EyeBRollin
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Nationality is not analogous to skin color or gender.
Maybe there is some hope...Millenials and Gen Z think women's rights have "gone too far"
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People like Phil Scott, a black social media newscaster having a few channels is encouraging all black Americans (and those in white dominated western countries) to get their affairs in order, get their passports and buy land and house in Africa, Carribean or a black country as insurance if things get real ugly in the US.
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Just move to SF:
qctimes.com
San Francisco to air Black reparations plan — $5M payment to each eligible person
The $5 million-per-person payment is among more than 100 recommendations ranging from offering grants to buy and maintain homes to exempting Black businesses from paying taxes.
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Did you not read the article?Just move to SF:
San Francisco to air Black reparations plan — $5M payment to each eligible person
The $5 million-per-person payment is among more than 100 recommendations ranging from offering grants to buy and maintain homes to exempting Black businesses from paying taxes.
A black person has to prove they actually lived in San Francisco during a specific time period. The $5 million is also just an arbitrary number pulled out of the ass.
I saw the Evanston, IL proposal. Their “reparations” only go to blacks (or their immediate descendants) who lived or tried to live in Evanston, IL decades ago and we’re discriminated against. And it’s not cash to pocket payouts, it is more specific things like down payment grants on a house or home repair. Only in Evanston.
Socialism is the answer. Money, Capitalism, Feudalism and Patriarchy (control/objectification of women) is the cause of all of this.
Note how the Scandinavian poster said he never experienced this in his country growing up.
Live in a system where everyone is given a job, housing, basic amenities etc. Jobs dont need to be super-hard, most work throughout most of history wasnt as stressful as the average job today. There was not much competition on those days. We definitely can have a productive (more than currently) economy within a social system. Centralised job allocation is superior to market driven job allocation.
A smarter person doesnt need to get better living standards than an average person. If they do the diff doesnt need to be much. The best guys can drive BMW while average guys driving fords is enough differentiation, it doesnt need to go to bugattis and ferraris, with others being homeless, that much difference has no value.
Most ppl work hard and are motivated by appreciation, acknowledgement and social status, not stuff. Stuff is there for aknowledgement of personal value in todays workd, but that acknowledgement can simply be given by the system, ie guys doing good for society will simply be acknowledged and be able to walk with their head up, glory, self-esteem etc.
Capitalism causes a chaotic system where everyone is unhappy, this results in ethnic and identity conflucts as everyone blames other groups for their misery. Note the current British press how they used the very few boat crossing migrants to stirr up hatred by the hard-right working classes, who blame migrants for their unhappy lives even though it is the system not (directly) the migrants causing this, although migration (on a larger scale) is also a problem contributing to the chaotic and broken system.
Reparations in the current system will only make things worse, it is not the solution at all.
Note how the Scandinavian poster said he never experienced this in his country growing up.
Live in a system where everyone is given a job, housing, basic amenities etc. Jobs dont need to be super-hard, most work throughout most of history wasnt as stressful as the average job today. There was not much competition on those days. We definitely can have a productive (more than currently) economy within a social system. Centralised job allocation is superior to market driven job allocation.
A smarter person doesnt need to get better living standards than an average person. If they do the diff doesnt need to be much. The best guys can drive BMW while average guys driving fords is enough differentiation, it doesnt need to go to bugattis and ferraris, with others being homeless, that much difference has no value.
Most ppl work hard and are motivated by appreciation, acknowledgement and social status, not stuff. Stuff is there for aknowledgement of personal value in todays workd, but that acknowledgement can simply be given by the system, ie guys doing good for society will simply be acknowledged and be able to walk with their head up, glory, self-esteem etc.
Capitalism causes a chaotic system where everyone is unhappy, this results in ethnic and identity conflucts as everyone blames other groups for their misery. Note the current British press how they used the very few boat crossing migrants to stirr up hatred by the hard-right working classes, who blame migrants for their unhappy lives even though it is the system not (directly) the migrants causing this, although migration (on a larger scale) is also a problem contributing to the chaotic and broken system.
Reparations in the current system will only make things worse, it is not the solution at all.
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Most people use communist dictatorships and failed states as examples of socialism. You mean a slighly more left western capitalism. Maybe have a min income standard.
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Communism was a failure. IMO it came too soon, and also was too centralised. The problem with Communism IMO is that it tried to compete with Capitalism, for example, Space exploration, olympics, etc. But the thing is Capitalism is good at moving fast and getting things done quickly and Socialism is slower more deeper and longer term progress. Communism lost imo cause they saw themselves in compeition with Capitalism, but you cannot be above or superior to something that you see as competition.
It needs to more like localised, anarcho-socalism. Free Markets and Compeition are important things to enable progress, but it needs to happen in wholistic systems. So compeition would exist within local towns and cities. Towns and cities would give ppl jobs and provide all the basic amenities. People can only choose which town or city to live in. The most successful local system of job allocation, productivity, human life experience would grow and then that is how ppl lives and technical, economic output would also improve.
