Men Don't Chase Women?

[Obsidian]

If all that women cared about were a man's beauty, muscles, and dollars, then there would be no such thing as social proof. Of course women are attracted to confidence. They don't think like men.

 

[Tenacity]

Good point. But remember, as entitled as some of these women may appear, it's still a marketplace. A sexual marketplace. The law of supply and demand dictates that although a HB6 may secure an guy 8; it would be only for sex purposes. The guy 8's actual value exceeds hers; so regardless of her perceived worth; she will eventually have to settle for a guy 6, as that is all she could attract for an LTR.

I think many of us men inflate our own value and thus assume that the woman's perceived value is inflated, when all along it was our own, lol.

Perfect example of this dynamic was 18 months ago when I was 225 lbs, 25% bodyfat, I was struggling with HB7s and thought they were "entitled" princesses. Today, at 190, 10% bf, HB9s chase and game me, and I don't see any entitlement issues whatsoever. The only thing that changed was me; not the game. Entirely different dynamic.

Our mindset does not increase our SMV; our looks/status/wealth (LSW) do for the most part. Game, the mindset, only augments and maintains attraction that is already present; it cannot create attraction. Attraction is not a conscious choice.

And of the LSW, the best among the three to attract is looks. Hugh Hefner's harem are not attracted to Hefner. They are attracted to their own possibility of becoming famous. Once they become famous; they're gone.

Guru,

Listen buddy, I understand your point but I still must ask a question man lol.

So your theory is that being the best GUY you can be, increases the quality of women you get? That is, fix your looks, wear better clothes, get your money right, workout and get in shape....etc, etc.

Then why in the hell are there so many single mothers out here, and the baby fathers are either one or ALL of these things:

- Broke
- HS drop outs
- Drug heads
- Convicted Criminals
- In and out of jail
- Unemployed
- Fat and out of shape
- Aspiring rappers at 40
- Multiple kids from multiple women and not fathering none of them
- Drug dealers
- Ebonics speaking buffoons

I keep hearing this notion that all a guy has to do is work on himself, be the best he can be, and quality women just fall out of the damn sky. I keep hearing this shyt lol.

But yet, that's not what I'm seeing. And the women I'm speaking of aren't just Tyquesha and Keisha from Detroit, I meet women like this all of the time and the guy I described is either their Baby Daddy or they JUST got out of a relationship with the guy.

And the women I meet, I wouldn't say they are HB 9s or 10s, but they damn sure aren't unattractive. I might pull a HB 8 here or there, on average I get about HB 6 or HB 7, which is solid right? And these women are dating THE GUYS I described above and the women are usually somewhat "decent" in terms of having their shyt together. Not all of them, but a good chunk of them.

 

[nismo-4]

If all that women cared about were a man's beauty, muscles, and dollars, then there would be no such thing as social proof. Of course women are attracted to confidence. They don't think like men.

Social proof is good, but confidence only goes so far. Confidence only works well and gets you women when they are already attracted to you.

Hell, anything and everything in the gray area (savoir faire, ambition, humor, game, personality, etc.) is super effective when the woman in question has a high IL and is attracted to you!

Conversely, if a woman doesn't like you and finds you unattractive, she will label all of the gray area sh*t stated above as unattractive and useless for you. At most, you will just be friends.

 

[foreverAFC]

i think women being attracted to confidence is bs for the most part, unless they are seeing confidence as something completely different than i am because i know plenty of hot females who are dating some of the weakest guys ive ever seen in my life, guys who are so weak inside they cant even look another man in the eyes when they pass by him in the hallway, guys who ooze weakness and insecurity

 

[guru1000]

Obsidian, social proof is encompassed within the lower echelon of status.

Tenacity, an unemployed, criminal, broke, out of shape, drug addict can still pull still 7s if he is a 7, unless he had other compensating SMV factors. When I was 32, I lost my wealth, business, and professional licenses, and in debt over half-mil. So to the affluent community or most communities for that matter, I was considered a "loser." I wasn't born exceptionally good-looking, model material. My personality was a little bland. I had no game. But , I had an exceptional physique at the time and was still pulling 8s and 9s from affluent families. Doesn't contradict the LSW notion.

It's a sexual marketplace. Like other market places, to compete you have to provide sexual value to some end.

 

[zekko]

If all that women cared about were a man's beauty, muscles, and dollars, then there would be no such thing as social proof. Of course women are attracted to confidence. They don't think like men.

Women like confidence, but they want a good looking man who is confident. The fact that women wouldn't know real confidence if it bit them in the @ss also confuses things. I think what impresses women is bold action. They get that jaw dropped, "wow, that took guts!" look.

