Marriage eludes high-achieving black women

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32379727/ns/health-sexual_health/

Yale researchers Natalie Nitsche and Hannah Brueckner argued that “marriage chances for highly educated black women have declined over time relative to white women.” Women of both races with postgraduate educations “face particularly hard choices between career and motherhood,” they said, “but especially in the absence of a reliable partner.”
Perhaps when women stop insisting they must always mate "up", they will stop having this problem.

Here, at last is one woman being honest about female sexual psychology:

Rand said:
"I do not think that a rational woman can want to be President (of the U.S.). Observe that I did not say she would be unable to do the job; I said that she could not want it. It is not a matter of her ability, but of her values."

"...when it comes to the post of president, ...do not ask: "Could she do the job and would it be good for the country?" Conceivably, she could and it would - but what would it do to her?

The issue is primarily psychological. It involves a woman's fundamental view of life, of herself and of her basic values. For a woman qua woman, the essence of femininity is hero worship - the desire to look up to man. "To look up" does not mean dependence, obedience, or anything implying inferiority. It means an intense kind of admiration; and admiration is an emotion that can be experienced only by a person of strong character and independent value judgments. A "clinging vine" type of woman is not an admirer, but an exploiter of men. Hero worship is a demanding virtue: a woman has to be worthy of it and of the hero she worships. Intellectually and morally, i.e.., as a human being, she has to be his equal; then the object of her worship is specifically his masculinity, not any human virtue she might lack."

"...the higher [a woman's]view of masculinity, the more severely demanding her standards. It means that she never loses the awareness of her own sexual identity and theirs. It means that a properly feminine woman does not treat men as if she were their pal, sister, mother - or leader.

Now consider the meaning of the presidency: in all his professional relationships, within the entire sphere of his work, the president is the highest authority; he is the "chief executive," the "commander-in-chief." ...In the performance of his duties, a president does not deal with equals, but only with inferiors (not inferiors as persons, but in respect to the hierarchy of their positions, their work, and their responsibilities).

This, for a rational woman, would be an unbearable situation. ... To act as the superior, the leader, virtually the ruler of all the men she deals with, would be an excruciating psychological torture. It would require a total depersonalization, an utter selflessness, and an incommunicable loneliness; she would have to suppress (or repress) every personal aspect of her own character and attitude; she could not be herself, i.e., a woman; she would have to function only as a mind, not as a person, i.e., as a thinker devoid of personal values - a dangerously artificial dichotomy which no one could sustain for long. By the nature of her duties and daily activities, she would become the most unfeminine, sexless, metaphysically inappropriate, and rationally revolting figure of all: a matriarch."

"For a woman to seek or desire the presidency is, in fact, so terrible a prospect of spiritual self-immolation that the woman who would seek it is psychologically unworthy of the job."
Yeah the woman who wrote this was fugly, but damn at least she was honest.
 

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Good article.

But the author doesn't really go into the WHY. The answer is CHOICE. Black women make bad choices about who they let sleep with them. And it bites them in the ass when they get older
 

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If those women (black or non-black) spend more time in the kitchen instead of the library, they won't have this problem.

The way into a man's heart (and getting him to put a ring on your finger) is not to quote a bloody book that will bore him to death. It's through his stomach. They should really listen to women of older generations and not the feminists.
 

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Jitterbug said:
The way into a man's heart (and getting him to put a ring on your finger) is not to quote a bloody book that will bore him to death. It's through his stomach.
Maybe I'm just different, but I'd get bored quick with a girl who provided me no intellectual stimulation. To me, it's a necessity to be with a girl who is worldly, reads, travels, knows what's going on in society, can hold an intelligent conversation, and has some interests of her own. I'm not attracted to boring doormat type women at all whatsoever.
 

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it's the same as a guy complaining about being so nice, yet not attracting woman.

all you hear from educated blk woman is how smart they are and how educated they are but few guys really care about that nor find that attractive in a woman.

where's rollo with his post on guys being pressured to be attracted to high achieving, high educated woman ?
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I wonder if the answer is black men. I know some very successful, motivated black men, but for the most part most black men seem lost, struggling. In other words, black men may be lagging behind white men and black women. I cite this article to support my argument. This would help explain why so many black women have attitude problems: they feel they are unduly picking up the slack of slacking black men. Black women then have a smaller pool of eligible bachelors to choose from.