Currenly ppl are having to make too many individual choices ie get a job, education, buy this, buy that, and there are too many choices and thus too many scams and frauds and too much manipulation of the population who doesnt have the time or the abilitiy to make good decisions. We want ppl only to choose which town/city they live in, then the local settlement with the best system will grow and others will follow that system.
Its like this:
Today:
What to study/cost/benefit
What Job to get
Get paid -> money in bank
decide-> which food/clothing/car/insurance/tech etc to buy -> disappointed here, scammed over there,
Take money out of bank and pay for items.
Check bank account see whats left.
Repeat x 1million in lifetime. Then think about how many of these monetary transactions make you feel good vs bad.
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Choose to live in town1 vs town2. Town1 you get this, Town2 you get that. 30hrs work a week, vs 45hrs work a week. One decision only.
Choose where to live. Follow the system of that town. Work is allocated, everything else is provided, there are some options but not too many. Dont like it move to Town2.
Town1 and Town2 are looking at providing humans the best possible wholistic life experience. They give you some money that you can save up for when you wanna leave the town or buy something outside, so you only need to check your bank account every few months or so. No bills, no paying, no calculations, no being scammed.
Your only major choice in life, do i live in town1 system or town2 system.
Towns want ppl as human capital is how IT MAKES MONEY and grows. They give you a job and profit from your work. They need money and ppl, money from the market, but to get ppl they are incenitivised to give you a good quality of life. No one in todays system is incentivised to give you a good quality of life, because that is a wholistic concept and no one can change the whole country at once cos it is an experiment or learning process and too risky at a large national scale. Currently capitalism can only provide individual things ie products but they do not add up to a wholistic life exp.
So no one currently can look at a person whole life exp, just little products they get, but that is not really important. National politics is too big to make these risky moves and not everyone will agree so it has to come about in small scale settlements.
Today:
What to study/cost/benefit
What Job to get
Get paid -> money in bank
decide-> which food/clothing/car/insurance/tech etc to buy -> disappointed here, scammed over there,
Take money out of bank and pay for items.
Check bank account see whats left.
Repeat x 1million in lifetime. Then think about how many of these monetary transactions make you feel good vs bad.
VS
Choose to live in town1 vs town2. Town1 you get this, Town2 you get that. 30hrs work a week, vs 45hrs work a week. One decision only.
Choose where to live. Follow the system of that town. Work is allocated, everything else is provided, there are some options but not too many. Dont like it move to Town2.
Town1 and Town2 are looking at providing humans the best possible wholistic life experience. They give you some money that you can save up for when you wanna leave the town or buy something outside, so you only need to check your bank account every few months or so. No bills, no paying, no calculations, no being scammed.
Your only major choice in life, do i live in town1 system or town2 system.
Towns want ppl as human capital is how IT MAKES MONEY and grows. They give you a job and profit from your work. They need money and ppl, money from the market, but to get ppl they are incenitivised to give you a good quality of life. No one in todays system is incentivised to give you a good quality of life, because that is a wholistic concept and no one can change the whole country at once cos it is an experiment or learning process and too risky at a large national scale. Currently capitalism can only provide individual things ie products but they do not add up to a wholistic life exp.
So no one currently can look at a person whole life exp, just little products they get, but that is not really important. National politics is too big to make these risky moves and not everyone will agree so it has to come about in small scale settlements.
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If socialism was such a great system, you would expect successful, hard-working people to be advocating for it. But that never happens. Instead, it's always losers and lazy bums who don't have two cents to their name who are preaching the virtues of socialism. Fvck that. Anyone who likes socialism can move to Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea (among others). And contrary to popular belief, Scandinavian countries are not socialist. Not even close.
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Why is this limited to black people? What about those who were discriminated against for being Irish, Italian, Asian or Jewish? How about people who were/are discriminated against for being ugly, too short, socially awkward, etc.? What about people who were bullied at school? Why shouldn't they get reparations? What about victims of physical and sexual abuse? How about if your parents didn't love you when you were a kid? This whole reparations thing is scam designed to exploit woke obsession with black victimhood.
With regards to that I am not talking about extreme socialism, I did say in my post Free Movement of Capital is an important thing, even in more socialist systems. Whats important about Socialism and why its needed is that ppl need to be provided with wholistic solutions, not individual parts. I'd rather someone give me a job and a place to live, rather than getting a job and having to find my own place, cos the latter is more work than the former.
Nowadays living standards have improved since the 50s and most humans dont really care much about money as long as they make a decent standard of living. Esp women since the 50s really dont care about mens money as in those days interpersonal relationships were not important but today women care more about what you are rather than what you have. This is likely to increase further and then we will see men and women looking for easy jobs that leave more time and energy for social and relationship stuff, cos that stuff is more complex these days and requires more work, and humans only have limited capacity.
