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Lexington said:
I guess there are some 6 and 7 chicks "landing" guys who are 10s. But there is a very big difference between getting a rental car, leasing a car and buying it outright. A guy who is a 10 will surely have a large number of options, so a 6 or 7 is going to be a short term fvck at best
Right, it's just like a guy who's a 6. He may get a date or a ONS with a 9, but she's not going to be sticking with him long term. Not when there are better options out there.

I think this whole "fat ugly women have more options than good looking guys" thing is very overstated. I know some fat, ugly women, and they are not getting dates. They may get a pity fvck now and then. Good looking guys may not have a multitude of girls approaching them, but they do have options. They just have to exercise them. Men are the pursuers.
 

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Lexington said:
I guess there are some 6 and 7 chicks "landing" guys who are 10s. But there is a very big difference between getting a rental car, leasing a car and buying it outright. A guy who is a 10 will surely have a large number of options, so a 6 or 7 is going to be a short term fvck at best....just something to get his d*ck wet.

A woman's attractiveness also declines far more rapidly than a man's (assuming the guy takes decent care of himself). So by her mid 20s, the receptionist is going to quickly realize that Tom Brady isn't going to sweep her off her feet any time soon. Why would he when there are literally millions of hot women that would drop their panties for him?

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Not true because the hb 10 girls don't want hb 10 dudes they want hb 12...or 10+ dudes...meaning celebrity + money + looks...obviously there are not enough of these guys around but that doesn't stop them from dreaming which means the hb 7-8 chicks get 10 guys.

I don't see receptionists 7s in their mid 20s realizing a thing..they are still pining for the hedge fund CEO who is banging bonafied 10s or at least $$$ to bang them. maybe in their 40s they will realize something (and then write long screeds about it in huffington) but who wants to fvck them then?!
 

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Danger said:
I have to agree.

The process is something like this.


Age 17: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 18: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 19: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 20: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 21: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 22: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 23: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 24: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 25: Date and fvk hot guys (one friend gets married, yay)
Age 26: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 27: Date and fvk hot guys (a few friends get married, my knight will come soon)
Age 28: Date and fvk hot guys (I need to go out more and look harder for my knight)
Age 29: Date and fvk hot guys (Why won't these guys commit?)
Age 30: Lose hot guys to young 20 somethings (uh oh, I better find someone fast)
Age 31: Find a guy, he is average but will do.
Age 32: Get comfortable with the average guy, start to put on weight.
Age 33: Marry the average guy, secure the money and commitment.
Age 40: Option A: Fvk hot guy, divorce hubby with cash and prizes, embrace Cougardom.
Age 40: Option B: Fvk around on hubby with hot guys, while getting benefits of hubby's money.

This is why it is best to not even bother with the broken 30 somethings. For the most part you are getting either a wh0re or, a girl who has reached peak phobia on securing a man, and who will destroy you in ten years.

Of course, screening is top importance regardless of age.
well said!
 

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Not true because the hb 10 girls don't want hb 10 dudes they want hb 12...or 10+ dudes...meaning celebrity + money + looks...obviously there are not enough of these guys around but that doesn't stop them from dreaming which means the hb 7-8 chicks get 10 guys.

I don't see receptionists 7s in their mid 20s realizing a thing..they are still pining for the hedge fund CEO who is banging bonafied 10s or at least $$$ to bang them. maybe in their 40s they will realize something (and then write long screeds about it in huffington) but who wants to fvck them then?!
Wanting something and getting it are two very different things. These girls might want and expect 10s and 10+s but it ain't going to happen. If all girls want 10s, and 10s are a rare thing, then these 10s have a huge number of options. So it's extremely unlikely they'd be settling for 7s and 8s.

There are some girls who are too dense to get it and they do end up writing for the Muff Po. But most will get a rude awakening about their value at some point or the other. At that point, they'll settle down for some poor chump who's willing to put up with her sh*t as long as he gets some pvssy. In romance as in economics, we can't overcome market forces!
 

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Lexington said:
Wanting something and getting it are two very different things. These girls might want and expect 10s and 10+s but it ain't going to happen. If all girls want 10s, and 10s are a rare thing, then these 10s have a huge number of options. So it's extremely unlikely they'd be settling for 7s and 8s.

There are some girls who are too dense to get it and they do end up writing for the Muff Po. But most will get a rude awakening about their value at some point or the other. At that point, they'll settle down for some poor chump who's willing to put up with her sh*t as long as he gets some pvssy. In romance as in economics, we can't overcome market forces!

But you are making a crucial mistake.

