Lose your job? You suck.

[edger]

As Aragon in 'Lord of the Rings' say's about the evil Orcs just before they go into battle:

"SHOW THEM NO MERCY, FOR THEY WILL SHOW YOU NONE"

The same applies to women. So, cheat, use, wham bam thank you mam, do whatever the f*ck you gotta do, be a total opportunist like them. They wanna play dirty, you must play it back.

Now I'm sure there are some good women out there, and that I might be f*cking over a good woman(who I don't know is a good woman), but being that the majority are pieces of sh*t, unfortunately it becomes a case of "the good women having to suffer for the many bad ones". If I don't be the "opportunist", I'm risking too much. Very sad what it has to come down to.

 

[RedPill]

redpill's link doesn't work

Fixed.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=92450

 

[speed dawg]

This garbage just goes to show you that even the "high-class" suburbian white yuppies also have a big sense of entitlement. That may not be the premise of the article, but it all stems from that. My wife is out the door at the first sign that she's "lost respect" for me if I lose my job. Fvck that noise. Conditional my ass. I mean, ALL marriages are conditional on what the two people will put up with. You see, this is why morals, character, and religion DO matter.

 

[edger]

You see, this is why morals, character, and religion DO matter.

Solid point.

 

[ketostix]

Conditional my ass. I mean, ALL marriages are conditional on what the two people will put up with.

Yeah isn't one of the oaths women take in marriage, "For richer or poorer, in sickness and in health..". And I think traditionally there's a part about "Obey and honor" her husband.

You see, this is why morals, character, and religion DO matter.

Yeah I agree. It does matter if the person you are dealing with believes in the concept of doing what's objectively right and not just whatever is expediate or self-serving.

 

[Jeffst1980]

Agreed, however the only way to change the game is to master it first.

A Man must operate and make decisions based upon an understanding that his relations with his wife/GF/family/friends/business associates are conditional. When I met Mrs. Tomassi I didn't have 2 nickels to rub together and she was accustomed to dating E.R. doctors and radiologists who's income wasn't in the same world as my own. Yet she chose to marry me. Don't make the mistake of assuming that finances define your value as a Man. Mrs. Tomassi to this day still tells me she understood my potential. Today I make a good amount of money, but still not in the realm her former BFs did, however I can say that I'm more of a positively masculine Man than any of them would ever be.

I could lose my job tomorrow, and for as much as my wife would tell me the contrary, I know that it would shake her confidence. But If I abdicate my masculinity and surrender wholesale (especially without a fight) my role as husband, father and Man, that's when she leaves me. It's a Man with an ability to generate options (and I don't simply mean other women) and land on his feet who a woman stays for. Is that love? Yes. Is that opportunism? Yes again. My guess is that DUE to this popular concept of gender redefinition men feel comfortable in abdicating their role; they assume their wives/LTRs will embrace it - they wont.

This is a really good post. The mistake the guys in that article make is believing the "gender role reversal" is acceptable in this day and age. There is so much media hype about "Mr. Mom" that one would think that being a stay at home dad would be viewed as a NOBLE thing. It's not--not to women, at least. It's a perfect example of an idealistic, career woman fantasy that falls apart in reality. Even the most progressive feminist would find this to be a turnoff. It contradicts biological sex roles--not just gender roles---because there are NO cultures where men are prized for their nurturing abilities. These guys have been duped, and now they're taking the easy way out.

The women quoted in the OP should be ashamed of publicly humiliating her husband--of course, she's likely already filed for divorce.

There may be a recession, but that doesn't mean you give up if you can't immediately find work. Come on--I don't buy into the fact that these guys were FORCED to exit the workforce. Take a job that's beneath you for the time being, or take a risk and enter a new field--but do SOMETHING, for crying out loud. I don't see anything wrong with the male nurse example---at least he's generating income--but the guys that stay home altogether are in the wrong. Their wives are NOT cool with it, and even if they are bragging to their friends how "progressive" they are now, they are going to be shopping for a new, income-generating husband later.

 

[jophil28]

When you begin to discover their nature and learn how to deal and manage it over time it almost becomes humorous as many on here have commented. They are ruthless!

Ruthless indeed. As Jerry Seinfeld once said,"Women are ruthless...they are without ruth !"

 

[Colossus]

Interesting posts in this thread.

While I think RT's first post is the undiluted truth, I also think that refracting this truth into the perspective that ALL women are amoral, unilateral provision-seekers is not the best way to go through life.

I think the thing men need to realize and live by is that relationships--especially romantic ones---are absolutely conditional. As much as women pine for emotional bonding and the feel-good fairy tale ideal of "till death do us part", there are limitations.

One of my best friends has been with his girl for over 4 years. He lost his high-paying job at a bank a year ago, and has been on unemployment ever since. However, he is a resourceful guy and makes a pretty decent living doing freelance carpentry work. His bills are paid, his finances are in order, and he is proactive about amking a living. Now if he just sat by and did nothing but collect unemployment for the past year, I have no doubt the tension between him and his girl would reach a critical mass, and she would eventually leave him.

