Maybe...its the way we game

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After being here on awhile and looking at countless threads of posters complaining about the low quality of women we are pulling, I can't help but see that the common denominator is us. Surely we are doing something to attract these low quality b!tches.

Things like negging, not calling for 3 days after a date, prey on the insecurities of not only women but people in general. With these manipulative tactics, do they not only work on the similar manipulative women that we choose to avoid?

What are your thoughts?
 

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When you truly reach DJ mindset, you're not going to rely on tactics. You have your life, you're living it, and women and their attention are secondary and unnecessary.

As Steve McQueen said, "I live for myself and I answer to no one." That's where you want to get.
 

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Has far more to do with the pond we're fishing in than the bait we're using.

At its essential level all game is is prioritizing your own value and happiness over the value and happiness of any women you interact with. If it feels unnatural or manipulative, it's only because you don't believe in your own value--otherwise you'd do this type of thing without even being cognizant of it.

Since DJ's play the number game and there's a significant preponderance of low quality women, of course we're going to run into those types more often. And no guy posts on SoSuave because they've found a girl who respects them and treats them the way they want to be treated.

But most guys' idea of a 'quality woman' is one with whom they can play out a blue pill fantasy with and not have to make a concerted effort to be their best self. That woman doesn't exist. Even a virgin with stable parents and a feminine mindset will turn into a raging monkey-branching b1tch if you let her (of course it'll take longer and you'll have more margin of error). Does that make her low quality or you?
 

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After being here on awhile and looking at countless threads of posters complaining about the low quality of women we are pulling, I can't help but see that the common denominator is us. Surely we are doing something to attract these low quality b!tches.

Things like negging, not calling for 3 days after a date, prey on the insecurities of not only women but people in general. With these manipulative tactics, do they not only work on the similar manipulative women that we choose to avoid?

What are your thoughts?
Do you think a lot of high quality men stay around in this forum giving out their quality advice? Or do you think they are busy mostly living out their own lives in the real world? If so, then what do you make of all the posters that seem to be here daily or even hourly posting back to random posts.

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1. These manipulative tactics work better than whatever we did as an AFC.
2. It doesn't pull high quality, but at least it pulls something as opposed to the previous nothing.
3. High quality women aren't idiots, that's why they're high quality and why those tactics won't work.
4. Insecure women aren't high quality, their insecurity causes rather than solves problems.
5. The one's having success on here are the one's giving solid and sound advice, not the ones having to follow it.
6. I had success when I found my own way, not when I followed what randoms guys on the internet told me.
7. The "rules" you list sometimes work and sometimes not, most likely they didn't matter at all for the woman.
8. Like attracts like, you get what you are. (The law of attraction is only woo-woo beyond a certain point)

These are my immediate thoughts. It makes sense that some guys find this type of advice amazing considering their backgrounds as AFC's, and the fact that it works better than before. It's an improvement, but we should always strive to improve further and not stagnate at this crude unrefined level. There are ways to get women without the use of simple manipulative tactics and without having to revert to becoming AFC's. If we refine ourselves enough we can become so awesome we attract awesome, not because we just play a game but because awesome is what we've become.

A man who knows he's high quality will want high quality. A woman who knows she's high quality will also want high quality. To get a high quality woman we gotta be high quality ourselves, they don't settle for less just as we wouldn't. This means we have to possess the qualities we look for in others. Tricks are like magic tricks, it looks like something but what's happening is not what it looks like. Tricks are deceit, while magic tricks and similar illusions are entertaining it's not as fun to be a fake or to be with a fake.

So maybe it's the fact that we game at all that's the problem, perhaps because we aren't or don't think we are good enough to be real. The former is when we truly aren't good enough, when we don't live up to the standards we hold others to. The latter is the confidence issue, when we're by most standards good enough and don't give ourselves credit for it. Playing games (deceiving and manipulating) can pull us from the group that doesn't think they're good enough to the group that truly aren't good enough, because lying is of lesser quality. So what we should strive towards is being real and being unapologetically proud of it.
 
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You will never find a high quality women in a Club neither a Bar but instead in a Library!
Girls that go Clubbing are there just for one reason to get BANGED..
 

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Nah man, they have tramp stamps here too.
I think the point is that when you just find low quality it could be because you're not being where high quality is found. That they're at places you don't go, maybe because those places are outside the comfort zone. Surprisingly many highly uncomfortable people have their comfort zone in a club, they can hide in the dark, among the people packed in there with flashing lights to distract. The typical type of people who go to a club aren't usually the type you'd find in a bright and silent library, it's contrasting environments. However, people hide themselves behind books as well and a library isn't exactly a gathering spot for social people.

Still the point is you're unlikely to find them in a club, looking other places isn't a bad idea.
 
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Its not the females.. Its you guys. You dudes act like 3 or 4s at best. Its not even about any type of don juan mindset or any playbook. Playbooks and things like the DJ bible are only there to help.

The guys who get all the chicks.. The real don juans.. Simply never expect anything. They are not about pleasing the women.. They are about enjoying themselves and being pleased with experiences that come out of it. Howver they are highly aware of the women and what turns her off and on because they, like women, know how to gauge a person of the opposite sex and see what makes them laugh, what makes their knees buckle and what irritates them. Utilizing this info they are able to create attraction and rapport.

