LR: Beer-date

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A little over a month ago I met this foreign exchange student at a party for law students. I was kinda drunk when I approached her but in a fairly good state and all my sets that night opened easily. We had a few minutes of good convo before closing time and I #closed her and told her that I'd give her a call and we'd go out and have a few drinks or get a bite to eat sometime. She complied and she also got my number. Can't really remember much of the brief conversation, but I know I used future projection and discussed what we should call our kids etc. Playful tone, subtile IOI's. I always enjoy speaking with foreigners. The language barrier seem to work to my advantage. Maybe I'm just smoother in english than in my first language :p

I consider this girl an HB7(strict scale) Very pretty face and a nice body. Maybe just a tad too much ass, but still sexy. Beautiful eyes and very confident eyecontact which I find very attractive.

So anyway..the party was on a friday. The following monday she texted me: "Hi remember me? Are you still interested in having a drink or something else?" The fact that she re-initiated the contact was very positive and I'm assuming high interest and attraction here. We text back and forth and I say that I'd like that very much but that I was busy atleast until next week.I said we could meet up for a drink the following week. She agreed. I don't like sending messages so I didn't try to flirt or show disinterest in any way. No games.

The following week we arranged to meet at a student-bar. I had soccerpractice so we didn't meet until 11:30 pm. I had a beer at home before going out. I arrived before her, ordered a beer and enjoyed myself for 10 minutes or something. I was worried that I wouldn't recognize her at once but when she arrived she came right over and we hugged. Some nervousness on both sides the first 2 minutes as we went to the bar to order a new beer, but it went away almost instantly. The conversation went great even though we sometimes touched boring subjects such as school, job and education. Then we talked alot about traveling and beer :) I complimented her on her personality and the fact that she was so adventurous. They were all genuine compliments. This girl was great and I was really enjoing myself. After 3 beers each the bar closed and we switched venues.

I took her to a nightclub which is pretty fancy. Alot of stuck-up people there and expensive drinks. We both had similiar thoughts on this place so we had that in common. We mocked some people and made fun of the stereotypical characters at the club. We ordered more beer and sat in the lounge. I started initiating light KINO. Nothing major just touching her lightly and poking her etc. Can't remember too much of our conversation but we talked about everything and never ran out of things to talk about. I felt in complete control and was able to calibrate and adjust my bodylanguage and conversation to her reactions and responses. I never made any moves on her all night. This is very different from what I normally do. I get drunk and try to hump things. Alcohol is a major stickingpoint for me. Trying to drink less and start drinking later. Managed that this night though.

As we sat in the lounge, a girl that I've "almost" dated came over. HB7 but too skinny. We have talked about dating and when I first met her over a year ago I went in for the kiss, but got the cheek. I'm pretty sure I've managed to bump up the attraction after that and feel pretty sure that she sees me as a potential lover/partner. She was kinda drunk and she seemed reluctant to sit down with us and asked if she was interrupting something. I said "not at all, this is HB7" They shaked hands and I turned slightly away from HB7 and had a brief convo with HB7skinny. Then I gave her a hug and she walked away and I shifted my attention back to HB7. I felt that this gave me massive social proof as she could see that HB7skinny was interested. Sweet.

After even more beer (both getting kinda tipsy at this point) the club closes. We go outside and talk. It's pretty cold and I pull her against me as my teeth clicks. I say it's so cold, I should get home. I say i've had a great time and it sucks that it has to end. She agrees and I say that I think I have some beers in the fridge at home. She replies with "lets go" and holds my arm. I live like 3 minutes walk from the bar and as we walk I take her hand and holds it as we walk. Fingers intertwined boyfriend/girlfriend style.

When we get home my roomate is awake playing poker in the livingroom. I introduce them as I get 2 beers out of the fridge and pull out a DVD from our collection. I take her to my room which basically consists of a bed and a tv.. She lights 2 candles as I put in the movie. Notice that I have yet to kiss this girl!! I've intentionally escalated slowly throughout the whole date. I've built massive comfort for several hours. As we get on the bed I go in for the kiss. I finally give her compliments on her looks and tell her how beautiful and sexy she looks. No LMR. Clothes come off, movie gets ignored, beer forgotten, roomate puts on headphones.. ;) She was great in bed. Very active and dedicated. In the morning, after round two, we cuddled. It was not awkward or anything as it sometimes gets. We made smalltalk and touched eachother. All in all a great date. Probably the best I've ever had.

