Martial Arts!

[Saine]

Re: Re: Re: too aggressive!

Originally posted by Serialized3
Right, so you're saying you've done 4 years of martial arts and you STILL don't get it. I know for a fact that karate, kung-fu, and ninjutsu all preach the "flight before fight" method of life.

In eastern martial arts, fighting is supposed to be a last resort, and, many arts are defensive in nature, rather than agressive. Martial arts are ARTS, not fighting. If you want to learn to fight go to the poor side of town and start yelling ethnic slurs.

You didn't need to be that harsh. -_-
Instead of being a crazy kid, just take up a sport, like MMA. There's no need to run down and scream or be harsh, he just asked for the philosophical point of view of what is fighting.

 

[ulsterman]

I'm sorry fellas, I do not wish to demean any of your efforts, but martial arts are pretty much useless in the real world of "anything goes" scrapping. I used to be friends with a group of guys who ran a kick-boxing club, and they frequently entered competitions, and so on. But, when push came to shove, most of them couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

I think boxing is probably the best fighting art yet invented, and probably the one most fitted for tricky encounters. If you could learn how to box, without getting your DJ nose broken or your brain damaged in the process, that would serve you far better than choreographed oriental arts.

Still, in the real world, there are no Queensbury rules, or any rules for that matter, other than the expediencies of the present exigency at any given moment. In other words, if it's gonna save your life, don't be afraid to fight dirty.

Now, any chance of getting this thread back into being a DJ tip, or are we pushing for it to be moved to the general section of this site?

 

[Saine]

Originally posted by ulsterman
I'm sorry fellas, I do not wish to demean any of your efforts, but martial arts are pretty much useless in the real world of "anything goes" scrapping. I used to be friends with a group of guys who ran a kick-boxing club, and they frequently entered competitions, and so on. But, when push came to shove, most of them couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

I think boxing is probably the best fighting art yet invented, and probably the one most fitted for tricky encounters. If you could learn how to box, without getting your DJ nose broken or your brain damaged in the process, that would serve you far better than choreographed oriental arts.

Still, in the real world, there are no Queensbury rules, or any rules for that matter, other than the expediencies of the present exigency at any given moment. In other words, if it's gonna save your life, don't be afraid to fight dirty.

Now, any chance of getting this thread back into being a DJ tip, or are we pushing for it to be moved to the general section of this site?

With what you said, let's see you fight Tito Ortiz. Bruce Lee. Royce Gracie. I'll go on and on. These guys could go up late in Manhanttan uptown or Bronx and handle the punks (no gun/projectile as that's not fighting, that's killing) and fight all year long without losing.

Martial art is not completely useless. You mean standarized martial art like American/Olympic Tae Kwon Do or Tiger Schulman Karate. They're "wussified" art. Even then, they'd still give you a hard time compared to somebody who has never train/fought at all.

You sound like someone who don't train at all. I can kick your ass.

Want something real? Combine yourself with BJJ and Boxing. You just finished half of the battle.

 

[Saine]

Originally posted by ulsterman
I'm sorry fellas, I do not wish to demean any of your efforts, but martial arts are pretty much useless in the real world of "anything goes" scrapping. I used to be friends with a group of guys who ran a kick-boxing club, and they frequently entered competitions, and so on. But, when push came to shove, most of them couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

That club was probably an American Kickboxing club. I seriously dare you to fight any real Thai Kickboxers or even a Shaolin kid in a life or death situation (like I said, no projectile weapons).

 

[MVPlaya]

Originally posted by Saine
That club was probably an American Kickboxing club. I seriously dare you to fight any real Thai Kickboxers or even a Shaolin kid in a life or death situation (like I said, no projectile weapons).

I've taken on Shaolin kids before, I'm a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do and my record v. Shaolin Kung Fu kids is 17-0. Versus Omei Kung fu I am 8-3. Shaolin is majorleague overrated! But about the American Kickboxing club thing. I agree with Saine here. Just because some guys started an amateur club does not mean they are representative of KickBoxing as a whole, odds are they sucked. Most martial arts kids I know will win any fight, but then again, I take this really seriously so most people I know from here are on the same level. (BTW., these tournaments require that Kung Fu kids have at least 4 years experience to be allowed to compete, so its not like they were some 12 year old white kids)

 

[Saine]

I'm perfect.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by Saine
These guys could go up late in Manhanttan uptown or Bronx and handle the punks (no gun/projectile as that's not fighting, that's killing) and fight all year long without losing.

it's all good until somebody DOES get shot. and it happens. my friend's brother was mistaken for the wrong man and got his head blown off. my friend himself was hit in the corner of the eye with a gun and has a scar on his leg from a bullet that grazed his leg.