The point is he remained the Man despite losing his job--not to save the relationship, mind you, which would have been a mistake---but because he does what he needs to do regardless of the presence of a woman in his life. The frame in their relationship was set from the beginning, which is critical in any relationship.

I think the mistake a lot of men make is that they assume their marriage (or LTR) is like their relationship with their mother. "She'll love me no matter what...she committed to me." Wrong. She will love you as long as you are a Man. It's not that a good woman will necessarily leave her man because he lost his job, but as RT said there is a threshhold. Once the man abandons his masculine leadership, she will have to assume this role and that's when respect is lost.

My uncle is a pastor and counsels many young couples. He says that the one critical thing he tries to impart to young soon-to-be married men is that if they dont lead--financially, practically, and spiritually--the wife will take over, and this is a slippery slope that is nigh impossible to recover from.

 

[Fallen]

The point is he remained the Man despite losing his job--not to save the relationship, mind you, which would have been a mistake---but because he does what he needs to do regardless of the presence of a woman in his life. The frame in their relationship was set from the beginning, which is critical in any relationship.

Isn't this key here?

Agree with Colossus here.
There are loyal women out there, who will stand by your side, 'til you're on your feet again. At least a certain period of time...but the countdown has begun

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I also think that refracting this truth into the perspective that ALL women are amoral, unilateral provision-seekers is not the best way to go through life.

Oh, I'd agree, you can easily find moralistic women who are unilateral provision-seekers too. Heheh,..

What I find humorous about this is that on one hand we'll post 5 page threads about how women create their own morales post-facto, yet on the other hope that their morality will overshadow what their conditions prompt them to do - and of course after which they'll cater a convenient morality for that.



Law 2: Never Put Too Much Trust in Friends, Learn How to Use Enemies
Be wary of friends— they will betray you more quickly, for they are easily aroused to envy. They also become spoiled and tyrannical. But hire a former enemy and he will be more loyal than a friend, because he has more to prove. In fact, you have more to fear from friends than from enemies. If you have no enemies, find a way to make them.

 

[Colossus]

It's funny because it has nothing to do with morality or lack thereof, but it is easy to ascribe this to the situation rather than accept it is what most any woman would do given enough time.

Regarding the guy in the OP, his wife just dissed him big time in the national media, but I bet you he's still with her. And I bet a divorce is a foregone conclusion for her and he is about to get steamrolled.

 

[jophil28]

Yeah isn't one of the oaths women take in marriage, "For richer or poorer, in sickness and in health..". And I think traditionally there's a part about "Obey and honor" her husband.





Yeah I agree. It does matter if the person you are dealing with believes in the concept of doing what's objectively right and not just whatever is expediate or self-serving.

Most people (and some heavy weights on this board ) do not believe in objective morality because they have been brain-washed by Post Modernist philosophy during their college years.

Thankfully the physical sciences treat Post Modernism with the contempt that it deserves.

I wonder what the next fad will be that hijacks the liberal arts.


And so

 

[SXS]

While I think RT's first post is the undiluted truth, I also think that refracting this truth into the perspective that ALL women are amoral, unilateral provision-seekers is not the best way to go through life.

There are many excepions also. My uncle had a drinking problems, and his wife suported him for years, as he couldn't hold a job. They now have 20 years of marriage and 3 kids.
I know some couples where the guy is a lot less sucessfull than the woman.

Also, those rich guys in holywood, despite all their money and fame, they get dumped all the time.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

There are many excepions also. My uncle had a drinking problems, and his wife suported him for years, as he couldn't hold a job. They now have 20 years of marriage and 3 kids.
I know some couples where the guy is a lot less sucessfull than the woman.

Also, those rich guys in holywood, despite all their money and fame, they get dumped all the time.

Normally for men with more money or better traits then the men they are currently with. Women are as loyal as their options. I do agree though that women with CHARACTER will stick through things more. You see this with the older generation more then you do the younger.

It could be worse though. She could never leave you. I have an uncle that handed his balls over to his wife they day they met. She is constantly harping on about womans rights and how there are double standards. Its never ending the trouble they have to endure just because they have a vagina.

This while she sleeps till 9 every morning and gave up working the day they were married.As a housewife, she refuses to do his ironing, which he does himself. She only cooks 3-4 times a week. Very often, if there are left overs, he eats the same thing the next night. She is a hypochondriac. The guy cant fart without asking permission. She forbids him from wearing shorts and she decides what he wears when they go out. She manages his salary and he is given an allowance. This way they can make sure they stay within their budget! She restricted his golf to two rounds a month and he was forbidden from drinking a few whiskeys at night when he had started to put on weight.

