Market Trend Analysis - Dating in 2017

[Urbanyst]

Most of you guys seem to agree the market today is sh*t for men at all social levels. Lets analyze some of the factors at play:

CURRENT TRENDS

*Decreased Social Pressure on Women

Women have less social pressure to be in relationships, stay in relationships and to have kids. the stigma of being divorced or a single mother is not what it used to be. This makes women at all social levels become more selective.

*More Selective women leads to less selective men

Men feel more urgency due to our sex drives. When women become more selective, it forces men to be less selective if they want to get laid. This drives down the price of male stock. We are experiencing all time lows.

*High demand allows quality to decline

Like with everything else.. when the demand is high, its easy to cut the quality. The NYC subway has the highest ridership in the country despite smelling like urine and being invested with rats. It can get away with this because it offers the best deal in town for fast and cheap transportation. Same with women.

*Women are bored

Dating has become extremely boring for women. Every woman with a pulse under 50 gets d*ck pics sent to her daily. Either she is getting propositions for sex or she is getting her ass kissed by a desperate clinger. Same old sh*t every day. Losers and horn dogs everywhere. Women are just bored now, so they create excitement by pushing men's buttons, sh*t testing and being total bitches. That's another reason why thug culture is thriving these days. Women feed off the drama. They are just begging us to treat them like dirt so they can experience more excitement in their lives. We respond by being nicer, spending more MONEY, and begging for their approval. Boring. So they sh*t test harder.

FORECAST

*Have We Hit the Breaking Point?

Not yet, but I think we are getting close. Sooner or later the quality gets bad enough to decrease demand or the product becomes too expensive to be worth the price. Such as what we saw in the housing market in 2008. Homes were artificially over valued (as women are today).

*Signs

Things like MGTOW and the Red Pill reaching the mass media points to a shift. The fact that there is a red pill movie indicates rising dissatisfaction among men and in larger numbers. How this will play out is hard to predict. But we are seeing trends world wide where men are starting to shift their behavior in response to women having too much power.

I also see myself as a sign. The fact that I'm a good looking guy with game, making good money and living in my own apartment in the city, yet I can't locate a woman of quality. The fact that every woman I meet is either an entitled b*tch, absurdly shallow/materialistic or has seen more sausage than a deli means something is definitely rotten in Denmark.

Self-improvement has NOT improved the quality of the women I can get as promised by conventional wisdom. Only how hot they are. Which is meaningless after a few f*cks.

 

[resilient]

Good points... see I think this is why we as Don Juans should focus 100% on our passions.

Women aren't loyal as we've been highlighting lately in other threads. The solution is to pursue our own dreams.

It's not just about self-improvement... it's really about what excites us beyond women. What gives us more validation in life than a short-term lay?

OP, I bet you can think of at least one thing that's awesome in your life that doesn't revolve completely around women. I'm not advocating MGTOW, I'm just saying there are many cool facets of life to explore beyond chasing tail.

Call me an opportunistic Don Monk. A Don Juan/Monk-mode hybrid. I'm not a player. I've never been one. I'm not a 6'3" Chad. I'm not giving up on women and will be down to hang with a girl that's interested should the opportunity arise. I won't be OLD swipping for hours or DM women 24/7. I'm just not going to be obsessed with making sure I have a steady bull-pen of plates to make sure I'm spinning plates. Seriously tired af of that pressure.

One poster said recently "the one thing she fears is the contented man" or something like that.

A few opportunities I see in an increasingly bleak market as it were:

- Become awesome at something beyond just increasing our net worth
- Have dope hobbies (learning an instrument, paint/draw art, work on cars, martial arts, build something from scratch)
Example, this guy built his own headless guitar, documented everything, and posted his process and results to Imgur. There are tons of posts like this on DIY subreddits that are worth checking out. Serious props to guys who dedicate time and effort to build something they're proud of
- Have diverse social spheres (helps you be more well-rounded)
- Be more selfish (i.e. don't give attention away for free)
- Eat clean and lean
- Consistently hit the gym
- Travel to unique places (local/international)
- Cook/bake your own culinary experiments
- Write a book (fiction/non-fiction)
- Try something you're afraid (afraid of public speaking? Do Toastmasters or improv stand-up comedy)

You win when you give fewer fvcks. Become happy and satisfied with your life. The bleak market is why I created my Hakuna Matata thread recently. I'm doing most of the items I listed above and am feeling so much happier than the beginning of this year when I felt pressure to spin plates and lock down the main plate.

