Man-up

[strey]

this term has recently pissed me the **** off. my girlfriend and my friends that are women are constantly saying this bull**** to me. i say i hate my job- they say " man-up" and stick with it, :box: i piss my gf off, and she says " man-up and treat me like a women! :trouble: *****-i am a man, girls are so ****ing stupid, seriously they have no ****ing clue what men go through, they are so worried about material wealth and status its crazy. being a man isnt working a job you hate just so you can pay bills on crap you dont need. it isnt doing what a girl tells you. its doing whats right for yourself. i have tried not to be so selfish, but it isnt working. people just dont see past the bul****. i am currently going crazy. i am working a job here i hate because i have recently just met a girl who has changed my entire perception of women all together, but my views of the world still are the same. but let this be a message to everyone, dont take **** from no one, and never let a women dictate your life for you. being a man is simple, just tell the world to suck your ****!!!

 

[Colossus]

This is the latest of feminized canned responses that women use to shame men and avoid being responsible for their OWN happiness. I'm with you brother. When some wench tells me to "man-up" I want to punch her in the stomach. Women will never, EVER understand the sacrifices men make for them and their families. Such is the lot of men; to bear the heavier burden.

This is why INGRATITUDE is something that p!sses men off more than almost anything else. You bust your hump to pay for your responsibilities and give her a little extra--and they still find something that you arent doing or dont do well. There is always something they want.

I have a buddy who has a gf, nice girl. He pays half her rent, her gym membership (which she does not use), buys her dinner and bought her NEW furniture!! He is not an AFC, he just made good money at his last job and he is a generous guy. But you know what she does when he goes out with his buddies or wants to take a trip by himself?? B!tches. She henpecks him about how he manages his money, and he LAYS INTO HER. It infuriates him that after all he does, she sits at home and gains weight and has the gall to say something to him about how he wants to spend his money. She really is a nice girl, but she is a woman. They dont understand the sacrifice.

Gratitude is an ACTION, not a script of words.

 

[SharpGame]

No offense, but it sounds to me like they're warning you to quit you're b!tching before they decide to avoid you. Do you complain to the people around you a lot? I have a friend who constantly complains about his lot in life. Whenever I call him on the phone and ask him "How's it going?" I just hear "Ugh" or some other disgusted sigh. It makes me not want to be near him and I suspect his wife is getting fed up with it too.

I've learned the importance of limiting my complaining. If you b!tch and moan about everything, people will perceive you as being in a bad situation AND being powerless to do anything about it.

With women especially, it's best to look like you've got a lot of good things going for you and that it happens effortlessly for you. The last thing you want to do is make your friends/girlfriend feel like whenever you're around they're going to be put in a bad mood.

 

[Demodulate]

I recently told a girl I know to man up after she got busted kissing some other dude by her BF's friends..

she had the audacity to say it was partially the BF's fault for this problem...

I told her to man up and accept that it was 100% her fault..

she is still in denial.. and the worst part is the BF took her back..

shurg..

it felt good to tell whiney girl to man up though.

 

[IamMyownMan]

Do you live with this girl?

 

[Vulpine]

I look at "man up" just as I do the whole chivalry thing.

When prompted to be chivalrous, or told to "man up" my response is the same:

"Do you honestly believe you know more about being a man [being chivalrous] than I do?"

Then STFU and look them down as they squirm and ultimately back-peddle.


Usually, that shuts down their crap. However, I had a chick come back with: "Apparently."

V: "Apparently? Let me ask you then, smarty, what do you tell a woman with two black eyes?"

Chick: "Man up?"

V: "Nothing: she's already been told twice."

 

[DJArlington]

I look at "man up" just as I do the whole chivalry thing.

When prompted to be chivalrous, or told to "man up" my response is the same:

"Do you honestly believe you know more about being a man [being chivalrous] than I do?"

Then STFU and look them down as they squirm and ultimately back-peddle.


Usually, that shuts down their crap. However, I had a chick come back with: "Apparently."

V: "Apparently? Let me ask you then, smarty, what do you tell a woman with two black eyes?"

Chick: "Man up?"

V: "Nothing: she's already been told twice."

Bro that was classic!

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

While women are congratulated for embodying masculine traits with an acceptance of her feminine character, men are conditioned to believe that feminine traits ARE masculine traits and any traditionally masculine characteristics that manifest themselves in us are the unfortuante byproducts of our 'flawed' biology. And the true crime of this gender redefining is the real "double standard" that men should be so feminized as to loathe their innate masculinity, yet still be held liable for uniquely male, traditionally masculine responsibilities and accountabilities by virtue of them being male. It's a gender Catch 22; hate your masculinity, but be held responsible for not "being man enough" to solve uniquely male problems, only to be ridiculed when a masculinized woman steps in to do so and he's then ridiculed for not being as masculine as she is. That's the cycle. This is self-perpetuating negative masculinity that has led to generations of AFCs.

