"Manwh*re"

[LostAndConfused]

Two weeks ago I brought back HB7 to my room for a wild night of sex. As I walked her back, little did I know one of her friends, a girl who I've never even met before was texting her "Don't go home with him he's a man*****." She confronted me about it after we've hooked up, and I just told her "I used to be a player, but I've changed my view on dating since"

Recently I've noticed the only attention I'm getting is from freshman girls (aka the ones who haven't heard about me). Me and some of my friends think it was because I got caught having sex with a girl in public by a couple of other girls....this **** happened a little over a year ago.

I never really thought I fvcked alot. But I do score alot more than most guys at my school, but I'm never pulling spectacular numbers. Its a heavily academic school, so I'm guessing the amount of sex is unnaturally low. But I definitely have a fvcked up reputation somehow, it's literally harder for me now to talk to a junior HB6 on campus than it is to talk to a HB8 at a bar or a club.


Has this ever happened to any of you before? How do you handle a rep like this?

I got this problem with guys too, and the worst part is they dont even fcking know me. I've caught some rumors floating around of depraved **** that I really haven't done. Is this jealousy?

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

See a man cannot be a *****. The dynamics are different between girls and guys. Guys have to put in work to get laid. Girls do not.

I feel like the only way a girl can really call you a "manwh0re" is if you hook up with woman below standards. This has happened to me before. I just brush it off and tell people I am a man. I take what I want. No questions.

Don't worry about that bullsh*t. Focus on accumalating assets.

 

[perseverance]

Haters gonna hate.

Women call a man a "man*****" because they realistically know they're never going to score with that man, they're just jealous that some other girl is sitting on his d*ck and they aren't.

Pay it no heed man and just keep on trucking.

 

[sstype]

Two weeks ago I brought back HB7 to my room for a wild night of sex. As I walked her back, little did I know one of her friends, a girl who I've never even met before was texting her "Don't go home with him he's a man*****." She confronted me about it after we've hooked up, and I just told her "I used to be a player, but I've changed my view on dating since"

Recently I've noticed the only attention I'm getting is from freshman girls (aka the ones who haven't heard about me). Me and some of my friends think it was because I got caught having sex with a girl in public by a couple of other girls....this **** happened a little over a year ago.

I never really thought I fvcked alot. But I do score alot more than most guys at my school, but I'm never pulling spectacular numbers. Its a heavily academic school, so I'm guessing the amount of sex is unnaturally low. But I definitely have a fvcked up reputation somehow, it's literally harder for me now to talk to a junior HB6 on campus than it is to talk to a HB8 at a bar or a club.


Has this ever happened to any of you before? How do you handle a rep like this?

I got this problem with guys too, and the worst part is they dont even fcking know me. I've caught some rumors floating around of depraved **** that I really haven't done. Is this jealousy?

I think it reflects a broad cultural shift which shames men against sleeping around as well as women. It used to be the classic double standard which allowed men to sleep around but if women did the same, they were called sl*ts. Now women (and many men) are applying the same rigid standards to men.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/04/generation_scold.html

We're becoming more conservative and prudish as a society (at least where I live). Girls at my part-time job when I was younger thought I was this massive man***** because I wasn't interested in dating and was flirtatious with lots of women.....even though I was hardly drowning in pvssy at the time! People are quick to judge based on the vibe you give out.

My buddy experienced the exact same thing as you at my college. Slept around with a few women and then he hit a massive wall....which he later found out that he had been blackballed as a "manwh*re" as well.

The only guys not affected by this are the those with high enough social leverage (i.e. super-alphas) where they can define their own narrative and women have no choice but to follow it (i.e. sleep with me or you're not part of the in-crowd). Women don't mind this quid pro quo arrangement because they gain social status from it. Scorn and shame is only reserved for the 90% beta men (i.e. the rest of us) who have nothing comparable to offer, that try and break the mold by mimicking alpha behavior.