TLDR... Go be rad. Give fewer fvcks about the market trend.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Self-improvement has NOT improved the quality of the women I can get as promised by conventional wisdom. Only how hot they are. Which is meaningless after a few f*cks.

I've made some significant progress in terms of accepting and coping with this recently but it has been very hard to accept.

 

[nismo-4]

Good points... see I think this is why we as Don Juans should focus 100% on our passions.

Women aren't loyal as we've been highlighting lately in other threads. The solution is to pursue our own dreams.

It's not just about self-improvement... it's really about what excites us beyond women. What gives us more validation in life than a short-term lay?

OP, I bet you can think of at least one thing that's awesome in your life that doesn't revolve completely around women. I'm not advocating MGTOW, I'm just saying there are many cool facets of life to explore beyond chasing tail.

Call me an opportunistic Don Monk. A Don Juan/Monk-mode hybrid. I'm not a player. I've never been one. I'm not a 6'3" Chad. I'm not giving up on women and will be down to hang with a girl that's interested should the opportunity arise. I won't be OLD swipping for hours or DM women 24/7. I'm just not going to be obsessed with making sure I have a steady bull-pen of plates to make sure I'm spinning plates. Seriously tired af of that pressure.

One poster said recently "the one thing she fears is the contented man" or something like that.

A few opportunities I see in an increasingly bleak market as it were:

- Become awesome at something beyond just increasing our net worth
- Have dope hobbies (learning an instrument, paint/draw art, work on cars, martial arts, build something from scratch)
Example, this guy built his own headless guitar, documented everything, and posted his process and results to Imgur. There are tons of posts like this on DIY subreddits that are worth checking out. Serious props to guys who dedicate time and effort to build something they're proud of
- Have diverse social spheres (helps you be more well-rounded)
- Be more selfish (i.e. don't give attention away for free)
- Eat clean and lean
- Consistently hit the gym
- Travel to unique places (local/international)
- Cook/bake your own culinary experiments
- Write a book (fiction/non-fiction)
- Try something you're afraid (afraid of public speaking? Do Toastmasters or improv stand-up comedy)

You win when you give fewer fvcks. Become happy and satisfied with your life. The bleak market is why I created my Hakuna Matata thread recently. I'm doing most of the items I listed above and am feeling so much happier than the beginning of this year when I felt pressure to spin plates and lock down the main plate.

TLDR... Go be rad. Give fewer fvcks about the market trend.

This is very good, but men really do want women in their lives, and this whole thing of "wait and let them come to you" is total bull unless you're a celeb, no one on this board is.

I do agree with this post though, no prob. I do dabble in culinary arts and improv comedy.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I also think that the increase in drugs in our society has decreased the quality of women. Also the fact that they can easily get a job good enough to support themself, so they don't have to "act right" so that a man will support her.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Reason's Crown

If we must tell ourselves stories,
Let’s believe the worthiest ones,
And in the best possible world,
With no moon and a thousand suns.

Who’s to say desire plays us false,
When we know that reason does so,
Gone's its enthusiastic youth,
Into sedated age it goes.

Bid farewell to reality,
And put a headstone in the ground,
And write thereon this epitaph,
‘With a skull is reason crowned’.

And celebrate re-unions,
Dance as they did in Maypole days,
With a thousand flooding memories
From a million yesterdays.

 

[marmel75]

The thing most people fail to realize is that quantity does not equal quality. Out of those 50 people hitting on a woman a day, how many does she actually have any interest in? 1---2 maybe? Until they disqualify themselves by being losers in some other way? Women are more desperate for men who act like men than ever before since THAT is becoming a rarer and rarer trait with the decline of male testosterone levels.