 

[Saine]

That's why I said "no gun/projectile". I know. I can kill you with a gun. Very simple, put a bullet in the magazine, load it. Bam!

And believe me, I won't miss.

 

[ulsterman]

Saine, that was rather arrogant of you to say I don't train - actually, I do train, usually 5 days per week, but only with weights and running so that I look my best.

I still stand by what I said before: martial arts are over-rated and generally useless when it comes to fighting in the real world. They lend false confidence to guys who frequently end up getting seriously hurt - or worse - when they come face to face with a guy who can handle himself on the street. Bruce Lee, Van Damme, et al., they made very entertaining movies, using very impressive CHOREOGRAPHY. But, I'd still fancy my chances against the vast majority of young guys who do martial arts because I am extremely fit and I tend not to be scared by anyone's fighting prowess. Actually, that latter attribute has been the best thing of all for me, as guys just back off when they see you're not afraid of anything they could throw at you. So you win the battle of the mind before a hand is raised.

As I said before, I do not wish to put any of you down. So go and spend your energies on becoming Don Juans instead of wasting precious time and effort on martial arts that tend not to particularly impress women anyway. And hey! Let's not FIGHT about this, friends! We're here to help each other, not foment ill will and aggression, so come on, let's all be man enough to walk away from needless confrontations on this site!

 

[Saine]

Bruce Lee and Jean Claude can still kick your ass.

The rest I agree. They're rather opinions anyway.

 

[HollowHorizon]

Originally posted by ulsterman


I still stand by what I said before: martial arts are over-rated and generally useless when it comes to fighting in the real world.

not true it takes work, and if u master it,it can take u far

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by Saine
That's why I said "no gun/projectile".

which makes it purely hypothetical

 

[WaRpEd]

What the crap

I go away for a week or two and comeback and see that y'all have blown this thing way outta proportion.

First of all, I was just generalizing (or whatever) when saying karate... Kung-fu, tae kwando, boxing, kick-boxing...heck, even yoga would do just fine! The problem is finding a good teacher, I'm sad to say that over the past few generations Martial Arts has been skrewed up by people who don't wanna get hurt(wusses), most good schools mix in other forms and types of exersize. (I.E. I once saw a Wado-Ryu dojo, that the teacher mixed in Aikido, weapons, wrestling, all sorts of cardio/ muscle building exersizes, etc.)

Also I feel that I should mention, that my karate teacher has taught Police officers specilized martial arts classes, and that police force happens to now be one of the best in the area.


Actually the fact that I have a black-belt has Impressed ALOT of women .

Atleast try it, if you don't like it than don't do it , it's as simple as that. Just make sure you get a good school! (theirs no telling how many times i've said that )

-Warped

P.S. I'm interested in knowing what all forms you all take.

P.S.S. Were here to help each other out, I'm begging you to not try to get into a fight and start bickering on wheather or not to take karate.

 

[jaye]

I've taken on Shaolin kids before, I'm a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do and my record v. Shaolin Kung Fu kids is 17-0. Versus Omei Kung fu I am 8-3. Shaolin is majorleague overrated! But about the American Kickboxing club thing. I agree with Saine here. Just because some guys started an amateur club does not mean they are representative of KickBoxing as a whole, odds are they sucked. Most martial arts kids I know will win any fight, but then again, I take this really seriously so most people I know from here are on the same level. (BTW., these tournaments require that Kung Fu kids have at least 4 years experience to be allowed to compete, so its not like they were some 12 year old white kids)

The reason you probably beat them is cause they WERE kids...

What kind of tournaments are you talking about? Is this on a circuit, or ordained by the Kung Fu Association of America, or the Martial Artist Alliance, or a commissioned tournament by any official organization?

If you're taking Tae Kwon Do, you should know the roots of Tae Kwan Do, Northern Shaolin Kung Fu.

You should know that during the Imjin War, when 23,000 Japanese Samurai surrounded Inchong Monestary in Northeastern Korea, it was an order of Chinese monks from a Shaolin monestary that were residing there who helped defeat the enemy, and thus, as the legend says, founded the roots of many aspects of modern Tae Kwan Do.