I find that the glamorization of the "Don Draperesque smooth talking player" is largely a myth if you step into the real world (and no, dorm life at a top 50 party school does not count).The societal narrative is to date someone with the expectation that it will lead to an LTR if both parties click. Any deviation from that narrative is a threat.
Not saying that women don't find Don Juans attractive, but you're liable to create a ton of enemies from

1) jealous men who can't score like you do
2) Unattractive jealous women like perservere mentioned
2) resentful women who feel they were "used" post-sex.

You have to be careful with close social networks. If the "culture" of your school is more academically focused, then people will be more judgemental and scornful of the devil-may-care attitude you have towards dating. For NSA dating, try and find girls outside of your network.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Its not just being a man*****, you piss off one girl and she'll tell her friends who will then tell their friends and then your f-ed cause no girl wants to get with a guy who other girls disapprove of. I have lots of experience pissing off girls cause I have a big mouth, tend to blatantly hit on anything that moves, can be a ****y narcissist, and don't put up with shiit from girls unless im trying to get with them then im a bit more lenient haha.

Add alcohol into this mix and its not surprising why at one point when i was in college there were literally a dozen girls who just flat out didn't like me and were openly bittchy/cold to me. Funny thing is most of them barely knew me but you upset one girl and all her friends will turn against you as well.

Luckily i've since toned down my obnoxious ways. Its funny though because we talk about how a women will want you more if she thinks you get with other women, but there is definitely a fine line that is too easily crossed where she thinks your a man*****. This gets back to her not wanting to feel like a slut or be perceived as one. Its kind of a weird catch-22. Just try to remain mysterious or if anyone asks say that was a rumor spread by some crazy ex-gf who was obsessed with you

 

[Kenny Powers]

Just wanted to add to that how you can use girls gossiping to your advantage too. There was this one girl i knew who didn't like me because i royally piissed off her friend. A few months later i hung out with her in a group setting and made some comment to my friend afterwards about how she must have been visited by the "cute-fairy" because she was looking really good. He thought it was funny and told a friend, who told a friend who told her and now she likes me and even flirts a little

Also helps if you can get female friends to defend you. I dont have many but in my experience them saying your actually a good guy goes a long way.

 

[Zerro]

I had a friend who didn't understand the distinction between the terms "player" and "manwh*re". Then again he wasn't very smart to begin with when it came to "terms you should never use to identify yourself by."

The main differences are that a Player has class and standards, the other has none. One of several reasons I distanced myself from that guy since.

 

[ScottMustaine]

I think it reflects a broad cultural shift which shames men against sleeping around as well as women. It used to be the classic double standard which allowed men to sleep around but if women did the same, they were called sl*ts. Now women (and many men) are applying the same rigid standards to men.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/04/generation_scold.html

We're becoming more conservative and prudish as a society (at least where I live). Girls at my part-time job when I was younger thought I was this massive man***** because I wasn't interested in dating and was flirtatious with lots of women.....even though I was hardly drowning in pvssy at the time! People are quick to judge based on the vibe you give out.

My buddy experienced the exact same thing as you at my college. Slept around with a few women and then he hit a massive wall....which he later found out that he had been blackballed as a "manwh*re" as well.

The only guys not affected by this are the those with high enough social leverage (i.e. super-alphas) where they can define their own narrative and women have no choice but to follow it (i.e. sleep with me or you're not part of the in-crowd). Women don't mind this quid pro quo arrangement because they gain social status from it. Scorn and shame is only reserved for the 90% beta men (i.e. the rest of us) who have nothing comparable to offer, that try and break the mold by mimicking alpha behavior.

I find that the glamorization of the "Don Draperesque smooth talking player" is largely a myth if you step into the real world (and no, dorm life at a top 50 party school does not count).The societal narrative is to date someone with the expectation that it will lead to an LTR if both parties click. Any deviation from that narrative is a threat.
Not saying that women don't find Don Juans attractive, but you're liable to create a ton of enemies from

1) jealous men who can't score like you do
2) Unattractive jealous women like perservere mentioned
2) resentful women who feel they were "used" post-sex.

You have to be careful with close social networks. If the "culture" of your school is more academically focused, then people will be more judgemental and scornful of the devil-may-care attitude you have towards dating. For NSA dating, try and find girls outside of your network.

You're mocking yourself. 90% beta ?

Do you CONSIDER yourself A BETA !?