This is from part what I posted in the Positive Masculinity thread. The "man-up" terminology is a perfect example of this male gender Catch 22. When a woman says to you, "Man Up", the context is entirely different than when another male tells you to. When a woman uses 'Man Up' it's used in the sense of expectation on her part. Essentially you're not behaving as a man ought to from her perspective.

Now before this gets too behavior specific, understand my focus isn't about what it is you're doing, but rather the gender specific shame she's using to define what masculinity should be. The same masculinity that she ridicules is exactly what she'll shame you for not possessing if it suits her expectations. "Man Up" when what she needs is masculine, but "Femme Down" when she thinks you're emotionally unavailable or a 'big jerk'.

This is a classic attempt to control the terminology. I recently read an article that STR8UP linked on how men are MORE prone to "commitment" than women are - essentially commitment in business, military service, school, employment, etc. However our popular of interpretation of the term "commitment" with regard to men is almost invariably tied to "commitment" to women. The feminine imperative OWNS this term. When someone makes reference to men fearing "commitment" the automatic association is linked to commitment to women. Own the terminology and you control the shame.

 

[jophil28]

She says , " Man up !" (to manipulate you into behaving in a way that benefits her interests.)

You reply, " MY self regard AS A MAN does not allow for an insult like that from a woman. "

AND WALK AWAY.. she will be struck dumb.

 

[Warrior74]

She says , " Man up !" (to manipulate you into behaving in a way that benefits her interests.)

You reply, *smirk* and keep doing what you wanted to do. Don't even bother responding.

 

[mrRuckus]

I keep wondering why we bother with women at all. They all sound like intellectual children with laughable notions of the world that aren't even possible to really discuss with them let alone change.

It just seems like this more and more everyday.... shrug. It this just the average shmuck girl or are there actually a number that aren't sucked into this bullsh1t kind of worldview?

 

[DarkShade]

Yeah I have to mildly rofl at women who think they know how to be a man. That would be like me advocating the use of one tampon over the other -- you'd look damn ridiculous.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

They all sound like intellectual children with laughable notions of the world that aren't even possible to really discuss with them let alone change.

No, just the ones you'd want to ƒuck.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I don't think it matters what specific "phrase" anybody uses, or whatever you imagine their intent is. I think the real issue is that if you look for aproval or acceptance or validation for your decisions or actions, (or who you are as a person, for that matter) your gonna leave yourself open for manipulation.

If she looked at you and said "I think you need to brush your teeth with XYZ toothpaste instead of YYZ toothpaste" you'd look at her with a "um yea, whatever" expression on your face and in your mind.

If you choose to allow your feelings and emotions to be manipulated by a woman, any woman, regardless whether or not you wanna pound her fish, that is all on you, bro.

You might wanna try a book called "When I Say No I feel guilty" which has many fantastic exercises to do to keep you from being manipulated.

 

[jophil28]

I remember the "old days" when a woman would never say " man up ! " or the like, to a man.

Firstly, women had respect and admiration for men back in the day . Men and women had clearer roles and each functioned in more complimentary ways.
Feminism and the more extreme views of the women's movement changed all that. Women were radidly taught that men were the enemy, and they believed it.
Academic thinking also became infected with the post modernist hoax, and the propoganda of the left wing was eagerly absorbed , and the left loves subverting the stablised order. Hence we now have an unstable social order in which women are angry at men for NO LEGITIMATE reasons, men are bewildered and struggling for clarity ,and the divorce rate is above 50% with most divorces initiated by HER. Those evil bastard/baitches have won.

The 'competition' between the sexes is a recent phenomenon. I have seen the shift from a time when women were devoted to their husbands, to the current situatuion in which women have bought the belief that men are to be insulted, controlled or discarded if she FEELS the urge to do so.

Women now have much more social power than men, and I have said many times that women discharge and execute power very badly. Add to this their habitually avoidance of accountablility, and we now have a situation in which have no FEAR of saying and doing anything to a man.


"Man up ! " is also a bear trap in which the guy loses or loses.
IF he complies and accepts that he needs so "do better" then he is whipped and under her control. She has just learned how to achieve POWER with two words.
IF he argues back and defends his actions he is accused of being difficult and is likely to be accused furtherof being "unmanly", "wishy washy" irresponsiblel" .... because women today believe that THEY are the arbiter of what is acceptable male behavior, and they are entitled to have a man change his ways to suit her wishes just because she, a woman, says so.

I feel for you younger guys- you are in for a torrid life if you marry into all this..