What I've learned from this is that comfort is soo very important and that you shouldn't make intimate moves too early. I've screwed that up so many times before. We have a date again tomorrow. We are eating out and maybe some drinks after. Too bad she is only in town for a few months more...she could very well be LTR-material.
 

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fantastic dude. :)

A couple of questions:

- Is this first date sex thing usual for you?

- If so, how do you do it? :)

- How much of your success do you attribute to high IL right off the bat and how much to stuff you consciously or otherwise did during the date?

again, good work dude :)
 

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lebRambo said:
fantastic dude. :)

A couple of questions:

- Is this first date sex thing usual for you?
Most of my sexual experiences are from ONS's. I've only had one serious relationship. It lasted several years though. After the breakup I dated a bit but found out that I became too needy and lost attraction before closing the deal. I lost my confidence and acted accordingly. I was still pretty good at creating attraction initially, but then I screwed up. Then I started dating several girls at the same time and made sure I always got new numbers and dates so that I wouldn't care when someone flaked. That cured the neediness.

lebRambo said:
- If so, how do you do it? :)
That's a difficult question. The most important thing is to maintain a strong frame and to lead. Always be willing to walk away when they throw ****tests at you and convey that if they screw up they will lose you. Not the other way around. In order to get them to bed early, you have to make them see that sex is no big deal to you. You enjoy having a sexlife, it's completely normal and nothing that she should feel guilty about. This is harder with younger girls btw.

It's important to always close. I play the numbers game. Which means that I will persist until I get rejected. Nothing ever gets to me when i'm sarging. If I get rejected, I just move on to the next. It's so essential not to let the rejections ruin your state. I know that's a tough one because it used to affect me alot. Now I just set my goal to just having fun and be playful. I don't care what the girls think, I'm just out to have fun. It's all that matters.

lebRambo said:
- How much of your success do you attribute to high IL right off the bat and how much to stuff you consciously or otherwise did during the date?

again, good work dude :)
This is a great question. I think that if you already have attraction there is very little you can do wrong. It's not easy to screw up if her IL is high right off the bat. The problem rises if you take this attraction for granted and try to escalate too fast. You simply HAVE to build some rapport and comfort. This is something I completely missed before. When I knew a girl was attracted to me, I tried to kiss-close or touch her intimately too early. It's definately a dealbreaker most of the time. Sometimes you can though..esp if she's drunk, it's late and her buying tempature is high.

If she isn't initially attracted there is not much you can do. Sure, you can game her if you are good and make her want you eventually, but it's not a sure thing and it's timeconsuming and difficult. You're better off gaming someone who is more into you.

Looks do matter no matter what people say. But unless she writes you off from the beginning because of looks there is plenty you can do to make her want you badly! What works best for me is to be in a good state. Be ****y but not overdo it. After I feel that I have created attraction, I easy up on the ****y attitude and start creating rapport. Sharing stories, talk about hobbies, passions and values. Future projection!! SOO important. Make her picture you two together in the future. Talk about things that you should do together..hiking, traveling etc. Even if you never plan to do it. It makes her more invested in you and it also makes her see you as a potential partner. I used to carry on the ****y attitude too long..It made me unable to create passion and an emotional connection with girls. Everything was a funny, snappy comment or a neg etc. It made her attracted, but never connected. When a girl feels safe and special when she is with you is when the magic happens.

I think that having initial attraction is the best way to get a girl to bed on the first meeting. It's too much hassle "convincing" a girl that is semi-interested.
 

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\O/ said:
I became too needy and lost attraction before closing the deal. I lost my confidence and acted accordingly. I was still pretty good at creating attraction initially, but then I screwed up. Then I started dating several girls at the same time and made sure I always got new numbers and dates so that I wouldn't care when someone flaked. That cured the neediness.

That's a difficult question. The most important thing is to maintain a strong frame and to lead. Always be willing to walk away when they throw ****tests at you and convey that if they screw up they will lose you. Not the other way around. In order to get them to bed early, you have to make them see that sex is no big deal to you. You enjoy having a sexlife, it's completely normal and nothing that she should feel guilty about. This is harder with younger girls btw.

It's important to always close. I play the numbers game. Which means that I will persist until I get rejected. Nothing ever gets to me when i'm sarging. If I get rejected, I just move on to the next. It's so essential not to let the rejections ruin your state. I know that's a tough one because it used to affect me alot. Now I just set my goal to just having fun and be playful. I don't care what the girls think, I'm just out to have fun. It's all that matters.