If you do, then what the hell are you doing here ? GO MAKE SPAGHETTI!

That 'super alpha' guy is probably the 'cute guy omg ' type of girls which means ,feminized ,which again points out to some of hollywood f@gs.

To put it this way.


All guys are BORN ALPHA, actually there are no betas and alphas.

There is only a mindset and a society which treats boys in different manner.

The not so beatiful guy will be rejected, and most likely even MOCKED about his appearance, even if he is best at some sport, in music etc, he will be still regarded a bit lower than the 'cute guy'.
Obviously confidence goes DOWN. Then because of getting REJECTED a boy usually goes to some of the females to ask about how to get one. Then a female starts preaching what her MOTHER told her she should look for... That's the part 'women say they want a nice guy, but chase bad guys '.



On the other hand

THe cute guy is getting attention, even if he falls on his ass nobody will laugh and girls will run to get him up. The not so cute guy could hit his head with wall nobody would care. Since he's getting attention all the time and all the time getting people, his CONFIDENCE is RISING. " I can get anyone I can without doing anything, if they don't want me, 10 others will. "



See where I'm going.... THERE IS NO BETA AND ALPHA.

There is only YOUR MIND. Stop LIMITING YOURSELF.
Wake up. Or wake up beta dead.

 

[LostAndConfused]

Incoming giant block of text....

I think it reflects a broad cultural shift which shames men against sleeping around as well as women. It used to be the classic double standard which allowed men to sleep around but if women did the same, they were called sl*ts. Now women (and many men) are applying the same rigid standards to men.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/04/generation_scold.html

We're becoming more conservative and prudish as a society (at least where I live). Girls at my part-time job when I was younger thought I was this massive man***** because I wasn't interested in dating and was flirtatious with lots of women.....even though I was hardly drowning in pvssy at the time! People are quick to judge based on the vibe you give out.

Interesting article. I liked what it said about how the 70s idealized the Don, and it completely did....look at the James Bond series. Only recently has the series begun to taper off (and IMHO Pierce Brosnan was the last real Bond).

However I completely disagree with the fact that the double standard is simply being removed.

Take it further...

The whole paradigm is shifting in the reverse direction.

Now women can, to a lesser extent (granted), cavort around on a bag of ****s, and write it off as "testing the waters."

I think this is what's happened recently. Feel free to disagree :rockon:

(1) Behavior psychology has only recently (past few decades) emerged as a prominent scientific field.
(2) The results of these experimentally proven and replicated studies are....unnerving... to say the least
(3) Feminists interpret these results in a way that hasn't even fully been fleshed out by their own field.
(4) (the kicker) They write caddish behavior as an abuse of power. Much like the proverbial "date rapist," playboys/DJs/PUAs/ladykillers are painted with the "taking advantage of women" brush. Only now, they are abusing women based on their ability to play and manipulate with their very psyches.


This is clearly the destination that our recent decade has taken. I continue:

The only guys not affected by this are the those with high enough social leverage (i.e. super-alphas) where they can define their own narrative and women have no choice but to follow it (i.e. sleep with me or you're not part of the in-crowd). Women don't mind this quid pro quo arrangement because they gain social status from it. Scorn and shame is only reserved for the 90% beta men (i.e. the rest of us) who have nothing comparable to offer, that try and break the mold by mimicking alpha behavior.

This this and this. Now that men have figured out how to SEEM like an alpha, women now complain that they are being taken advantage of when there is an army of newly-empowered men giving them earthquakes of gina tingles. And the problem we ALL fall into is acting more beta as relationships progress. Hell, even after a same night lay I'm interested in how the girl is doing the day after.

To make matters worse, there's alot of cognitive dissonance experienced by the modern girl attracted to the caddish prettyboy LostnConfused. On one hand SUPERGRRLPOWER sisterhoods now actively blacklist guys (I seriously think I'm blacklisted, bros), and on the other hand, "why is my pvssy getting so wet when I'm around him?"


My personal issue probably doesn't lie with this, I've gotten quite alpha as of lately, but women tend to paint men with the same brush...

