Losing my virginity with hookers to get over sexual hang-ups

[rhcp83]

I don't get the whole "conquest" thing. Isn't the object to get laid with a woman you think is hot? Who cares if you threw some lines at her and got her into bed or if you just went right to the act and paid for it cold hard cash?

Are you guys so naive to think that because you "gamed" her that you're some special case? You're just one of many guys that knew how to bring out the inner slvt in her.

I know I'm physically unattractive to a good majority of women (despite dressing well and exercicsing), so I have nothing to prove. I'd pay for it myself if it were more easily accessible where I live as I could get a girl much hotter than any I see in public and also not have to hear "you used me" after or have some girl obsessed with me after or all the other drama that comes with casual sex.

 

[Jaylan]

Seeing as any old slob can pay for for a lay, paying for puzzy is not the mark of a man who all ladies want. Not DJ imo

 

[JonJaper]

I'm noticing a certain theme to the replies here...so I gotta say that everyone here should get that I totally understand this is not a long-term solution. This was merely an awakening, the beginning to my path of self-improvement.

If I just f*cked hookers and stopped there, without progressing or improving myself, it would be a boring, unfulfilling, unsatisfying life without any feeling of meaning.

But I'll set the record straight: This is only the beginning. I am a true hedonist, so I would never settle for hookers all the time because it would get boring. I'm not sure that I would ever go to Amsterdam and f*ck hookers again, it was fun the first time and I've seen it all and done it all, it just wouldn't interest me to do it again. The whole trip would be less special if I did it over and over again.

I am pleasure-seeking, and so I will choose to have a deeper relationship with a girl years down the line when the time is right. I got in touch with a side of myself that has been suppressed for years. I actually feel free and liberated, like I have choice in my life, and I am starting to really enjoy life because I'm not distracted by a one-itis or by desperation of getting girls.

Seeing as any old slob can pay for for a lay, paying for puzzy is not the mark of a man who all ladies want. Not DJ imo

Thanks Captain Obvious, but no one has ever said that paying a hooker for sex is DJ. I've always stated that what I did is the first step to self-improvement. I am not a finished product by any means, I'm a work in progress and by having my crazy Amsterdam trip I've just enabled myself to get on the upward path.

 

[corrector]

I don't get the whole "conquest" thing. Isn't the object to get laid with a woman you think is hot? Who cares if you threw some lines at her and got her into bed or if you just went right to the act and paid for it cold hard cash?

I don't get it either. I guess it means you reached out to a girl, put a bit of work into it in creating attraction (i.e. romance in her world as she'd expect from romantic novels) and have some sort of short term fling and move on to the next girl.

There was a writer on here that had field reports where he made those types of conquests. If the lady is "in love" with you and you take advantage of her for sex and dump her for the next hot chick, then I guess what is what people define as a "conquest".

So, it sounds like more than throwing out a few lines since most women won't respond well to lines anyway. The whole idea is there is something in your personality that they connect with and draws them to you and you work from there.

If a woman only goes for a select type of guys, then it's still not the same as common "john" access. At least you feel that she's picky with who she beds with and that reflects well on you if you are one of them. It's just like, when I see a yonger black girl talking with a grey haired white man, then I wouldn't want to talk to that girl because she would appear to have no standards if she's just interested in money or security to overlook the fact this guy could be her grandfather. So, it's like comparing apples to oranges when comparing a hor to a normal woman since if you go with a woman that will take anyone, where is the bragging rights with that.

If there is anything that would scare me out of ever using an escort would be to see an ugly old slob just leave the room and my appointment is next. I'd probably run out of the place in disgust. So, I think this "escort" or "hooker" thing is some fantasy-spell that has to keep intact. With me, I see it as a total "spell". Something like a male pimp answering the phone, seeing other guy leave the place as you are about to talk in, sort of bust the bubble of it. It's not just nice pictures of hot girls on the internet and you thinking of a fun time.

Jon Japer is lucky that none of his girls were transvestites, or that he didn't happen to see a used condom on the floor or dripping semen or mess from the previous client that was there or an old man just leaving the place, as I'm sure he would have freaked out too. So, in that sence he's lucky nothing broke his "spell".

Are you guys so naive to think that because you "gamed" her that you're some special case? You're just one of many guys that knew how to bring out the inner slvt in her.

Seeing that 20% of guys bag 80% of the women, that would already put you on an alpha level category and you'd be a special case. I'd also say that if some guy knows how to get into a girl's world, make her feel comfortable with her, and bond with her on a emotional, spiritual, mental and physical level and bring out the "inner slvt" in her, especially if she's not that type of woman, then I think it would be crying "sour grapes" to make that sound common that "any" guy could do.