This is a great question. I think that if you already have attraction there is very little you can do wrong. It's not easy to screw up if her IL is high right off the bat. The problem rises if you take this attraction for granted and try to escalate too fast. You simply HAVE to build some rapport and comfort. This is something I completely missed before. When I knew a girl was attracted to me, I tried to kiss-close or touch her intimately too early. It's definately a dealbreaker most of the time. Sometimes you can though..esp if she's drunk, it's late and her buying tempature is high.

If she isn't initially attracted there is not much you can do. Sure, you can game her if you are good and make her want you eventually, but it's not a sure thing and it's timeconsuming and difficult. You're better off gaming someone who is more into you.

Looks do matter no matter what people say. But unless she writes you off from the beginning because of looks there is plenty you can do to make her want you badly! What works best for me is to be in a good state. Be ****y but not overdo it. After I feel that I have created attraction, I easy up on the ****y attitude and start creating rapport. Sharing stories, talk about hobbies, passions and values. Future projection!! SOO important. Make her picture you two together in the future. Talk about things that you should do together..hiking, traveling etc. Even if you never plan to do it. It makes her more invested in you and it also makes her see you as a potential partner. I used to carry on the ****y attitude too long..It made me unable to create passion and an emotional connection with girls. Everything was a funny, snappy comment or a neg etc. It made her attracted, but never connected. When a girl feels safe and special when she is with you is when the magic happens.

I think that having initial attraction is the best way to get a girl to bed on the first meeting. It's too much hassle "convincing" a girl that is semi-interested.
Wow, I just saw so much in myself and my game in that post :)

I'm a numbers game kinda guy too. I try to meet a lot of girls, even ones that just seem fun but I have no interest in just for practice, I always number close even if it seems like nothing is gonna happen (after vibing and initial rapport as much as possible, of course).

I have slight problems with neediness too. I have to force myself sometimes to wait a little longer before messaging or calling, to let things pan out gradually (while escalating when appropriate), etc.

Future projection is an AWESOME one. Even just if it is short term.

Example : went out with a girl on sunday (2nd date). Talked about how cool foreign films are, movies we like, etc. I mentioned we should have a movie night (just nonchalantly, nothing implied), also talked about travel, etc.

The 'movie night' gave me a perfect set up for her coming over (which she will be doing tomorrow night) to watch some movies. It allowed me to just go "hey, when are we having our movie night?" She immediately set up the date for tomorrow.

Great stuff man, props to you again :)
 

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wow !!
 

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how could you even get it up after so many beers?

My idol, lol.

It sucks that only after a few drinks i get so horny..and find the girls..but my little soldier won't hit the battlefield lock stock and barrel...
 

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hmmm... it seemed like she was primed and ready to go when she texted you trying to go drinking with you. Regardless, good job not fumbling it and gettin some
 

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\O/ said:
Be ****y but not overdo it. After I feel that I have created attraction, I easy up on the ****y attitude and start creating rapport. Sharing stories, talk about hobbies, passions and values. Future projection!! SOO important. Make her picture you two together in the future. Talk about things that you should do together..hiking, traveling etc. Even if you never plan to do it. It makes her more invested in you and it also makes her see you as a potential partner. I used to carry on the ****y attitude too long..It made me unable to create passion and an emotional connection with girls. Everything was a funny, snappy comment or a neg etc. It made her attracted, but never connected. When a girl feels safe and special when she is with you is when the magic happens.

I think that having initial attraction is the best way to get a girl to bed on the first meeting. It's too much hassle "convincing" a girl that is semi-interested.
Realistic advice here. :up:

1) Attraction matters. Which means you have to be sexy. Which looks are a big part of. Although your "look" (style) is a huge part of your looks - and can be improved no matter what you look like. But don't underestimate the importance of this. Remember, execution is 80% preparation. I have a hunch that you are a good-looking guy with a good fashion sense.

2) Use C&F upfront to spike BT and attraction, but ease up on it to create C&R. This is something I've learned recently too. The attraction phase passes pretty quickly. So, just talk normal and be GENUINE after this to find a real connection. This is where you want to "just be yourself" for a while. Otherwise, you will end up being a stand-up comic in a put-down contest - that people will tire of quickly.

3) Interesting tip about holding off kino until she is comfortable and receptive. Or even use it as a reward. Whereas a lot of PUAs say the opposite - to use it ASAP to CREATE comfort. Your way seems more natural to me and can show more non-neediness, but I'll have to field-test both to know for sure here.
 
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