 

[BMW]

Originally posted by ulsterman
I'm sorry fellas, I do not wish to demean any of your efforts, but martial arts are pretty much useless in the real world of "anything goes" scrapping. I used to be friends with a group of guys who ran a kick-boxing club, and they frequently entered competitions, and so on. But, when push came to shove, most of them couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

I think boxing is probably the best fighting art yet invented, and probably the one most fitted for tricky encounters. If you could learn how to box, without getting your DJ nose broken or your brain damaged in the process, that would serve you far better than choreographed oriental arts.

Still, in the real world, there are no Queensbury rules, or any rules for that matter, other than the expediencies of the present exigency at any given moment. In other words, if it's gonna save your life, don't be afraid to fight dirty.

Now, any chance of getting this thread back into being a DJ tip, or are we pushing for it to be moved to the general section of this site?

well said. Even after 12 years of martial arts, I still wouldn't fvck around on the street.

 

[BMW]

Originally posted by Saine
With what you said, let's see you fight Tito Ortiz. Bruce Lee. Royce Gracie. I'll go on and on. These guys could go up late in Manhanttan uptown or Bronx and handle the punks (no gun/projectile as that's not fighting, that's killing) and fight all year long without losing.

Martial art is not completely useless. You mean standarized martial art like American/Olympic Tae Kwon Do or Tiger Schulman Karate. They're "wussified" art. Even then, they'd still give you a hard time compared to somebody who has never train/fought at all.

You sound like someone who don't train at all. I can kick your ass.

Want something real? Combine yourself with BJJ and Boxing. You just finished half of the battle.

After you are done hugging Tito's and Royce's nuts, I would like to bring you back to reality. If these guys were to stroll around late at night in bad neighborhoods, they would get attacked by multiple opponets. No amount of skill will help these guys. Stop the superhero image you have of them.

Regarding Tiger Schulman, I use to go there for a few years ( I still go once in while). These guys spar hard in every class. They consistently win in outside tournaments like "reality fighting" and "battle of Amateurs". If you don't believe me, go to realityfighting.tv and check the past results and see what schools the winners are from. It's usually Renzo or Tiger. Their fighters have often beat Muay thai figthers, boxers, BJJ fighters.

I invite you to stop by their school in Rego Park and challenge one of the experienced fighters. Let me know when you'll go so I can watch.

 

[Saine]

Originally posted by BMW
After you are done hugging Tito's and Royce's nuts, I would like to bring you back to reality. If these guys were to stroll around late at night in bad neighborhoods, they would get attacked by multiple opponets. No amount of skill will help these guys. Stop the superhero image you have of them.

Regarding Tiger Schulman, I use to go there for a few years ( I still go once in while). These guys spar hard in every class. They consistently win in outside tournaments like "reality fighting" and "battle of Amateurs". If you don't believe me, go to realityfighting.tv and check the past results and see what schools the winners are from. It's usually Renzo or Tiger. Their fighters have often beat Muay thai figthers, boxers, BJJ fighters.

I invite you to stop by their school in Rego Park and challenge one of the experienced fighters. Let me know when you'll go so I can watch.

I'm not a nuthugger nor am I a fan of these guys, but you have to admit, they can still kick your ass regardless of whether they can take on 2, 3, or even 4 opponents. Indeed if you said "bring a million people then!" they won't win, but of course, throw it like one on one, "next" "next" kind of fight, they'll win. So it's not superhero, it's reality. Another thing is, I look at Tiger Schulman as amateur and pathetic like all other McDojos because of the way they trained the adults and children in my area. Of course if you wanted to train professionally for UFC or such, you're going to have to personally ask the "master" for his permission and such.

 

[Saine]

Originally posted by jaye
The reason you probably beat them is cause they WERE kids...

The kids probably gave him a hard time regardless of whether he won or not.

Now imagine an adult or a real killer-monk.

Now I'm not saying these guys are god. I am definitely saying all of us participating in this thread go against Tito or a random fighting monk, we'd all die.

 

[ulsterman]

Lads,

Let's not fall out over all of this. Remember, we're DJs trying to help each other! Fighting is not something to put too much focus on - living in Northern Ireland, I've seen plenty of where that gets you!

Come on, let's get back to stealing the hearts of worthy chicks! For me, I want that to become a "marital" art!

PS - BMW, I have heard enough genuine martial arts experts say the very same thing as yourself to know you're making sense.

 

[Saine]

Guess I really don't make "sense".