Low-Carb vs Low Fat (yes, another thread)

[Disconnect]

I just don't get it. There are advocates of low-carb and low-fat diet screaming at us from both sides of the fence that their sh1t stinks better than the others'. There's people saying that no matter what diet you use to get lean, low-fat diet is better at keeping you that way. And there are others who say it's not a matter of low-whatever, but processed food vs unprocessed that really matters.

I've been trying low-carb multiple times on and off (under 100g/day, high protein, about 70g/fat a day), and hit a plateau about two weeks in every time after some initial loss (of water?? There is progress in my training and my diet, I keep a log, but my body just doesn't respond. Furthermore, if I start eating more carbs, I gain everything back really fast). I'm fed up with it, and will give Diesel's cutting guide a shot, which advocated moderate, properly timed carb intake, low-fat, high protein.

Also, I learned that low-carb diets were originally designed by doctors for fat fucks who needed to lose weight for surgery asap. I'd say the doctors weren't interested in the fat staying off long-term.

What works for you? If you have some scientific info to back up any relevant claim, post it here. And if Diesel desides to grace this thread with his wisdom, it'd be much appreciated. Thanks all!

 

[escobar04]

70 grams of fat per day??????

I consume like 10 grams if so and super low carbs

Im about 4-5% body fat if thats what you're looking for

 

[Bible_Belt]

It's not total fat or carbs that is important, but the types of each.

Old post of mine:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105141&highlight="brown+rice"

The umbrella term of "carb" is very large. I think that Americans see such benefit from cutting carbs because the carbs that are in their diet are the worst kinds. White sugar, white rice, and white flour are garbage compared to their whole-grain counterparts. I think anybody would lose weight from eating a cup of whole grain brown rice before every meal, because the fiber would fill them up. The stuff sits in your stomach and you are not hungry for hours. On the other hand, you could give the same people a cup of white rice (and maybe a sugary coke) before every meal, and they would gain weight because the calories are empty and don't stop hunger. So imo it's more about the type of carb than counting grams.

It would be the same for fat. Nuts, alvocadoes, and vegetable oil are not in the same league as animal and dairy fat.

 

[mrRuckus]

70 grams of fat per day??????

I consume like 10 grams if so and super low carbs

Im about 4-5% body fat if thats what you're looking for

Do your knees shake when a stiff breeze comes through?

 

[Disconnect]

The amount of fat the body should regularly consume relative your body weight in kilograms or roughly 1/2 your weight in pounds.

So you're saying a 200lbs man has to eat 100 g of fat a day? I think I'm missing something...

I consume like 10 grams if so and super low carbs

Diesel says about 30-40 g is right. But 10? My post-workout protein shake has like 5 g. Tuna has a bit, so do eggs and meat. What the hell do you eat? Whatever it is, you probably have to eat a ton of it to meet maintainance.

The umbrella term of "carb" is very large. I think that Americans see such benefit from cutting carbs because the carbs that are in their diet are the worst kinds. White sugar, white rice, and white flour are garbage compared to their whole-grain counterparts. I think anybody would lose weight from eating a cup of whole grain brown rice before every meal, because the fiber would fill them up. The stuff sits in your stomach and you are not hungry for hours. On the other hand, you could give the same people a cup of white rice (and maybe a sugary coke) before every meal, and they would gain weight because the calories are empty and don't stop hunger. So imo it's more about the type of carb than counting grams.

This post is very logical. Thanks for sharing!

All in all, I'm going to give Diesel a shot. Thanks guys!

 

[grr]

I think this is such a COMMON problem because people start things in succession.

Like, "OK, I need to lose weight, first things first: I need to get my fat/carb/protein in order."

But, food has more than all of that, it has nutrition and there are other factors to weigh, too. This means a variety of healthy foods over a month's course is much more important than fat/carb/protein intake.