'Hardworking successful people' is just boomer talk imo young ppl dont talk like that these days. Men are gonna have to work hard in relationships in the future and even for those 'hard-working successful' men when women dont respect their achievements im sure they will learn that no one gives a ****. Maybe think about morality and whther the work is right rather than hard.
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I don't even know how to respond to this. You want the government to give you a job and a placer to live? Do you want the government to suck your d!ck too?
Living standards have increased since the 50's? Certainly not in the West. In the 1950's, an American male with a high school education could get a decent job and support himself, his stay-at-home wife, 2-3 kids, have a house, two cars, the whole American dream suburban lifestyle. In the 2020's, you have couples where both husband and wife are college-educated and employed, and yet they are barely scraping by, unable to afford a home, and have 0-1 kids because having kids is do damn expensive these days. You call this an improvement?
How many people in the 1950's were addicted to drugs, had serious mental health issues, or were morbidly obese? Not many. You look at pictures from the 50's and 60's and it's amazing how healthy, normal and human the subjects look. There has been an enormous decline in the standard of living for the average person in the West over the past 50-60 years.
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Who's going to pay for it?
The American people?
USA is a poor country https://usdebtclock.org/ and have the largest debt in the history of mankind which cannot be repaid to its lenders.
And if even they made that payment of reparations, you will all pay no matter what color you have on your skin in form of higher taxes and higher inflation, higher prices of everything because US government can only pay by printing more money of which it has none.
Defund the police to pay for it.
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Socialism is not the answer. Capitalism is the answer.
There have been times where I have not gotten jobs and lesser qualified minorities were hired, often times a minority female. That's institutional oppression and discrimination.
I have been denied college admission when I know for a fact that lesser qualified minorities got the admission I sought. That's institutional oppression and discrimination.
This is not imagined. These things actually happened to me.
Look, its simple, icba with all these different individual decisions and responsibilities and numerous little problems and issues. Back in the days ppl didnt have these issues and hence didnt have to waste their lifetime with all this admin, stupid decision making etc. Cos we have more products these days we have to make more and more purchasing decisions and its all meh icba.
Get a job, ie go apply to loads of companies, this job is commute 30mins, another 1hr, latter pays 20% more is it worth it I dunno. Take job. Money in bank. Go find a room to rent, this one is bigger by 10% but charges 15% extra hmmm is that a wise financial decision let me look it up on my space/price app well it says for the financial savvy investor who is 6ft2 15% extra for 10% more room is good money management but not for a 5ft8 guy, ok. Pay rent. OK now im out money due to deposit cant get food. Let me go bank get loan. Calculate interest is it a good deal m friend got it at 2% but they charge me 5% fvck that but wat can i do? Get loan. Money in bank. Now take money from Bank to Shop to get food. Shop charges 10% more than further away shop hmm is that financially wise let me ask Warren Buffet 10% over 10years whats the compound interest I dont wanna be a sucker gotta make responsible choices.
But you see what Im saying. Just to get a roof over your head and food in your belly, there is like 50 little decisions you have to make and it all takes time and effort and one mistake and you feel like a fool got played. At the end of the day we all mostly want the same things all this running around between different providers take a lot of time and effort and we are just stuck in the middle of different providers (gov, education, work, shops, banks etc) trying to make a life out of putting all these little individual things into a whole.
The Capitalism system is making ppl feel like ****, its the feeling of absolute powerlessness against the power of the job market without any real collective worker bargaining, the extreme competition amongst workers it creates, the feeling of worthlessness and anxiety and fear that I hear about so much these days esp from women, it is all coming from this system that just wants to extract money from each other and nothing else matters. Thats why theres drugs and related issues.
I mean technology and basic standards have increased such as the ghettos seem safer and absolute poverty is much lower. But other than that I think you are making my point for me. Capitalism in UK/US is at all time highs and look where it got us. I used to have your views that women should be in the home not the workplace but I imagine pigs would fly before we see the return of that so socialism or men reducing their workforce participation are probably better solutions.
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With respect, I don't think you understand what capitalism is. Capitalism in the UK and US was at an all time high at the turn of the 20th century (i.e. over 100 years ago). We are way past peak capitalism. What we have today is called "crony capitalism", which is actually a type of socialism. It's when the government and large corporations (i.e. Hollywood, the media, banks, etc.) work hand in hand to push social agendas and fvck people over.
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Since the 50s, the rich have gotten richer, and tbh those actual rich are probably still mostly white men not females, or minorities, so its just the same ppl on top, whether they r using minorities or females to get power is not the point. Ofcourse its capitalism if the rich have been getting richer and rest poorer, it can only be stopped with gov intervention. I mean how much money does gates, bezos, musk etc have? If things have gotten bad since the 50s you just have to ask is there more or less capitalism and the answer is have the rich got richer and is there greater inequality and the answer seems to be yes.
Whether a few minorities get better jobs or there are more black/trans leads in hollywood is not really important imo, It is just about the rich getting richer while the rest of us have more expensive housing, less pay, worse jobs etc