YOU ASSUME WOMEN ARE LOGICAL

they are not...they will realize their declining value...but not until they are 45-50 LONG AFTER ANYONE WANTS TO FVCK THEM.

the 'some girls who write for muff po' is actually 99.9% of girls hb6 and above ages 18-35 (in short all the girls that can remotely get a dudes d!ck wet)..not a minority

Danger's chart summed up the mentality perfectly....the one thing to tatoo on your arm WOMEN NEVER THINK LOGICALLY ABOUT LOVE AND RELATIONSHIPS...NEVER...EVEN WHEN IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM IMMENSELY.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Danger said:
I have to agree.

The process is something like this.


Age 17: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 18: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 19: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 20: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 21: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 22: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 23: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 24: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 25: Date and fvk hot guys (one friend gets married, yay)
Age 26: Date and fvk hot guys
Age 27: Date and fvk hot guys (a few friends get married, my knight will come soon)
Age 28: Date and fvk hot guys (I need to go out more and look harder for my knight)
Age 29: Date and fvk hot guys (Why won't these guys commit?)
Age 30: Lose hot guys to young 20 somethings (uh oh, I better find someone fast)
Age 31: Find a guy, he is average but will do.
Age 32: Get comfortable with the average guy, start to put on weight.
Age 33: Marry the average guy, secure the money and commitment.
Age 40: Option A: Fvk hot guy, divorce hubby with cash and prizes, embrace Cougardom.
Age 40: Option B: Fvk around on hubby with hot guys, while getting benefits of hubby's money.

This is why it is best to not even bother with the broken 30 somethings. For the most part you are getting either a wh0re or, a girl who has reached peak phobia on securing a man, and who will destroy you in ten years.

Of course, screening is top importance regardless of age.
This is pretty spot on in my experience. Rollo wrote something about this not long ago as well:

http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/looks-count/
 

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Burroughs said:
But you are making a crucial mistake.

YOU ASSUME WOMEN ARE LOGICAL

they are not...they will realize their declining value...but not until they are 45-50 LONG AFTER ANYONE WANTS TO FVCK THEM.

the 'some girls who write for muff po' is actually 99.9% of girls hb6 and above ages 18-35 (in short all the girls that can remotely get a dudes d!ck wet)..not a minority

Danger's chart summed up the mentality perfectly....the one thing to tatoo on your arm WOMEN NEVER THINK LOGICALLY ABOUT LOVE AND RELATIONSHIPS...NEVER...EVEN WHEN IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM IMMENSELY.

Not long ago I had a first date with this woman: 32 years old, still a HB7 at her age. Things seemed to be going well, and I was thinking to myself "I wouldn't mind seeing her again." We seemed to be hitting it off. Then she says "I'll be honest, I'm just not feeling a romantic connection." We were having drinks, so I closed out and ended the date at that point. But among other things, she revealed the following on the date: she's been out of work since July 2011, quit her job at a hedge fund because it was "boring." Since then she's run out of money and mommy and daddy are subsidizing her fancy apartment in the downtown area of the major metropolitan city we live in. By her own admission she wakes up at noon every day. She does have an MBA but she's not doing a thing with it. She's a smoker. She was also talking about other guys she had been on dates with like days before we met up. It's one thing to understand that they spin plates just like we do, but it's pretty crass to throw in my face that you're going on dates with other guys. I remember thinking in my head after she said what she did: "You really need to be a little bit more humble and realize that you're not bringing nearly as much to the table as you think you are." She had a great body, decent face, she wasn't an idiot to talk to. I have a job I'm successful at, I'm slightly above average in looks, I am in good physical shape. It's not arrogant for me to think of myself as a catch. But do you think a man in her shoes could even expect to get a date? If I quit my job, I couldn't expect mommy and daddy to subsidize my existence. And yet she thinks she's entitled to a boyfriend.

I agree with the tenor of this thread. Women today are out of control with entitlement issues. It reminds me of Kate Bolick's article in the Atlantic from a few months ago that got quite a response on the web, "All The Single Ladies." In it she recounts that at age 28 she broke up with a guy that she was serious with. Looking back in retrospect, she can't find any real faults with him and by her own admission broke up with him for "no good reason." He was a great guy, it wasn't like he was an AFC doormat that killed her attraction for him. Her reasoning was "I just didn't feel like I was quite ready to settle down and something seemed missing." So, in other words, she had a BMW, but thought that somewhere out there a Maybach was waiting for her. She also didn't understand that at 28 she was at the peak of her sexual market value and it was a steady downhill climb from there.

