Martial Arts to Become Manlier?

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by Torn Victor
Sak does submission wrestling which has been around far longer than BJJ. He is not a BJJ guy by any means. Submissions do not equal BJJ.

I don't do BJJ, but I do do Greco and submission wrestling. PM me and we can arrange a get together if you'd like to see how your BJJ does against a non-BJJ guy.

No prob
Just so you know, I an undefeated sport BJJ fighter in competitions throughout California. Been in it for YEARS. Lets hook up. LOL

 

[Don Corleon]

torn victor, obviously you dont know your history about grappling, but sak does infact train bjj. my instructor and a few other fighters i know train and have rolled with him as well. Submission wrestling is a spawn of bjj or jj in general. The only difference is the submission wrestler is more comfortable being in the guard rather than pulling guard. I would have to say bjj has many more moves available to use, the only downfall is most are with using the gi. If you look at guys like chuck Liddel, Tito Ortiz, Coleman, all these guys train with bjj guys. The key is as somebody else mentioned is not to just stick with one art. Kind of like dj'in. you dont just use CF routines and thats it. You've got to apply everything you know and intertwine it together. You can't just go into a fight and say im a grappler or a bjj and therefore my art is better and i will win. you gotta be good on your stand up and the clinch as well.

p.s. Triangulo nice job on the triangle. Can you explain in detail how the fight went?

 

[Enduro]

Submission wrestling came from BJJ/JJ? Are you kidding me? Submission wrestling existed in Ancient Greece... a LONG time before JJ was even created.

Everyone crosstrains these days, they need to (as I said before). However, Sak is not primarily as BJJ guy as Matt Serra or BJ Penn or Murilo Bustamante would be - he is first and foremost a wrestler.

 

[Enduro]

myfriendblu, sounds great. I'm on the east coast but I will be flying out to California in May. Where are you at in Cali? I'll be heading to Sacramento.

And just to be clear, I don't want a grappling match. Just a friendly little vale tudo fight. PM me for details.

 

[seloifter]

Originally posted by Shadow Dancer
What we've often heard; Wait for someone to attack before hitting them...is bad advice. Never wait for someone to swing at you. There are signs, body language, that will tell you when someone is about to go at you. If you really feel they are about to attack you, hit them hard, hit them fast, and hit him till they can't fight back. If you've decided not to fight, for whatever reason, run.

Good advice on the streets, but in closed environments like a school.... only problem with that is that it's *always* the person who "threw the first punch" that takes the rap for it. They don't care if the other "was about to" take a swing..... you did it first, therefore, you take teh suspension; or you get fired; Or whatever it might be in your environment.

 

[ChunLi]

Originally posted by seloifter
Good advice on the streets, but in closed environments like a school.... only problem with that is that it's *always* the person who "threw the first punch" that takes the rap for it. They don't care if the other "was about to" take a swing..... you did it first, therefore, you take teh suspension; or you get fired; Or whatever it might be in your environment.

The thing is, there are other things you can do. Dodging or armlocking are other options. The most important thing to dodging or armlocking is that you quickly move out of range, usually by making quick hop backwards. This will usually cause them to miss any kind of swing, they are open to all sorts of armlocks and holds.

ChunLi

 

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by Torn Victor
. Just a friendly little vale tudo fight. PM me for details.

Ahhhh for cryin out loud......This is EXACTLY why I have gotten away from the whole MMA scene....endless challenge fights from people looking to boost their fragile ego's. It tends to get old.

LOL After I won the first Gracie BJJ championship back in, shoot, 98, LOL, not a SINGLE day went by without some sort of challenge match, some guy off the street dropping by looking for a fight. Yawn.....

 

[RIchardo]

as far as submission fighting goes, i think sambo and shootfighting are pretty cool stuff cuz i really LOVE leglocks.

I only rolled with a few guys for a limited time but i really liked this nice single leg into a heel hook.....damn the leg locks are where its at ...... i guess if i did grappling i wouldnt have soo many black eyes hahah...

 

[Don Corleon]

yeah ankle locks and knee bars are where its at. nobody expects them and if you can pull it off fast enough, you'll leave them lympin away

 

[Walden]

I've got it , here it is BJJ vs open styles in a one fall , no holds barred (no nerve strikes or fai-jing) DJing contest.

Personally I think us Muay Thai guys are gonna have this one , kickboxing trunks look the money

 

[Thoroughbred]

What the hell does martial arts have to do with being manly? That is like saying a woman taking self-defense is manly. It is just learning how to defend one's self.

 

[Enduro]

Originally posted by myfriendblu
Ahhhh for cryin out loud......This is EXACTLY why I have gotten away from the whole MMA scene....endless challenge fights from people looking to boost their fragile ego's. It tends to get old.

LOL After I won the first Gracie BJJ championship back in, shoot, 98, LOL, not a SINGLE day went by without some sort of challenge match, some guy off the street dropping by looking for a fight. Yawn.....

So you don't want to do it? I like vt more than straight grappling, but if you're uncomfortable with a fight then grappling is fine.