You certainly don't sound like you can do it since you can't get your foot in the door in the first place because of your looks....so that excludes you. I can't do it because I'm "Schizoid" and don't like watching click flicks and really am not that great at acting. Honestly, most super hot girls I do "accidentally" connect with, for the record, have been married -- and unless you have no scruples whatsoever, you wouldn't go for that sort of thing anyway. So, I won't cry "sour grapes" over this because I know there is some skills involved, that only naturals, or those initiated into these arts would know. Probalby a low percentage.

I know I'm physically unattractive to a good majority of women (despite dressing well and exercicsing), so I have nothing to prove. I'd pay for it myself if it were more easily accessible where I live as I could get a girl much hotter than any I see in public and also not have to hear "you used me" after or have some girl obsessed with me after or all the other drama that comes with casual sex.

You are always going to get "problem cases" with girls. That goes with the territory. If you know how to screen them out before you deal with them then you learn to avoid them. Taking extreme cases and making generalisations about it to make a case is nothing more than "sour grapes". That is why it's best to get to know a girl a bit first before you do anything with her so you'll know what type of problem case the girl is and how to deal with the fall-out. Again, most women are normal and if the right type of guy came around would be able to bag her.

 

[rhcp83]

Oh, I'm not bitter. Very few men have dated/had sex with the type of women I find attractive. Simply being "hot" means nothing to me if I don't find her attractive. I can't be bitter that maybe 5 percent or less of the population has a gf/is banging a girl/has banged a girl without paying of the caliber I like.

"Regular girls" even girls guys here would consider 9/10s don't do it for me...I like Natasha Henstridge types...natural perfect 10 beauty, perfect female form et al.

 

[Ben7]

OP, what you said never happened, if so, come to the netherlands again, this or next weekend, I'll pay your flight (and your mushrooms), you're talking pure BS.

Schiphol, what time do you land? We'll fck some *****s!

 

[JonJaper]

OP, what you said never happened, if so, come to the netherlands again, this or next weekend, I'll pay your flight (and your mushrooms), you're talking pure BS.

Schiphol, what time do you land? We'll fck some *****s!

It's all BS, is it? If that's what you want to believe, then fine. I don't mind sharing details of the trip (like in post #53 and others) but I'm not going to try and gain your approval or convince you.

Besides, once I've had the whole drugs and hookers experience, WTF makes you think I would do it again so quickly? The novelty of it would just vanish.

Also, funny how you're just repeating yourself and not answering any of my points in post #53 which was in reply to your BS call.

 

[JonJaper]

Before anyone comments on my Amsterdam trip, read post #43 which explains 7 main points to why it was such a positive experience for me. Realise that these 7 main points apply to me as an individual, I'm not speaking for everyone here, just myself.

It'll save you a lot of time and effort.

 

[JonJaper]

Oh, I'm not bitter. Very few men have dated/had sex with the type of women I find attractive. Simply being "hot" means nothing to me if I don't find her attractive. I can't be bitter that maybe 5 percent or less of the population has a gf/is banging a girl/has banged a girl without paying of the caliber I like.

"Regular girls" even girls guys here would consider 9/10s don't do it for me...I like Natasha Henstridge types...natural perfect 10 beauty, perfect female form et al.

The Hungarian I f*cked in the morning of my flight back from Amsterdam was similar to Natasha Henstridge in looks (but younger of course). Beforehand when I looked at women like Natasha Henstridge I would get nervous, afraid and have low confidence. Now when I Google Image'd her I thought to myself "yeah I've f*cked a girl as hot as her. Her looks aren't going to make me nervous, no big deal".

 

[bigneil]

Very true Jon Japer. It puts the 8's and 9's in perspective. This is why it is women who are so against the world's oldest profession, not men. If prostitution were legal in the US, these arrogant, BPD, Facebook-posting primadonnas would lose their monopoly on Vagina.

 

[romangod]

I'm noticing a certain theme to the replies here...so I gotta say that everyone here should get that I totally understand this is not a long-term solution. This was merely an awakening, the beginning to my path of self-improvement.

Congratulations!

I give you credit for having the balls to go through with it. It may be a hooker but it still takes courage to overcome your fears.

Sure, it wasn't with your soulmate. :crazy: But you've taken a big step towards clearing one of your hurdles.


Good luck.


Cheers!