Guys, on the other hand, just don't do this. If they're with a woman that they believe to be quality and think they've hit a home run, they don't say to themselves "Maybe I can hit a grand slam with somebody else." Maybe it's the way the dating market has sorted itself out these days, but guys seem to approach dating with more of an attitude of pragmatism...and appreciation for when they find somebody they really click and connect with. There doesn't seem to be anything remotely like the phenomenon of hypergamy for men. My last serious relationship, my opinion of my ex has obviously changed, but on the best day of that relationship, you could have put Natalie Portman, Charlize Theron, Angelina Jolie, whoever in front of me, and I would have picked my ex. I bet if you asked a married man who is content and happy with his wife, he would answer the same way.
 

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Burroughs said:
But you are making a crucial mistake.

YOU ASSUME WOMEN ARE LOGICAL

they are not...they will realize their declining value...but not until they are 45-50 LONG AFTER ANYONE WANTS TO FVCK THEM.

the 'some girls who write for muff po' is actually 99.9% of girls hb6 and above ages 18-35 (in short all the girls that can remotely get a dudes d!ck wet)..not a minority

Danger's chart summed up the mentality perfectly....the one thing to tatoo on your arm WOMEN NEVER THINK LOGICALLY ABOUT LOVE AND RELATIONSHIPS...NEVER...EVEN WHEN IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM IMMENSELY.
I agree that they're not as logical as men but you don't have to be a genius to realize that the kind of guys who are hitting on you are nothing like Tom Brady or Justin Timberlake or [insert rich and famous male sex symbol here].

Women are fully aware of how attractive they are. Because this is one of the main ways that women are judged in the world. This is why women spend hours shopping for clothes and makeup etc. This is why girls have extremely deceptive pictures on Facebook which hide their flaws. It's also why fat girls try a lot harder than the skinny/attractive ones.

Think of any famous attractive woman. Just about all of them are more worshiped by women than they are by men. Guys will think "oh yeah she's pretty hot" and maybe they'll jerk off to her picture, but they're not going to idolize her.

I highly doubt all the millions of women who tuned into the Royal Wedding really thought they were as pretty as Kate Middleton. I don't think all the girls who worship the latest greatest Victoria's Secret supermodel think they are as sexy as she is.
 

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Findog said:
I agree with the tenor of this thread. Women today are out of control with entitlement issues. It reminds me of Kate Bolick's article in the Atlantic from a few months ago that got quite a response on the web, "All The Single Ladies." In it she recounts that at age 28 she broke up with a guy that she was serious with. Looking back in retrospect, she can't find any real faults with him and by her own admission broke up with him for "no good reason." He was a great guy, it wasn't like he was an AFC doormat that killed her attraction for him. Her reasoning was "I just didn't feel like I was quite ready to settle down and something seemed missing." So, in other words, she had a BMW, but thought that somewhere out there a Maybach was waiting for her. She also didn't understand that at 28 she was at the peak of her sexual market value and it was a steady downhill climb from there.

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I think the mistake Kate B made is a mistake most hotter (read the women WE want) make at the apex of their attractiveness...kate wanted a guy...MUCCCCHHHHH higher on the scale then she was EVEN AT HER HOTTEST APEX....that is if she was an 8 she wanted an 11

have a BMW...want a maybach...wait a few years you might be sorry..you'll find yourself in a yugo

....FVCKED UP, INSANE?

Yes.

That unemployed hedge fund chick you dated HONESTLY THINKS SHE DESERVES MUCH BETTER THAN YOU...put on her on a lie detector and it wouldn't budge....you might have been 1-2 notches above her...but her hot body makes her think the world is still her oyster and she deserves a movie star.

THE REALLY SAD PART

in 10-15 years when she gets how ridiculously short sighted she was in her 30s (not 2 or 3 years folks 10-15 years) the smoking and life will have taken a toll and she will be far beyond the point of fvckability outside of a random cvm dumpster for upscale barflies.
 

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Burroughs said:
This is THE most irritating aspect of the game today...there is a nearly 3-4hb disparity between men and women ...in simple terms hb 6-7 women can and do land hb10 men frequently...
This is why I like living in Eastern Europe. Just today (in Kiev), I saw a bombshell HB10 with a regular looking man (he was fit, but only about 5'10", 160#, not especially handsome.) In the USA, this guy would be *fortunate* to be a dumpy chick, perhaps with a kid. :down:

Case in point. I was staying at a hostel just recently before getting my apartment (I just got back from my winter break to visit back home and to ski.) There were a few American chicks who had passed through (most seemed to be unemployable new college graduates doing Peace Corps), and every single one of them was chunky. In all my years of traveling around Europe - East & West, except for my trip in 1987, I have yet to see an attractive American woman in Europe. Period! Contract that with me just taking the bus from the metro station to my apartment, on a regularly crowded bus, I always encounter at least 2 hot chicks.
 

