Man Brings Flowers For Ex-Wife Then Shoots Her Dead, then Himself

56andre

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Quiksilver said:
For the year 2005.

Australia - http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/productsbyCatalogue/669C5A997EAED891CA2568A900139405/

USA - http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Home invasion, burglary, property crime:

Australia - In total, 488,200 households were victims of one or more of these selected household crimes, equating to an overall household victimisation prevalence rate of 6.2%.

USA - (10,174,754 incidents / 296,507,061 population) x 100 = 3.43%

Violent (armed robbery, sexual assault, aggravated assault):

Australia - In total 841,500 persons aged 15 years and over were victims of one or more of these selected personal crimes, equating to an overall personal victimisation prevalence rate of 5.3%.

USA - (1,374,005 / 296,507,061) x 100 = 0.46%

(Note how Australian statistics are hard to find and source, leaving generally only one government source that is in coherent form. I have no doubt that even the Australian numbers listed here are 'cooked' a little bit, due to the reporting disqualifiers in recent crime standards guidelines. These new 'standards' came in to effect shortly after the spike in violent crime following the handgun confiscation program of 2002 after the Monash Uni shooting. It does not help to politically lose face, due to the failure of the program and underlying philosophy that law abiding citizens are safer without their firearms, so one must change the way in which crimes are reported to disqualify a certain number of crimes committed for various reasons.)

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Regarding your second point, it has happened before and happens all the time, generally in more corrupt nations. Is it possible in America and other western nations? Yes. Has it happened recently? Who knows. Unless those who sanction such acts come out and say "I did it", we'll never know.

Whether or not it is to violate your freedoms or to carry out shady foreign policy under the guise of "end justifies the means", it does have precedence in your government:

Operation Northwoods.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf (Page 8, Section 4)
Thanks for the links

You sound pretty passionate and well informed. Are you a law student man?
 

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Guns kill people like pencils cause bad spelling. Guns don't do anything by them selves except make a good paperweight.

Taking guns away from people will not STOP CRIME because the only guns taken away will be from law biding citizens who have theirs legally registered. But a burglar standing outside your home will think twice if there is an "I SUPPORT GUN RIGHTS!" sign in the front yard.

Tha man in the article went to kill his ex. Plain & simple. If he didn't have a gun he'd have used a knife, crowbar or choked her with bare hands. (Can't regulate THOSE!)
 

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I agree with the pro firearm lobby here and thank you for your effort giving the facts and statistics. Only regimes where gun control really works are brutal dictatorships like Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany and Saddam's Iraq. No crime there. But the price for it? Don't even ask. And the sole purpose for these regimes to restrict access to the guns is obvious - no revolt.

Look at todays Libya. If the Eastern part army did not revolt and help the protesters they would be slaughtered like sheep the same way they were in the west of Lybia.

But we are forgetting the main reason for this tragedy of bad boy killing his wife. Bad boys are nothing more than AFC only they don't turn Nice but the opposite. It is the same as in political spectrum....Communists and Fascists....they look different, they talk different but the outcome is the same because it is based by the same character flaw. Frustrated, narcissistic, opportunistic motherf@ckers.

Bad boys shoot women and Nice Guys help to make castration laws.

R.I.P.
 

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Drdeee said:
It is a historical fact. Example Adolf Hitler and the Reichstag fire. Check this out


Other historical examples is the Gulf of Tonkin incident that started Vietnam war. United States setup the whole incident and started a war for political reasons.

Another good one is USS Liberty. Israel attacked the ship and killed 34 American crew men. Apparently in order to blame Egypt and get United States involved.
Comparing Nazi Germany to democratic USA and democratic Israel is somewhat overstretched. You can't put aside the nature of each states, historical circumstances and their motives. You also have to see the outcome. Comparisons like this are called being a demagogue.
And what are trying to say? That USA is brutal dictatorship, planning to seize absolute power over world and exterminate all lesser races? Or that USA is run by Jews who want to exterminate all other races? In that case I see the USS Liberty sinking a bit odd. Or not but the US reaction then seems odd...they should go along with it and blame it on Egyptians.
It is just stupid. In Israel and in USA is democracy....not a perfect one but the best there is. And you simply cannot conspire in democracy....it doesn't work like that.
 
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