 

[corrector]

Very true Jon Japer. It puts the 8's and 9's in perspective. This is why it is women who are so against the world's oldest profession, not men. If prostitution were legal in the US, these arrogant, BPD, Facebook-posting primadonnas would lose their monopoly on Vagina.

It is "legal" to buy airline tickets, or cross the border to Mexico isn't it? It's probably not that expensive to go to the DR. If you are willing to pay big bucks, then you probably can get places like Nevada too. In first world countries, it's not a matter of "legal" or not, it's a matter of paying outrageous prices compared to poorer or more permissive countries for the same level of service at best, or worst level of service.

I think prostitute is legal in the US for the impossibility to enforce the laws because with the internet, escorts can now post ads which have code-words for services to make them sound legal. (i.e. 'full service' -- means sex, enjoy travelling to the greek islands -- means anal sex, can speak french - oral. Then put only paying for time and company and the customer has to read between the lines of the terminology.) If it wasn't for the recent psychos that victimised women in America using craiglist, that thing would probably still be up and running today. In other words -- only the street-walking aspect of prostitution can really be enforced.

Where it is not legal doesn't mean that it's difficult to get a hooker either. Just look at JohnTV on youtube where the Baits guy is constantly getting hookers and johns on video in his neighbourhood. Doesn't sound like something that's really enforced in some places.

The OP had to travel to Amsterdam from London.

 

[JonJaper]

It is "legal" to buy airline tickets, or cross the border to Mexico isn't it? It's probably not that expensive to go to the DR. If you are willing to pay big bucks, then you probably can get places like Nevada too. In first world countries, it's not a matter of "legal" or not, it's a matter of paying outrageous prices compared to poorer or more permissive countries for the same level of service at best, or worst level of service.

I think prostitute is legal in the US for the impossibility to enforce the laws because with the internet, escorts can now post ads which have code-words for services to make them sound legal. (i.e. 'full service' -- means sex, enjoy travelling to the greek islands -- means anal sex, can speak french - oral. Then put only paying for time and company and the customer has to read between the lines of the terminology.) If it wasn't for the recent psychos that victimised women in America using craiglist, that thing would probably still be up and running today. In other words -- only the street-walking aspect of prostitution can really be enforced.

Where it is not legal doesn't mean that it's difficult to get a hooker either. Just look at JohnTV on youtube where the Baits guy is constantly getting hookers and johns on video in his neighbourhood. Doesn't sound like something that's really enforced in some places.

The OP had to travel to Amsterdam from London.

Yep lol, when there's a will, there's a way boys, the world's oldest profession is still alive and kicking for a reason!

Personally I'm glad I did it in Amsterdam because it's legal and regulated well so from a moral point of view there's no direct exploitation that is so common in other countries with illegal sex workers. Plus it was in a country with a liberal and open view to sex, so you are not made to feel bad or ashamed for being a male with sexual desire. The cultural outlook there is amazing.

But yes, don't let religion, the media, women, or men who are whipped make you feel ashamed of sexuality. They love to tell you what you should and shouldn't do. You are not a bad person for enjoying raw sex without emotional attachment and for getting in touch with your masculinity. Society in general (with the exception of the Netherlands and other liberal European countries) is not going to understand the pros of hookers, because they are too afraid of letting us have our freedom.

So here's a :moon: to all those self-righteous a$$hats who feel entitled to judge about f*cking hookers!

Congratulations!

I give you credit for having the balls to go through with it. It may be a hooker but it still takes courage to overcome your fears.

Sure, it wasn't with your soulmate. :crazy: But you've taken a big step towards clearing one of your hurdles.


Good luck.


Cheers!

Thanks man! I really had to psych myself up for it, but as soon as I booked my tickets and hotel, I thought "there's no turning back now!" so I forced myself to just let go of insecurities and inhibitions.

Getting completely naked infront of super hot women whom I didn't even know has given me a lot more confidence and balls. Approaching a cute girl in a social setting doesn't feel so daunting now haha!

Also, as a side note, I'm reading the Book of Pook right now, just finished the 15 lessons article and after my experience in Amsterdam, I really feel like it's making a lot more sense, like I can feel it in my bones rather than just intellectually understanding it. I'll keep my mind open because I think that's the most effective way of learning and improving.

I feel a change in myself. It feels good, but it's still so raw and new (I only came back from Amsterdam on Wednesday), it's like I have to get used to this new way of thinking and being. I feel like I need a few weeks to acclimatise lol. I'm sure those who had big transformations (physical, psychological, emotional, AFC>>>DonJuan etc) will understand me when I say that this inner change feels unfamiliar and strange.