In fact, this is makes it EASIER to stick out in a GOOD way...they see SO MANY losers and dudes who act like pansies and AFC's they almost do a doubletake when they see a guy who doesn't.

Los of quantity, very little quality.

 

[zekko]

In fact, this is makes it EASIER to stick out in a GOOD way...they see SO MANY losers and dudes who act like pansies and AFC's they almost do a doubletake when they see a guy who doesn't.

I've heard this repeated a lot, but I've never quite bought into it. What makes a "real man" stand out so much when compared to an AFC? One thing is that AFCs are supposedly afraid to approach, but as demonstrated in your example, apparently not because the girls are getting hit on 50 times a day. What is it that is supposed to set you apart so much? You want the same thing as the rest of them.

 

[cola]

Sh*t really ain't that deep dog.
Get your sh*t together. Make some money. Save some money, invest money

Join a gym & work out 5 days a week get your body right.
Meditate, cultivate a laid back personality.

Approach, Tinder, POF. Do all 3.
Go on dates.
Give them A1 dong.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat until you find a girl you wanna be with.

You put too many intricate thoughts Into females.

Also what most of you guys call a "decent" female doesn't exist and never did.


A decent female to cola?
Does she swallow?

Your a man, what more do you need them for?

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I've heard this repeated a lot, but I've never quite bought into it. What makes a "real man" stand out so much when compared to an AFC? One thing is that AFCs are supposedly afraid to approach, but as demonstrated in your example, apparently not because the girls are getting hit on 50 times a day. What is it that is supposed to set you apart so much? You want the same thing as the rest of them.

Correction

The AFC approach = online 'Hi!'
Real man approach = 'Hello' with a smirk in real life.

 

[bigneil]

Women... can easily get a job good enough to support themself, so they don't have to "act right" so that a man will support her.

This is false, at least with women under 25.

 

[bigneil]

Self-improvement has NOT improved the quality of the women I can get as promised by conventional wisdom. Only how hot they are.

Good post, but you contradicted yourself here. Your self improvement directly correlates to hotter looking women. That's all women really are is hot looking. They never really offer quality, not in a reliable sense, just in a "she's in a good mood today" sense. Brad Pitt has girl problems too, he just got the hottest girl on the planet to provide low quality behavior.

You just need to find a good looking woman who you can put up with long enough to watch a few movies.

My experience is that there can't be that many great guys out there or why would strippers from different states call me months later? Based on how anxious girls are to pose for photos, how I got 3 girls 25 years my junior to date me for 2 years each on average, how few women it seems have been to nice restaurants, and how some have never even had an orgasm before me, they can't have that many quality options themselves.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Self-improvement has NOT improved the quality of the women I can get as promised by conventional wisdom. Only how hot they are. .

Hmmm... I find this strangely consoling. I'm more interested in the quality woman than the hottie [yes, yes, I know, I'm so deluded].

If self-improvement means I'm only going to attract the low quality hottie, then I needn't bother too much with self-improvement. This is consoling because there is not a huge amount I can do there. ha ha

But so much for externalities....

 

[marmel75]

I've heard this repeated a lot, but I've never quite bought into it. What makes a "real man" stand out so much when compared to an AFC? One thing is that AFCs are supposedly afraid to approach, but as demonstrated in your example, apparently not because the girls are getting hit on 50 times a day. What is it that is supposed to set you apart so much? You want the same thing as the rest of them.

The way you interact with them...the way you sit back and relax...your presence...yoir body language...your confident demeanor...your I don't give a fvck attitude...your handling of their stupid little tests they throw out...

If you don't understand how that makes you different I don't know what to say other than get out more and sit down with women one on one more.

 

[Urbanyst]

Sh*t really ain't that deep dog.

A decent female to cola?
Does she swallow?

Your a man, what more do you need them for?

If I'm putting my time, energy and MONEY into a LTR.. I need more than that.

Otherwise a prostitute works just as well lol.

 

[zekko]

The way you interact with them...the way you sit back and relax...your presence...yoir body language...your confident demeanor...your I don't give a fvck attitude...your handling of their stupid little tests they throw out.