If shes not your friend within the first 10 mins of you talking then youre always a stranger. Some of you expect to become lovers when you cant even get a girl comfortable with you.

Get yourselfs in check.. Its not the women. Its you.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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I've reached the stage in my life where I don't see the need to 'game' women any more. It worked well in my 20s when i was figuring out male female dynamics. For now it's achieving the most out of my life with or without women.

It's about time we took responsibility for our actions and stop putting the blame on women. You get to choose who you date or marry. If she posses the qualities you like in a mate, keep her. If not, next. Staying in the grey area will only cause more issues in the long run.
 

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Well... Were you able to attract a high quality woman when you were an AFC?
As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Naïve, inexperienced men will have AFC traits, which do not work. So they decide to go to the opposite extreme, which is to become a douchebag. It just depends on what you want. If you want to live a PUA lifestyle, then yeah the girls who are going to help you make that happen are going to be low quality slvt types.

The problem with AFCs is that they are weak. Get rid of the weaknesses, build up your strengths. Women are attracted to strength, that's what they desire in a male. You don't need to be a douchebag PUA. I agree with the OP, if you act like a douchebag you're going to attract a certain type of female.
 

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I think the best way is to be a benevolent dictator.
Agreed, which is another way of saying be a strong, but fair, leader. PUAs push the leader bit, and the strong bit, but they tend to leave out the "fair". A man must be firmly grounded in himself, that's what a woman looks for. She wants a rock that will stand firm in a storm. If you have a foundation made of sand, you're going to be washed away. If you can't help yourself, you can't be of help to her.
 

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A man who knows he's high quality will want high quality. A woman who knows she's high quality will also want high quality. To get a high quality woman we gotta be high quality ourselves, they don't settle for less just as we wouldn't. This means we have to possess the qualities we look for in others.

Hope I did that whole pasting in someone's quote properly...first time trying that...if not apologies!

Become your best self. Period. It doesn't matter who you are or where you came from. Be empowered in your own life. Water always seeks its own level. It gets said all the time because it is a basic truth. People who have accomplished something actually truthfully think differently than people who have not. People who are out doing things have learned how to harness their own personal power and it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle of "Gee THAT was cool (or not)... let's try THIS" while other people who are too afraid to try anything stand around uncomfortable because they cannot wrap their thought process around just DOING something. They worry about failure, they worry about saying the right thing, they worry about screwing up, doing it wrong...they worry themselves into inaction. INACTION is the problem. In business, in life, in interpersonal relationships, in everything.

Once you are a person who goes red pill and becomes empowered in your own life it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to undo. You can't unknow the truth once you have seen it. But good luck convincing others who don't have the courage to embark on the journey to find what the truth is. People can't believe in it until they grow the courage to DO it. Some people go faster down the path than others. Your entire outlook on people changes once you understand your own intrinsic value, make your own internal valuation. It changes EVERYTHING.

This gets back to "game" that you guys talk about. Inner game is the goal. Life game. Once you have inner game or life game you no longer need "game" or PUA or anything because you will emanate solidity of self in everything you do. People will be drawn to you all the time. You will speak with authority and people will listen. You will succeed in social settings because you don't care what other people think of you, you will attain success because you decide to and so on.

Think of it like this. Do not be fearful of the fire. Go through it. When you come out the other end you are changed. You are forged in the flames. You no longer fear because you know and understand how the fire will refine you. You learn to welcome it even though it is at times a hard process. Now you know what you are made of. Now you know who you ARE..And you will never be able to look at people who fear the fire the same way again. You can't.

At that point you look for other people who are also forged and refined in the flame. You can recognize that in others having been through it yourself. It is NOT gobbledegook (and if you think it is you are unwilling to endure the fire.)

I am only willing now to be involved with a man who has been through the fire because I have done so myself. I can't relate to someone who hasn't. The unattached men in that group are a small percentage of men generally speaking. The women who have done it on their own are an even smaller percentage (and I know there are men who have faced the fire WITH a woman alongside them for the process, forging them both, and I would suggest this is the ideal scenario in relationship) but not everyone is so fortunate.

For myself I enjoy people immensely, I enjoy men as people very much, and I am content to spend time by myself or with others (men or women). My value comes from within me and it confirmed by me. I am positive. I am never intimidated by anyone, and in my confidence I am happy for others to enjoy the limelight. I appreciate recognition but do not require it for my value. It is a liberating sense of being.

I like this forum for several reasons

1. I can see what other "forged" people have to say about handling different situations and be reminded that they DO exist (they can be rare to find day-to-day)
2. I can contribute where appropriate to help others see the potential in themselves and uplift others
3. I can encourage others to face the fire in their own lives and I can be reminded of the value of my own journey
4. Its an entertaining group
5. I can gain perspective about relationships and life that I would not otherwise have, which adds value for me as a woman and a mother of a teenage son
6. I can ask for advice from people with different perspectives if a situation arises that I am unsure of the best course of action and I can see various viewpoints
 
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