I feel like the only way a girl can really call you a "manwh0re" is if you hook up with woman below standards. This has happened to me before. I just brush it off and tell people I am a man. I take what I want. No questions.

I think this is actually my problem. I'm not a dumpster diver, but I have used less attractive women to break cold streaks. I'm very good looking but have only very recently started to come into my own with game. Maybe some guys hate me because I pump and dump some girls they'd like to date. And you get a ****ton of dissonance when you see a guy cavorting around with both cute and less-cute women. Hence the term manwh0re?

I'm still really confused though. As a student of Roissy, I always thought the more women I slept with the more they'd see me as a prize. It makes sense, right? Can you even go overboard with that ****?

I don't even consider myself a manwh0re when I compare myself with my other friend. He's damn near reached 100 women, some of them EXTREMELY hot (porn stars, strippers), others were straight gutter *****es.


Sorry I'm not sorry for having my biological imperative fulfilled, ladies.

 

[sstype]

I'm still really confused though. As a student of Roissy, I always thought the more women I slept with the more they'd see me as a prize. It makes sense, right? Can you even go overboard with that ****?

Correlation does not equal causation. The guys you see sleeping with lots of women and getting away with it usually have something that most women want (i.e. access to high status social circles/bragging rights/monetary wealth). So in that case hypergamous women will tolerate "sharing" their man so long as they are benefiting socially from hooking up with him.

Those are the alphas in a traditional sense. Its ok to have sex with them because they are at the top of the pecking order so they define what is acceptable behavior and everyone else must follow or be banned from the group.

Women don't want to be seen as easily accessible to most men.....even men are adamant about not dating a "slut." So for men who aren't alpha in a socioeconomic sense, women demand relationships and traditional courtship (i.e. boyfriend/provider/husband). What you're seeing is a defense mechanism by women who you're dating but have no intention of getting serious with. To save face and shift the accountability of having non-committal sex with a typical average joe, they label you a manwh*re

Scott, alpha and beta denotes a man's relative social position, nothing more. Whoever is the leader of the group is the alpha. The followers are betas. Betas can still be sexually attractive, dominant, and confident.

The betas (majority of men) can still get laid, even consistently with different women...they just have to be more discreet about it. This behavior in fact is common among wolves, where a female in a pack will allow a lone beta wolf to mate with her so long as its done without the rest of the pack knowing. For you, you can continue to play the field, just don't do it through the traditional dating medium. Don't let any of her friends know about it. Don't wine and dine and try to court her, make it clear that you're the fling guy but you won't kiss and tell. Let her get her rocks off without having to be judged negatively by her social group.

 

[Wildebeest]

very eye opening for me,
especially the part where you mention that a true alpha is excused for equal behaviour because the multiple girls gain in status

 

[Zerro]

I'm still really confused though. As a student of Roissy, I always thought the more women I slept with the more they'd see me as a prize.

Not if you're sleeping with lots of low-quality women, or at least women whom many of the other women perceive as lower-quality than themselves. High-quality women aren't interested in low-quality men who frequently bang low-quality women, there's no status to gain from being involved with him. It's better to be a high-quality man who is at least selective about which women he chooses.

Going back to my former friend the self-admitted manwh*ore, this was the issue that even I had with him. He had such lax selection criteria in his quantity over quality approach that it was lowering his social standing even among his male friends. Even worse was that he would brag about every lay, and not understand why I was not impressed with his growing count. Why would I be when most of them were chicks I wouldn't give the time of day to?

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

My brother. I used to be the same way. However, I have slept with one ugly chick (fat) in my life. The rest were either average or cute or higher. It got to the point where I couldn't even holla at the fine chicks at my small school because I already smashed the friends. It also got to the point where I'd invite a girl to my crib just so they would stop bothering me asking me to hang out. They'd come over to the crib and annoy the $hit outta me. To be honest I rather chill by myself and do homework then smash an average looking girl. So recently I told my self that I am only messing with fine chicks. A girl who I'm with is going to be a reflection of my ambition and assets. Quality over quanitity. Right now I'm only talking to one girl but it should get better soon and I can say this girl is a dime. No flaws in her appearance. Can't wait until I have a full team of girls that look like this.