So, if your family role models are sh!ts and eat whatever they've made for years at odd proportions, you basically have to resort to figuring it out for yourself by TRYING different foods, steadily adding a variety of good foods to your diet. As an example I highly recommend whole wheat bread + peanut butter for bulking. But, if that's all you ate, you would get fat. Same with anything, if you eat too much of the same thing you'll probably get fat. That's why cheat days aren't even really cheat days, their contribution to variety outweighs their other side effects.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I have found this web site to be very helpful:

http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

 

[Remulak]

Eat low carb and low saturated fats. I ate that way for a couple months and I lost 8 lbs.

 

[donjuanjovi]

How about eating sensibly and regular exercise as part of an active lifestyle?

 

[EFFORT]

This will help

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8163

 

[Gus]

If you're a fat ****, low carb is godly. If you're looking to cut up, low carb stinks (literally, too). And sometimes you don't even need to eat less fat, but more fat. It really depends on the situation--each one is different.

 

[eminence]

You have to be looking at your calorie intake as well. Just remember this

1 Gram of:

Fat=9 calories
Carbs=4 calories
Protein=4 calories

Fats also burn off a lot quicker then carbs do, instead of a low fat/carb diet...find a happy median for the two.

70 grams of fat is just way too much, and less then 100g of carbs is way too little, especially if your training hard. Just up your cardio a bit as well to get a lower bf %

 

[mrRuckus]

I If you're looking to cut up, low carb stinks (literally, too). .

What are you talking about?

 

[Hitman10000]

Why compare the two? Decreasing both carbs and fats will make you lose weight because you are decreasing the total amount of calories you are intaking as well.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

1) This is why EVERY person should understand basic health and fitness info. If we were only concerned with a few food choices, such as meat n potatoes, then people would only eat until they're full. That's not so in today's world of chemically produced food where man made food can still pack on fat or mess with hormone levels in your body. Getting close to natural with respect to food and eating crappy now and then is the best. Perhaps even doing a flush or clease as well. I'm consider one soon. Mayhap after the holidays.

2) It isn't the macro nutrient that makes you fat, it's the UNUSED energy. Energy in must = energy out or there will be gains in FAT and MUSCLE, to about 3:1 ratio. The way to keep fat down and bump muscle up is by adding cardio to the mix, eating quality protein, good solid fats, BCAA's, and some carbs.

3) Keep in mind, an ALL protein diet can lead to fat anyways, if it's over your personal calorie threshhold. Protein converts to sugars if not used by the body to repair and build muscle and organs. Fat does not convert to anything. It's used, it's stored, or it's burned. When you sleep, you burn fat. When you consume carbs and protein, you're not burning fat, you're burning sugar.

4) Fat takes heat because it's TWICE as dense as all other macronutrients. It is good, b/c it triggers the FULL feeling that people crave, hence why they go after fatty, salty, high calorie foods MORE than a salad, lean proteins, and healthy carbs. Fats in general ARE necessary. Carbs, however are not. Protein can be used to convert to sugar needed for brain functions, etc. But If you're consuming ALL protein, your body wastes protein in the conversion process, plus it isn't THAT tasty in the long-run. On the flipside sugars spare protein, because the muscle will work and use them as energy.

Alot of guys think all the added muscle BURNS tons of calories per hour, but it doesn't. Stagnant muscle doesn't burn much more than fat does. It's the ACTIVE muscle, when used, such as during swimming, or running, or sports, that burns more. Overestimation of calories leads to MORE weight gain than anything, and for me, the verdict is out that SUPER high protein diets lead to massive muscle gain. Maybe if you're on SUPER sups. Higher levels ARE needed, and do provide quality nutrition, but one hasn't discerned whether it's the ADDED calories or ADDED protein that make one bigger, since the idea of SUPER high protein levels IS relatively new. If you're super big, or super active, it makes sense. If you're not, then I do believe some diet research must be had.

A-Unit

 

[Warboss Alex]

I'm not Diesel, and I'll say a big F-U-C-K-Y-O-U to scientific info but I'll say this much: it depends on the person. Try both approaches and find your sweet spot, for a diet which is maintainable as a lifestyle (more or less) rather than two months of 'dieting' and which you can drop fat while keeping and adding muscle slowly, which makes it easier on your body..

Try putting an ecto on a low carb diet and watch their training perfomance and mass fade away. Put an endo on a low fat diet and watch them balloon.