Main DJ board has gone south ...

[WestCoaster]

What a sec ...

... I just scanned the headlines of posts on the high school board and it's of higher quality than the main discussion board! Wow ... guys actually interested in becoming true DJs and learning DJ traits.

So high school guys (and gals if there are some), good job.

Main board ... I'm still waiting.

 

[FratAndDiddy]

first, i must say you sound like a "stand up"and "well put together" bro and thanks for jumping to the defense of the younger guys posting.

yes, i agree that some of us "mature men" may have abandon the main post and are not standing up as mature responsible adults getting good posts started in the main board. maybe some of us should jump over there from time-to-time and simply give a small summary of where some of you guys are going wrong.
i will gladly help the main board and help anyone seeking decent advice. but.... i will not get involved with masterbation posts, people posting braggart internet chat logs, posts one that is not in the form of asking advice, or someone who just wants to get on this site and boast of his many female trophies so far in life.
when someone on the main board posts a question, some who post it come back with a "fuk you" answer and are simply not heeding to any advice, it's very hard to offer them anything good .

granted, most of us in life do wish for a one pill fix to our problems
and if that drug ever comes out you can bet the line will be
longer than any rolling stones ticket line. however, it doesn't exist and young bucs will be young bucs and us older guys will continue to shake our heads.

sure, silly questions lesson as we age, but some of these silly
questions could be answered by themselves, if they would just
stop and think.

the point is, is that some on the main board do not want advice and fail to ask the right questions. some do not use the board wisely, others are seeking the advice they observe and i will help them, but to the ones who want to answer people with a "fuk you" i will not repond.

maybe some older guys who have abandon the main board
will come back after your post, but it's also a two-way street whereas some of the younger guys should come and read AND get involved with some really good requests for good advice.

so, without trying not to get real deep into the "no respect in western society" and "generation gap" crap i once again thank you for post and i hope you come back to the mature man board for the expert advice you deserve in your soon to be sucessful life.

Frat

 

[FlyGuy]

JSH:

@FlyGuy, props as well, i think you got it too. Though, I disagree with this emphasis on working out, as much as i am a lone wolf, at times i want company. Social sports also help out and can get you further in life as you have to be willing to work as part of a team and deal effectively with others. I am going to do a full post on this, but a lot of time is spent trying to get people to be sociable and gregarious in every aspect of their life and then to cut out a whole chunk every day. It can act as 'me' time but still, i like to have a mix of exercise.

I would simply say its a matter of what your goals are. My goals were not to build "team player" skills or make new friends, as I feel I already have those areas covered. My goal was first and foremost to build my confidence, change my image (mental and physical), and gain strength. As a skinny guy (a.k.a. an ectomorph) I could not accomplish those goals by joining a sports team. Others may have different fitness goals and sports may be a better fit for them

 

[FlyGuy]

but for example, my mum and my friends (female) were all shocked and basically laughed at the tonkest man on the beach because he looked ridiculously built and in a strange way pathetic. But as usual, go for whatever does it for you.

I don't want to get that big, and I don't even know if I could do it without using steroids (which I don't ever plan on using). This is the transformation I'm going for, almost exactly:

www.musclegaintips.com


Its true there are negative aspects to bodybuilding but so what? There are negative aspects to anything, sports included. Part of the reason I'm not into playing sports is because of the overly-competative atmosphere that I always encountered. Guys were so bent on winning that if you messed up they would just lay into you. There was no "sportsman-like" comraderie(sp?) and of course being extremely thin my whole life I was usually the last to be picked for a team.

Bottom line is that in terms of fitness and physique, there is no "one" solution that is best for everyone. I guess that's all I'm saying. And there are many great benefits of bodybuilding, I owe most of my recent success in life and change of attitude to it.

Carry on...

 

[TooColdUlrick]

but the basic fact still remains...

if these young pups would READ THE BIBLE and THE ARCHIVES, it would answer most, if not all, of their questions. they want a quick fix and despite what most of them say, they are unwilling to lay the necessary foundation--it's as simple as that.

hence the posts on,

"what car should a true DJ drive?"
"should i grow a goatee?"

WAKE UP!!! IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!