Just a guess. I'm writing this at 2:45am on an iPhone and so I don't have the time to do exhaustive research.
 

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Rogue said:
I wonder if the answer is black men. I know some very successful, motivated black men, but for the most part most black men seem lost, struggling. In other words, black men may be lagging behind white men and black women. I cite this article to support my argument. This would help explain why so many black women have attitude problems: they feel they are unduly picking up the slack of slacking black men. Black women then have a smaller pool of eligible bachelors to choose from.

Just a guess. I'm writing this at 2:45am on an iPhone and so I don't have the time to do exhaustive research.
That's what always gets me: black men must be directionless for the most part. There are so many brothers doing postive things out there its ridiculous. There are guys going to work, taking care of kids, and actually trying to do something but get lost in tide basically. It's like with any woman: they want a good man, can't see the one's actually doing the right thing, hook up with the wrong guy, get bitter, and then wants to call ALL men dogs. Oh and then you have to catch a black woman at the right time in her life with the right thing.

See, the younger one's want a thug or tough guy that's going to sling them back and forth emotionally. You treat the young ones with respect or they know a way to keep you in line, they aren't going to stay and will probably find some way to screw you up.

The educated one's try to find a guy who is educated himself. There is nothing wrong with that, but they tend to look over the regular working man because he doesn't know the same stuff that was in the book she barely got through reading in college. Also, his job doesn't match the level of prestige she may have even if she's basically a glorified social worker or secratary. And forget about the guy who has it all together because that means she'll feel threatened by him because next to him her hard work seems like it doesn't mean anything.

Now for the post doctorial woman, it gets even worse. Basically she's shunned men because they would have gotten in the way of her getting something so now she doesn't know how to even carry on a decent conversation on a date; it's about how she's had to struggle being a black female and how most black men are just pissing their life away. She tries to act strong and independent, but forgets if you act like you don't need a man, the man is going to walk because he doesn't need that crap in his life. So now she messes with a bunch of weak one's that kiss her butt; she doesn't like it because she really wants a real man. The problem is she again feels threatened by a guy that really doesn't need her. And do not let her around your women either unless she's actually a cool woman because she'll tell them how they don't need you, bust up your relationship, and basically make you and your ex miserable.

Now, I don't have a study or survey to cite, but I do have my experience growing up around this stuff.
 
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Education requires sacrifice. Notice that the article mentions "post graduate" degrees by name, so we're talking Masters and Doctorate degrees to begin with. So we're talking minimum 6 to 8 years of applying oneself exclusively to that endeavor. Generally speaking we're also looking at a demographic of students who are beginning their schooling at 18 to 20 years old, perhaps a bit later now. So we're looking at average 26 to 28 years old when they graduate.

In that time the needs of applying oneself with the kind of dedication necessary to achieve a post-grad degree dictates that other aspects of life be limited, postponed or simply eliminated. In other words, intense study, combined with working (even part time) prohibits other areas of maturity. Things get neglected. Sometimes physical, sometimes social, but experiences are sacrificed for that goal. The end product being that after 6 to 8 years of achieving an academic goal a person needs to readjust and mature socially to connect with others.

Now add to this the necessary drive and effort needed to succeed in the career path that they sacrificed so much for in college and it's easy to understand why "professional women" are viewed as less desirable by men of equal status. They tend to be unavailable, unattractive and at least somewhat socially retarded (I mean that in a clinical sense, not an insult). Social / career status or mobility is an attraction prompt for men. Female sexuality, physicality and feminine demeanor are attraction prompts for females. Barring the obvious exception, men don't want to ƒuck men - by making themselves more manlike, women hobble themselves in the process of achieving it.
 

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Rogue said:
I wonder if the answer is black men. I know some very successful, motivated black men, but for the most part most black men seem lost, struggling. In other words, black men may be lagging behind white men and black women. I cite this article to support my argument. This would help explain why so many black women have attitude problems: they feel they are unduly picking up the slack of slacking black men. Black women then have a smaller pool of eligible bachelors to choose from.

Just a guess. I'm writing this at 2:45am on an iPhone and so I don't have the time to do exhaustive research.
I think that's a big part of it. I think statistics bear it out that black men father children but do not marry the women. Plus a lot of black men are chasing white women leaving fewer men for black women to choose from, since black women are lothe to date inter-racially. A lot of it is black women's own fault too. They are too domineering and all about empowerment. This system favors women too much and when you are a woman plus black you get double the preference.
 
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