the same rulebook most other people play by.

on top of the reasons mentioned above, another one is that it gives her all the power. yes yes, in many ways it gives the man a lot of power also, but thats only temporary. as much as she left guy 1 for guy 2, she also knows that even though she wasn't available you wanted her sooo badly as to steal her from her man.

I agree, she is basically having her cake and eating it too. BUT....as far as you are concerned she only has as much power as you give her. That's why I wouldn't necessarily condone hooking up with someone else's woman for an LTR. Overall the odds are greater that it's gonna end bad if it starts out that way.

all i know is im in search of a high quality woman and one who cheats on her boyfriend isn't high quality to me.

True, true.

If I were actively seeking a long term thing I would be looking at things a little differently. Been burned myself, after all.