And the women I meet, I wouldn't say they are HB 9s or 10s, but they damn sure aren't unattractive. I might pull a HB 8 here or there, on average I get about HB 6 or HB 7, which is solid right? And these women are dating THE GUYS I described above and the women are usually somewhat "decent" in terms of having their shyt together. Not all of them, but a good chunk of them.

If a woman is dating a drug dealer ex-convict, can you really say that they have their shyt together? Just because a woman is attractive, that doesn't make her smart.

Perfect example of this dynamic was 18 months ago when I was 225 lbs, 25% bodyfat, I was struggling with HB7s and thought they were "entitled" princesses. Today, at 190, 10% bf, HB9s chase and game me, and I don't see any entitlement issues whatsoever. The only thing that changed was me; not the game. Entirely different dynamic.

That makes it sound like, although you've been here since 2007, you haven't hit real success until just recently, when you developed your male model physique. Or do I read that wrong?

Mind you, I can't relate to your numbers. The way I rate women, I have only met maybe two women I would consider HB9s in my entire life. And in retrospect, I think I'm downgrading one of those to an 8.7. I consider the vast, vast majority of attractive women to be 7s or 8s. And 10s don't exist.

 

[guru1000]

Zekko, I've been in good shape since my early 20s. In my 30s, when I was married, I got fat and stopped working out. Post-divorce, I entered the sexual market place fat. Whole new ballgame.

I relate an HB9 as a girl who is ALWAYS the hottest girl in the room. I live in NYC; many hot women here, though I've never met a 10.

 

[zekko]

Zekko, I've been in good shape since my early 20s. In my 30s, when I was married, I got fat and stopped working out.

Hmm, I didn't realize you had been married. Well, you learn something every day. And I'm sure there are a lot of hot women in New York.

 

[Suspens]

He claims he will go into a club and get approached, because of his attitude and his body language. I could be wrong, but he doesn't look like a male model or bodybuilder type to me.

Yep but he does look like a guy who has all the qualities, LMS.

 

[Tenacity]

Obsidian, social proof is encompassed within the lower echelon of status.

Tenacity, an unemployed, criminal, broke, out of shape, drug addict can still pull still 7s if he is a 7, unless he had other compensating SMV factors. When I was 32, I lost my wealth, business, and professional licenses, and in debt over half-mil. So to the affluent community or most communities for that matter, I was considered a "loser." I wasn't born exceptionally good-looking, model material. My personality was a little bland. I had no game. But , I had an exceptional physique at the time and was still pulling 8s and 9s from affluent families. Doesn't contradict the LSW notion.

It's a sexual marketplace. Like other market places, to compete you have to provide sexual value to some end.

Lol, but man listen I have to show you some of these social media profiles that chicks send me. No homo, but there's no way in hell these dudes are sexual beasts or just "look so good their other qualities are overlooked".

What do you consider a HB9 btw? Is it looks only or the total package? If we are going strictly on looks, I would say an Ashanti, or Beyonce, or Lauren London is a HB9 and up. HB 6 - HB 8 might be an Ericka Hubbard or Nia Long (Nia Long back when she was hot) or Jada Pickett (back when she was hot). I know those are all black women but I'm just saying lol.

 

[Tenacity]

If a woman is dating a drug dealer ex-convict, can you really say that they have their shyt together? Just because a woman is attractive, that doesn't make her smart.

I agree, but maybe it's the women I'm dating, I date mostly black women and this is almost like THE NORM with black women even those in the Middle Class.

 

[skinnyguy]

Two schools of thought when it comes to hot women:

1) Act really aggressive, use game
2) Act aloof as if you have a lot of options and don't give a fvck about Her

I don't know which is right, but I do know that pursuing women constantly makes one feel like an AFC. A true DJ doesn't need to approach much; for example I doubt NBA players talk to random girls at clubs they usually have a table and the hot girls come to them.

The thing is acting aloof will lead to fewer opportunities so I understand the need to be aggressive.

 

[guru1000]

Lol, but man listen I have to show you some of these social media profiles that chicks send me. No homo, but there's no way in hell these dudes are sexual beasts or just "look so good their other qualities are overlooked".

What do you consider a HB9 btw? Is it looks only or the total package? If we are going strictly on looks, I would say an Ashanti, or Beyonce, or Lauren London is a HB9 and up. HB 6 - HB 8 might be an Ericka Hubbard or Nia Long (Nia Long back when she was hot) or Jada Pickett (back when she was hot). I know those are all black women but I'm just saying lol.

• Ashanti: 5-6
• Beyonce: 8-8.5 when she is/was skinny
• Lauren London: 6.5-7

A 9 to me would be Megan Fox.

Tenacity, I've spoke to you at length and seen your pictures at the H&F. You are currently 175 lbs, 17-18%, good base though chest needs more development, and you are currently attracting 6s.