You really think the average guy doesn't know enough to play it cool? Even back when I was a green, ignorant, young snot, I at least knew I was supposed to appear confident, so I faked it.

I've never been convinced that most guys out there are just a bunch of losers. I mean, maybe they are, but I've never been convinced of it.

 

[Urbanyst]

Good post, but you contradicted yourself here. Your self improvement directly correlates to hotter looking women. That's all women really are is hot looking. They never really offer quality, not in a reliable sense, just in a "she's in a good mood today" sense. Brad Pitt has girl problems too, he just got the hottest girl on the planet to provide low quality behavior.

You just need to find a good looking woman who you can put up with long enough to watch a few movies.

My experience is that there can't be that many great guys out there or why would strippers from different states call me months later? Based on how anxious girls are to pose for photos, how I got 3 girls 25 years my junior to date me for 2 years each on average, how few women it seems have been to nice restaurants, and how some have never even had an orgasm before me, they can't have that many quality options themselves.

I hear ya.

But even in your case and Brad Pitt's case.. the women eventually left. So that leads me to believe women don't care about quality. These days women "rent/lease" men for a period of time to get something they want (MONEY, a job, a wedding ring, kids, etc.) Once they have extracted whatever resource they wanted from the man.. they discard him like trash and focus on their next goal.

I have a buddy who just moved in with his GF two weeks ago. I consider her slightly out of his league. He loves her of course and is a great guy. But based on observation and things he has told me.. her real motive is clear.. MONEY. She wants to buy a house in a few years and was struggling to pay rent in the city when he started dating her. By moving in with him she gets to save significant MONEY on rent, meals, etc.

 

[resilient]

One thing I've picked up on since I've been back in the game post-separation/post-divorce in the last two years is how much stimulation they require now to be entertained.

Have you ever glanced down at the table at dinner in mid-conversation? Their phone lights up with notifications that are a stream of information one getting replaced after another. Boom, boom, boom. Orbiters messaging in IMs, social media DMs, or her girl friends that send them 20 text messages about useless chatter.

How is that not exhausting for them? Women don't unplug. Ever. Maybe 30 minutes for that Bakram Yoga session, lol. But then after that... it's back into the ever-conntected world she goes.

As soon as the date ends, it's almost like you immediately go out of her bubble of thoughts. She pulls the phone out and starts catching up with what she missed. Now, subconsciously she has to filter out info and re-evaluate her interest level in the guy she just went out on a date with.

The hotter she is, the more her phone's going to blow up.

That's why I think ignoring to maintain respect and honor Robert Green 48 laws of power doesn't work as much as it used to. I would like to believe not being needy, not initiating in texting works well for the DJ, yet... I'm just not as sure about that.... lately.

Women love love love novelty. Think, Disney feels.

There's also going to be a new guy with charm and game that can succeed in hitting all her emotional high notes. Granted, many orbiters will be low-quality for her, she still eats up the attention.

Ultimately... if she takes care of herself looks-wise, the guy has to have a higher SMV to maintain her interest level. The competition is tight, so he can't rest on his laurels.

Abundance has now become more relevant than ever.

 

[bigneil]

Once they have extracted whatever resource they wanted from the man.. they discard him like trash

.. her real motive is clear.. MONEY. She wants to buy a house in a few years and was struggling to pay rent in the city when he started dating
her. By moving in with him she gets to save significant MONEY on rent, meals, etc.

They might pretend to discard us like trash, but women don't go back to trash they threw away 2 months ago and pick it back up.

A woman being motivated by men with money is as normal as a man seeking young women - both are seeking the resources required to have a family, which includes fresh, young eggs and $750,000 per child.

 

[zekko]

There's also going to be a new guy with charm and game that can succeed in hitting all her emotional high notes. Granted, many orbiters will be low-quality for her, she still eats up the attention.

Yeah, even if the guy is at an orbiter level, she's still going to enjoy the validation.
And even if a guy is not all that skilled, she'll probably fantasize him as somebody interesting in her mind.