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Burroughs said:
I think the mistake Kate B made is a mistake most hotter (read the women WE want) make at the apex of their attractiveness...kate wanted a guy...MUCCCCHHHHH higher on the scale then she was EVEN AT HER HOTTEST APEX....that is if she was an 8 she wanted an 11

have a BMW...want a maybach...wait a few years you might be sorry..you'll find yourself in a yugo

....FVCKED UP, INSANE?

Yes, it is insane. I totally get that emotions play a role in who we choose to mate with. Not even men make completely pragmatic and logical decisions in dating, but I think most guys for long-term purposes will take the 7 that is a quality chick over a 9 that is flaky or entitled or whatever.

That unemployed hedge fund chick you dated HONESTLY THINKS SHE DESERVES MUCH BETTER THAN YOU...put on her on a lie detector and it wouldn't budge....you might have been 1-2 notches above her...but her hot body makes her think the world is still her oyster and she deserves a movie star.

THE REALLY SAD PART

in 10-15 years when she gets how ridiculously short sighted she was in her 30s (not 2 or 3 years folks 10-15 years) the smoking and life will have taken a toll and she will be far beyond the point of fvckability outside of a random cvm dumpster for upscale barflies
What's funny is that the way she handled things and carried herself totally repulsed me. I wouldn't consider her for anything other than an eff buddy after that. It really is true that women peak in their twenties and their value declines after that. Men peak in their thirties and if they work their @sses off they can mitigate their decline somewhat. It's a concept that I've read about on sosuave and am now seeing it more and more away from the computer. It's just funny to see a woman past her peak still carry herself with this attitude that she can pull the male equivalent of an HB10.

If nothing else, besides killing your own chances with women, orbiting and AFC'ness screws over your fellow dude by contributing to these entitlement issues that all men have to deal with. There are so many AFCs out there puffing these women up and inflating their egos.
 

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Findog said:
"You really need to be a little bit more humble and realize that you're not bringing nearly as much to the table as you think you are." She had a great body ...
The fact is that an American woman with a great body is so rare. Sigh :( :down:
 

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MatureDJ said:
The fact is that an American woman with a great body is so rare. Sigh :( :down:
It wasn't THAT great. She had a great rack and a relatively flat stomach, but her facial attractiveness was mitigated by the quality of her skin from all the smoking.
 

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MatureDJ said:
This is why I like living in Eastern Europe. Just today (in Kiev), I saw a bombshell HB10 with a regular looking man (he was fit, but only about 5'10", 160#, not especially handsome.) In the USA, this guy would be *fortunate* to be a dumpy chick, perhaps with a kid. :down:

Case in point. I was staying at a hostel just recently before getting my apartment (I just got back from my winter break to visit back home and to ski.) There were a few American chicks who had passed through (most seemed to be unemployable new college graduates doing Peace Corps), and every single one of them was chunky. In all my years of traveling around Europe - East & West, except for my trip in 1987, I have yet to see an attractive American woman in Europe. Period! Contract that with me just taking the bus from the metro station to my apartment, on a regularly crowded bus, I always encounter at least 2 hot chicks.
sounds good!

seems as though I should make a trip to the eastern bloc
 

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Findog said:
Guys, on the other hand, just don't do this. If they're with a woman that they believe to be quality and think they've hit a home run, they don't say to themselves "Maybe I can hit a grand slam with somebody else."
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I do exactly this. My friends keep telling me it's because I'm a Gemini and can't focus on anything for too long, but I think astrology is bull****.
 

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ATX1001 said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I do exactly this. My friends keep telling me it's because I'm a Gemini and can't focus on anything for too long, but I think astrology is bull****.
I think it all depends on your options. An omega male that can't get laid in a brothel will get one-itis for any girl that makes eye contact with him, even if she's hideous. A male that is the equivalent of an HB7 will be happy with a quality woman on his level or above. The male equivalent of HB10s and up, the guys who have looks, money and social status in abundance, the guys who can have just about any woman they want, they'll be players or serial monogamists. They won't commit to women very easily. That's why you see guys like George Clooney, Colin Farrell, Leonardo DiCaprio and Justin Timberlake dump the models and actresses they date for newer girls when they get bored with the old ones. Most guys I bet if they had the opportunity would marry an HB9 or 10. The millionaire actors, the professional athletes, the Wall Street CEOs, they can spin HB10's as plates if they want instead of marrying them.
 
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