Here's my challenge to you: Put on 15-20 lbs of muscle and lose 15-20 lbs of fat so your net weight is 175-180 lbs., 10% bf, cut your hair (lol), and tighten your wardrobe--and you will be attracting 8s with ease. Prove me wrong. I would be willing to wager monetarily on this challenge if you or anyone wishes to.

 

[Tenacity]

Guru,

Megan Fox is a 9 to you buddy lol? She has no a.ss though and she's boney lol. I like a chick with some hips, thighs and a.ss! Megan would be a 6 or 7 to me based solely on her face only, to me and Lauren London would be a HB 9 because she has the face and the body.

I'm making those updates but yeah, I mostly pull the HB6s on average, but then again I run into some HB8's every now and then. I think I have had 2 HB 9's. But then again this is based on my own measurement, what's a HB 6 to me might be a HB 9 to someone else, and vice versa.

Two schools of thought when it comes to hot women:

1) Act really aggressive, use game
2) Act aloof as if you have a lot of options and don't give a fvck about Her

I don't know which is right, but I do know that pursuing women constantly makes one feel like an AFC. A true DJ doesn't need to approach much; for example I doubt NBA players talk to random girls at clubs they usually have a table and the hot girls come to them.

The thing is acting aloof will lead to fewer opportunities so I understand the need to be aggressive.

I don't know about you, but if I don't approach a chick, then nothing is going to pop off. The only way I would have legions of chicks approaching ME was if I was a celebrity of some sort, even a small local one. Other than that, I have to approach chicks.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

Lol, but man listen I have to show you some of these social media profiles that chicks send me. No homo, but there's no way in hell these dudes are sexual beasts or just "look so good their other qualities are overlooked".

What do you consider a HB9 btw? Is it looks only or the total package? If we are going strictly on looks, I would say an Ashanti, or Beyonce, or Lauren London is a HB9 and up. HB 6 - HB 8 might be an Ericka Hubbard or Nia Long (Nia Long back when she was hot) or Jada Pickett (back when she was hot). I know those are all black women but I'm just saying lol.

Were does Megan Goode fit into your rating system? What about Serena Williams? What about "sweetness" on a female? You know itll make your **** harder than a ball breaking b1tch.

 

[nismo-4]

Two schools of thought when it comes to hot women:

1) Act really aggressive, use game
2) Act aloof as if you have a lot of options and don't give a fvck about Her

I don't know which is right, but I do know that pursuing women constantly makes one feel like an AFC. A true DJ doesn't need to approach much; for example I doubt NBA players talk to random girls at clubs they usually have a table and the hot girls come to them.

The thing is acting aloof will lead to fewer opportunities so I understand the need to be aggressive.

Well, you have to be aggressive with hot chicks. Lots of guys do. Especially when the myth of hot girls don't get approached often was proven false years ago.

NBA players can just show up to a club and women will flock to them. That's money talking, and tangible clout. How many guys on this post can do that?

I was aloof at a club that had hot models in it, though it didn't attract them. Aloofness only works when you're attractive or some celebrity. I see a lot of men turn their aloofness up to eleven in clubs. One time, I was in a club and maybe only 3 guys approached women. Every other guy paid women little to no attention. Most of these guys would have ended up as orbiters anyway.

A woman has to have a high IL in you for your game and confidence to work. I have a girl who has quite a crush on me, she gets closer when I start playing or making jokes about candy crush.

When women describe what qualities they want in a man, especially in magazines, they want a sexually attractive rich man with all of these things like humor, confidence, personality, etc.

 

[devilkingx2]

chasing implies that the other person is running, that's why you shouldn't do it, it shouldn't even be a chase, a hunt maybe, but not a chase.

chasing implies you're trying your hardest to woo someone who couldn't care less, that's the only reason you'd need to try your hardest, otherwise you'd put in minimal/normal effort for your results.

don't ever chase, if you have to chase then they're too far gone for it to be worth the effort anyway.

the exception is at the very beginning when they don't know you, chasing there is acceptable. aside from that then you shouldn't do it.

 

[zekko]

Yep but he does look like a guy who has all the qualities, LMS.

It appears that he dresses well, or like a businessman at least, so that might suggest money and status. He looks like he may be tall, and I'll take his word for it that he has good body language. But I don't see how his looks are anything more than average. I'm no great judge of male attractiveness, but he looks pretty average to me.

 

[guru1000]

Zekko, could be social status. He may go out socially with a cavalry of brown-nosing students and cameras.

 

[zekko]

Zekko, could be social status. He may go out socially with a cavalry of brown-nosing students and cameras.

Maybe he stuffs a cucumber in his pants.