(notice that these sorts of questions/issues aren't in The Archive, for good reason)

90% of all the posts have already been debated ad nausium. if they are unwilling to lay the foundation, you get repeated questions from AFC's--ones that address the symptoms of their AFC-ness and not the root cause. so they chase their tail until they finally wake up. most don't (won't). the fact that the Main board has gone south is proof of this.

this, despite the Sticky on the Main board. further proof.

i've noticed WestCoaster shouting out here and there on the Main board. we need to do more of this. we need to b!tch slap some (many) of these posters--especially the ones that have 1,000 posts and still ask stupid questions.

we should think about putting a post similar to the old "KNOCK IT OFF!!!" post a while back. except this time, all of us geezers are chiming in, and referencing some of the stupidity (as we're doing here).

"The Long Road Out Of AFC-Ness"
"DJ For Life???"

or some other title. we need a great title first.

we need one general to lead the topic and three or four lieutenants. we need to be firm, harsh even. we need to get straight what we want to accomplish.

who's in?

 

[coldcoal]

Has anyone considered that there is very little if any place for Sosuave to go but downhill? When the site was concepted it was badly needed. When people like Pook joined up, there was a large void of bible material, and so it was easier for someone whom already had a clue in the game to make a positive impression here, especially one whom had literary skills. Could have been anyone.

It wasn't the "masters" or "geezers" that made the forums good. What made the forums good was that they were the seeds that sprouted the bible itself. Today, it's 98% backwards. The bible guidelines the forums for the most part.

And that's the problem. The forums aren't needed to make the site better anymore. The forums are just an interactive tool for the lazy, the philosphical and the disturbed and the bored.

It is not the newbies that are the "enemy", it is the lack of someplace new for Sosuave to grow. "Help the newbies" is the only reason to post anymore, and it gets old. There is nothing creative to participate in.

Eh. What do I know.

 

[coldcoal]

After thought: Maybe we need to start working on an advanced "Anti-Bible", full of "anti-rules" and why they sometimes work...like a DJ in sheeps clothing sort of thing.

 

[Eternal]

There tends to be a change of heart among most of you. When the mods start to really crackdown on the posts, we get complaints that we "are trying too hard and should loosen up." Yet when we get a little lax, we get bombed with "why is THIS around?"

 

[FlyGuy]

Personally I don't think its the mod's fault. To reiterate my point I just think most newbies want a quick fix. The DJ Bible outlines all the DJ philosophies, its up to individuals to take the advice or ignore it. IMO the best way to handle it is to lead by example, make good posts, etc. and the ones who want to put in the work will eventually come around.

In a way the state of the boards right now is a good sign... lots of new blood means that there are more and more young guys who are trying to break free of feminized society.

 

[Porky]

Originally posted by coldcoal
Has anyone considered that there is very little if any place for Sosuave to go but downhill? When the site was concepted it was badly needed. When people like Pook joined up, there was a large void of bible material, and so it was easier for someone whom already had a clue in the game to make a positive impression here, especially one whom had literary skills. Could have been anyone.

It wasn't the "masters" or "geezers" that made the forums good. What made the forums good was that they were the seeds that sprouted the bible itself. Today, it's 98% backwards. The bible guidelines the forums for the most part.

And that's the problem. The forums aren't needed to make the site better anymore. The forums are just an interactive tool for the lazy, the philosphical and the disturbed and the bored.

It is not the newbies that are the "enemy", it is the lack of someplace new for Sosuave to grow. "Help the newbies" is the only reason to post anymore, and it gets old. There is nothing creative to participate in.

Eh. What do I know.

I disagree. There are a few really good guys here who knows hteir stuff. That's the reason I keep coming back, and I expect it's the same for others.

i've noticed WestCoaster shouting out here and there on the Main board. we need to do more of this. we need to b!tch slap some (many) of these posters--especially the ones that have 1,000 posts and still ask stupid questions.

I absolutely agree...in fact, you've inspired me so much I'm going to go ***** slap some idiots right now.

 

[WaterTiger]

Originally posted by TooColdUlrick

i've noticed WestCoaster shouting out here and there on the Main board. we need to do more of this. we need to b!tch slap some (many) of these posters--especially the ones that have 1,000 posts and still ask stupid questions.

we need one general to lead the topic and three or four lieutenants. we need to be firm, harsh even. we need to get straight what we want to accomplish.

who's in?