During this period of change, I'm going to carry on reading the Book of Pook, the DJ Bible, Di Carlo, DeAngelo etc, as well as hit the gym solidly with high intensity weights and cardio.

That's all I can think of doing for now, does anyone else have any tips on easing into this new way of being and getting more comfortable with this change?

 

[JonJaper]

No self-improvement suggestions lol? Fair enough, I'll do what I've said I will in my above post, that should be a good enough start for my self-improvement path.

 

[Alex DeLarge]

I was thinking about doing this myself lately. I'm 21 and a virgin, but I definitely SHOULD NOT be a virgin. A lot of people (including chicks) think I'm pretty awesome as a person. I lead an interesting life and do a lot to improve it. I've even told a few of my lady friends I still have my V card, and they all have that jaw dropped look on their face like "how the hell is that possible?"

I also don't want to get into bed with a girl who I'm really into and just ruin it with bad sex, then lose her the next day. I'd rather be prepared and experienced.

 

[JonJaper]

I was thinking about doing this myself lately. I'm 21 and a virgin, but I definitely SHOULD NOT be a virgin. A lot of people (including chicks) think I'm pretty awesome as a person. I lead an interesting life and do a lot to improve it. I've even told a few of my lady friends I still have my V card, and they all have that jaw dropped look on their face like "how the hell is that possible?"

I also don't want to get into bed with a girl who I'm really into and just ruin it with bad sex, then lose her the next day. I'd rather be prepared and experienced.

Depends on your attitude. Do it because you WANT to, not because you feel like you SHOULD or because society expects you to lose your virginity by your age.

I did it to get in touch with myself sexually, to get over my personal hang-ups, to have fun and to have a crazy sexual experience, NOT because society pressurised me into it.

It was for MYSELF, not for anyone else.

So...if you want to do it for yourself and yourself alone, not for society, not to brag to your buddies about threesomes (not that I assume you would brag about hookers LOL), not to make girls jealous etc....then go for it.

If you go for it, you have to go for it with full enthusiasm. Sure, I had doubts and questioned whether I should do it....but once the tickets and hotel was booked, once a monetary commitment was made, there was no turning back for me. I was all in!!

It should be something you keep mainly to yourself. Of course, you can anonymously share your experience on SoSuave like I did lol.

 

[ken chang]

I don't think it's a big deal how we lose our virginity. For women it's a big deal. It has to be all magical and stuff. But we're men.
Good for you, OP. You were in a rut and you decided to do something to cause some change in your life.
Good luck to you in your self improvement.

 

[JonJaper]

I don't think it's a big deal how we lose our virginity. For women it's a big deal. It has to be all magical and stuff. But we're men.
Good for you, OP. You were in a rut and you decided to do something to cause some change in your life.
Good luck to you in your self improvement.

Thanks man. As part of the self-improvement process I've started a workout log in the Health and Fitness section of the forum:

http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1854144

 

[romangod]

Before anyone comments on my Amsterdam trip, read post #43 which explains 7 main points to why it was such a positive experience for me.

I was in Amsterdam in 1993 and had the time of my life. I didn't partake of any of the hookers because I met a chick from Denmark who satisfied my sexual desires.

Still, it was a very positive experience for me, also. Between the coffee shops and night life, my pal and I visited the museums and other sites of historical interest. We painted the town "red" for two weeks before my pal's liver started to act up. He was the drinker and I was the smoker.

Then, it was off to Paris for a few days to sober up. The train ride was a blast and we got to see the countryside of Belgium and France. We planned on returning to spend our last few days in Amsterdam before flying back to Canada.


Paris was great but we stayed sober through those days. The history and sites were intoxicating enough.

Then it was back to Amsterdam for the last few days. I'd hid some dope under a bush when we left and it was waiting for me when we returned. The partying began in earnest again and the memories of that trip still linger with me.


A great trip and a great experience. I recommend that everyone try it at least once in their life.


Cheers!

 

[Tyson420]

Maybe if the sex industry was more government regulated and even taxable. It would take more power away from women in general.

It would be like the 50s... All over again, and of course male prostitute industry wouldn't take away from us men because women can't seem to get over that they don't want to seem like a *****.

We really need to stop the demonization of this industry, I just don't understand how someone can feel like they are the **** because they tricked a woman to have sex with them. You are in no way better than this guy who had a threesome with HB10s and was high as a kite too.

What a hell of a way to get your cherry popped, way better than ****ing a HB6 in Grade 10, with braces and a bit of fat, with some acne on the side... LOL.