Martial Arts Training.....

[Huffman]

So you've been to a couple of classes and that means you can make an accurate judgement on the styles???

Bro had you read my post at all then you would have seen that I'm exactly NOT doing this. I'm not talking MMA down at all, even though it's not to my personal taste. Anybody who is honest will have to recognize that MMA produces tough fighters. Can we please not have the silly "best martial art" discussion that you find on 9000 youtube videos?

I however meet many people in their 20s who just started MMA and are aggressive ****s. I don't need to train 10 years to notice this. People who have some years of training behind them are usually pretty chill. On contrary I notice that traditional Karate clubs have people who are much nicer and more relaxed than you would usually think of fighters. Yes there's alot of grandpas. If you do have that much more experience, then surely you would agree?

Different people are drawn to different styles, and no.1 criterium for me is the people I'll be training with. So, to repeat the essence of my earlier post, check clubs out, not only karate, and see which one in YOUR town you like most.

 

[SharinganUser]

Bro had you read my post at all then you would have seen that I'm exactly NOT doing this. I'm not talking MMA down at all, even though it's not to my personal taste. Anybody who is honest will have to recognize that MMA produces tough fighters. Can we please not have the silly "best martial art" discussion that you find on 9000 youtube videos?

I however meet many people in their 20s who just started MMA and are aggressive ****s. I don't need to train 10 years to notice this. People who have some years of training behind them are usually pretty chill. On contrary I notice that traditional Karate clubs have people who are much nicer and more relaxed than you would usually think of fighters. Yes there's alot of grandpas. If you do have that much more experience, then surely you would agree?

Different people are drawn to different styles, and no.1 criterium for me is the people I'll be training with. So, to repeat the essence of my earlier post, check clubs out, not only karate, and see which one in YOUR town you like most.

I did read your post and I am not making this a "best martial art" discussion. I am talking about your narrow view on the type of people that train in mma. I haven't found MMA people to be anymore "aggressive" than other stylists. In fact most people that train MMA don't even compete. Moreover professional fighters are less likely to fight outside the ring because of high risk of injury that would cost them their pay check.

I'd also like to add that I've met people in their early twenties who practiced traditional styles and thought they were hot ****, but that is more a reflection on their attitude than their style of martial arts.

People who have some years of training behind them are usually pretty chill.

Agree'd and this includes people who train in MMA/BJJ.

 

[Kerpal]

Some of the nicest people I've met have been powerlifters and guys who train MMA. Both groups that most people consider to be aggressive meatheads, but are actually really cool when you get to know them.

 

[Huffman]

Okay point taken... I just have an aversion against guys who pose shirtless on facebook

 

[Sparky]

In my opinion, Karate applied properly in a self defence situation should look more like this (apart from this being a very entertaining video because Bas is a bit of a comedian) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y

A lot of the kind of moves Bas does here are actually kata moves. It shows them actually effectively applied.

The trouble with a lot of karate schools is they teach all this rubbish about simultaneously blocking two punches from two different attackers, and walking into kicks and so forth.

For example - lets take the basic first move of "Kihon" - step to the left and downward block. Do we SERIOUSLY think that this is a kick block? No, it's a strike to the groin. That's what I meant earlier in the thread about Karate being widely mis-taught.

Don't underestimate Karate. It has been carefully worked out and tested. But the Americanisation of it and watering down of it in competitions has led to it being disrespected.

Do we seriously think that Bas could use any of these moves in a competition? He'd get disqualified immediately.

Having said that, he then goes into groundwork in the second bit of the video which is not Karate, but the first bit definitely shows some of the Kata applications that I've learnt. And that's in Shotokan, which is very widely disrespected.

 

[Sparky]

And no, in proper Karate it is not encouraged to "Chamber" the other hand when throwing punches. That leaves you wide open. The "Chamber" acheives two things (that I can think of) :

It is in fact a backwards elbow. Each time you chamber, it is practise for elbowing an attacker grabbing you from behind.

It is grabbing the person and pulling them on to you while punching so they can't ride the punch.

Also - the long stance. It is not encouraged to fight like that. The reason we take a long stance is simply exercise for the legs. It is assumed that if you can build speed with a long stance, then when you shorten the stance your legs are very explosive. Similar to when runners practise with weights on their legs.

This is why we have "Freestyle" stance. Freestyle allows you to shorten your leg stance and put up a guard. Any instructor that does not encourage also practising like this is not worth their salt.

I hope that dispels a few Karate "myths".