YEAH! WestCoaster has been drop kicking ass all over the place lately. Keep it up!

Perhaps a "Newbie Only" section? That way the newbie's could post all their stupid questions there and leave the Discussion Board to the non-stupid questions.

( I know this must have been suggested a thousand times before.)

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
we should think about putting a post similar to the old "KNOCK IT OFF!!!" post a while back. except this time, all of us geezers are chiming in, and referencing some of the stupidity (as we're doing here).

Haha, I hijacked the 'KNOCK IT OFF!!!!' thread and took it off topic and turned it into 'What is a HOR' thread!!!


I am a "Mansogynist" - I hate you male chauvenistic horny bastards!

 

[Porky]

Originally posted by WaterTiger
YEAH! WestCoaster has been drop kicking ass all over the place lately. Keep it up!

Perhaps a "Newbie Only" section? That way the newbie's could post all their stupid questions there and leave the Discussion Board to the non-stupid questions.

( I know this must have been suggested a thousand times before.)

They wouldn't though. Some guy (or several dozen, apparently) would come here wanting to know if a DJ sits or stands when taking a piss and would ask it on the main board.

 

[coldcoal]

Originally posted by Porky
I disagree. There are a few really good guys here who knows hteir stuff. That's the reason I keep coming back, and I expect it's the same for others.

I did not mean to imply there is no worthy advice given in this place. I know there are some stand up guys here, but the ones I respect most are those who do not start up newbie b1tching threads and talk about slapping newbies around (which is a campaign I would not have expected to come out of the Mature Man forum, btw). But this isn't the issue I was trying to get at anyway.

The issue is that even if you had a thousand guys who know thier stuff and ten times the newbs asking decent questions, the forums are still going to be repetitive. The dumb questions are indeed annoying, but making them all go away will not create an active participation in creating something. The forums are mostly the business of bible interpretaion, even if you know your stuff, and much less creation as it once was (but people try). Regardless of the quality of questions, it will remain repetitive. The mods cannot fix this with a sticky and a 30 day ban on newbies. You will not fix it by complaining & slapping the new guys around. Ultimately, I think most of the complaining comes from the lack of something better to do.

Look at the increasing number of posts of people complaining that after learning all the ropes they grow bored of the game. This is a sign that something else needs to be explored. This is the beginning to understanding how to break the rules, and IMO, where true "DJism" actually begins, not ends. I thought that maybe if we can expand on this, that it might be more like when participation WAS creation, not just bible babble paraphrased advice over and over again. But if b1tch slapping sounds more appropriate to you, have way.

 

[TooColdUlrick]

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
Haha, I hijacked the 'KNOCK IT OFF!!!!' thread and took it off topic and turned it into 'What is a HOR' thread!!!


I am a "Mansogynist" - I hate you male chauvenistic horny bastards!

you always do this

 

[Survivor]

Finally, someone who is thinking clearly...

Originally posted by coldcoal
The issue is that even if you had a thousand guys who know thier stuff and ten times the newbs asking decent questions, the forums are still going to be repetitive.

Exactly...

Originally posted by coldcoal
The mods cannot fix this with a sticky and a 30 day ban on newbies. You will not fix it by complaining & slapping the new guys around.

Preach on...

Originally posted by coldcoal
Ultimately, I think most of the complaining comes from the lack of something better to do.

Bullseye!

Originally posted by coldcoal
This is a sign that something else needs to be explored. This is the beginning to understanding how to break the rules, and IMO, where true "DJism" actually begins, not ends. I thought that maybe if we can expand on this, that it might be more like when participation WAS creation, not just bible babble paraphrased advice over and over again.

I was hoping that this new forum would serve as a haven for that; mature posters reinterpreting "DJ Bible" principles such that it applies to real life issues and not the fantasies that newbies create in their minds. But if all we're going to do here is b!tch and moan about the other forums, then maybe bringing back the "Mature Man" forum wasn't such a good idea after all.

That's why my stance on this issue is clear. The main board is going south not because the mods are lax (which we aren't, btw) but because the "mature and expereinced" posters are not responding to newbies appropriately.

 

[FratAndDiddy]

nice that you spoke up, but i think you may be a bit too late in your response.

some of us are responding "over there" and are giving good solid advice. however, the silly stuff is still untouched without any advice from the older guys.

i realize younger fellows like to personalize their questions because it is unique to them. the same situation may fall in the DJ Bible, but they feel reassured when someone addresses THEIR situation with advice and a pat on the back. that's ok with me and us "older" guys should have patience with those types of questions.

my point is patience is realitive to tolerance and silliness. when somone becomes braggart, posts nothing but internet chat log that leads to nowhere and crap about how he should grip himself in the morning, then i can understand how others say they will or have abandon the main board.

my guess is after this discussion on THIS post many will return. some of the younger fellows have expressed their desire for many of the older guys to help maintain and bring back their help to the main board. some are coming over to the mature board believing in their questions if they cross boards, they have a better chance of reaching out to the older fellas.

i believe the older guys will return and it will happen. this post has shaken the awakening tree.

i think this posted thread has helped you moderators also. i've noticed "you guys" are now watching "silly" stuff and you also stop certain threads from flaring. i've noticed some younger more sensible guys are slashing the reasoning of some posts on the main board.

good police work for all of us and the site as a whole.

 

[Craig Reeves]

I have actually never been to this forum before in my life, but hell, I'm independent working two jobs, and know more about this stuff then a lot of people around here do....I'm mature enough....

Anywayz....

A lot of these problems that people are having with the board going downhill has got to be handled like any other problem that a community is bound to face. All communities have points where the oldbies wish things were "back when they were kids". The answer to this problem is always to change some things. What worked for your generation is not always going to work for their generation.

Now let's start with the DJ Bible. The DJ Bible gives great information, and is a wonderful help, but it's obviously not serving it's purpose all too well from the posts that I have been reading as of late. So what we should be asking ourselves is "how are we going to make the DJ Bible more appealing to those who are newcomers?" instead of dismissing them as "lazy" or "too stupid".

A good idea is to start being proactive in making the DJ bible more practical and useful for today's set of DJ's. Y'see, you guys never really used today's bible, because it was still being written when y'all first came here. I, however, came when the DJ Bible was already complete. I took a look at it and found some things that I would certainly change to make it more functional and practical for today's young DJ's.

First of all, I would creat a category called something like "Most Frequently Asked Questions" or something. This section is the most common things that people ask on the main board. Stuff like, "does she like me" and stuff like "how can I tell" type of stuff.

Second of all, the DJ Bible constantly contradicts itself, and a lot of the stuff in the book is just plain wrong and has posts that argue against it. Newcomers see this and do not really get answers from the DJ Bible, but more QUESTIONS because it is rife with contradictions and sometimes arguments.

Another thing. There's nothing that can be done about people that want a "quick fix", but we should try more to accomodate this need by providing answers to these questions that they we all can agree on. If I was a newcomer and I asked, "How can I tell if she likes me that way?" Someon like me would say, "You actually cannot, so just keep going after what you want until you've reached your goal, or until you KNOW you can't have it." But somebody else may say, "If you're wondering about it, she's probably not interested." This would only leave a newcomer confused and frusterated.

Another thing that would help was to instead of having the forums we do have, we have "Beginners", "intermediate", and "advanced" forums SPECIFICALLY for questions only, and high school and adult boards for each respective age group for other purposes such as tips and stories. That way, posters know exactly where their posts should go instead of having to worry about if they pertain to high school, college, work, etc.

I heard one person say that a forum isn't need, however. I don't believe that this is true. A forum IS useful, because even guys (especially starters) NEED to have somebody who is experienced motivate them and give them support on their road to become a DJ. And plus meeting OTHER guys who are trying to become DJ's too will motivate them even more, plus beginngers can help each other out and make friends with each other.

I also think the DJ bible should split up into testaments....the beginner testament, the intermediate testement, and the advanced testament. Most guys that first come here don't even know the basics, and feel LOST when they first come here. This is the reason why they ARE looking for a quick fix, because they are overwhelmed when they first look at the DJ Bible. They need to learn to walk before they can run, and if they see a book especially designed for beginners, they're going to be more motivated to take a look at it, because it will suit their need to get started right away in learning.

I know this post was long, but my belief is instead of complaing about how things are going downhill, we should be CHANGING things to that they are no longer GOING downhill. I joined this forum to offer my advice to young DJ's...isn't that why most of you are STILL on this forum?