It is so bad, that after she organised a girls night out (she is 53) and she found out that he was going to visit my aunt for dinner, she came down on him like a ton of bricks because there was no one at home to look after her dog. He cancelled. What does he get for all that sacrifice?

Two kids who have as much respect for him as they do a bum on the street. Sometimes the AFC's never get divorced. The women stick around to rule them.

 

[edger]

The guy cant fart without asking permission. She forbids him from wearing shorts and she decides what he wears when they go out. She manages his salary and he is given an allowance. This way they can make sure they stay within their budget! She restricted his golf to two rounds a month and he was forbidden from drinking a few whiskeys at night when he had started to put on weight.

It is so bad, that after she organised a girls night out (she is 53) and she found out that he was going to visit my aunt for dinner, she came down on him like a ton of bricks because there was no one at home to look after her dog. He cancelled.

LOL! Reading this was funny.

 

[SXS]

Two kids who have as much respect for him as they do a bum on the street. Sometimes the AFC's never get divorced. The women stick around to rule them.

Hmmm, that is exactly the case with my uncle. I heard it more than once my cousin calling him "dumb" and "useless".

 

[synergy1]

Oh, I'd agree, you can easily find moralistic women who are unilateral provision-seekers too. Heheh,..

What I find humorous about this is that on one hand we'll post 5 page threads about how women create their own morales post-facto, yet on the other hope that their morality will overshadow what their conditions prompt them to do - and of course after which they'll cater a convenient morality for that.



Law 2: Never Put Too Much Trust in Friends, Learn How to Use Enemies
Be wary of friends— they will betray you more quickly, for they are easily aroused to envy. They also become spoiled and tyrannical. But hire a former enemy and he will be more loyal than a friend, because he has more to prove. In fact, you have more to fear from friends than from enemies. If you have no enemies, find a way to make them.

Machiavelli also proposes that a prince both be loved and feared and suggests that a prince that is feared can more easily rule their principality than if they were only loved. This is because people who are loved can be forgotten during times of duress.

Different scenarios, similar contexts.

 

[synergy1]

I would also like to add that my girlfriend has been pretty supportive since I got laid off. To say women don't respect you right after losing a job is sort of generalizing. RT was dead on saying that the potential is still there which is personality trait that they were attracted too. One aspect I do agree upon is that if I continue unemployed , or take a job outside of my field ( engineering), she would likely lose interest.

I lost my job at the worst time to lose your job. If the job leads go dry, I and many here might be interested to see how the dynamic works out. Is the thesis proposed by the OP true?

 

[WaterTiger]

I have a friend at work who's husband has been out of work for two months, after being laid off from his job. Every morning he goes to "job websites", sends out about 20 resumes & spends the rest of the day playing WarCraft. She works a full-time job, a part-time job and has a small business she runs in her spare time. (PLUS she takes care of their 2 children.)

Do you have respect for this guy?

My Dad has had four major strokes and is basically a 6 foot tall, 180 pound infant. For the past 10 years he has lived at home. My mother has cared for him, cooked for him, fed him, bathed him, gave him his medicine, took him to the doctor, wiped his mouth and wiped his butt. She is his full time nurse and wouldn't have it any other way. She took those vows "for better or worse" and meant them.

Do you have respect for her?


Let's put the shoe on the other foot gentlemen. Let's say you and your Wife/GF make about the same amount of money, you split all the bills out of a joint account. How long would you be cool with your her getting laid off/"downsized"? How long would you pay the bills before you start getting salty about doing it? How long before you start grilling her: "Did you look for a job today? Did you call back that company?" How long would it take before you started losing respect for her?

 

[Trader]

I have a friend at work who's husband has been out of work for two months, after being laid off from his job. Every morning he goes to "job websites", sends out about 20 resumes & spends the rest of the day playing WarCraft. She works a full-time job, a part-time job and has a small business she runs in her spare time. (PLUS she takes care of their 2 children.)

Do you have respect for this guy?

That was one big non-sequitur.

No one here said a girl should excuse a man's laziness. It's just comical how *most* girls will bail sooner or later when her material lifestyle is seriously threatened - even if the man who lost his job is busting his tail off.

My Dad has had four major strokes and is basically a 6 foot tall, 180 pound infant. For the past 10 years he has lived at home. My mother has cared for him, cooked for him, fed him, bathed him, gave him his medicine, took him to the doctor, wiped his mouth and wiped his butt. She is his full time nurse and wouldn't have it any other way. She took those vows "for better or worse" and meant them.

Do you have respect for her?

That's great. But again the exception proves the rule (side note: your example is regarding the previous generation before us - times have changed). I'm not saying for sure my girl is going to bail on me if things don't stay peachy but you can't possibly go around *expecting* girls to have that kind of loyalty these days.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot gentlemen. Let's say you and your Wife/GF make about the same amount of money, you split all the bills out of a joint account. How long would you be cool with your her getting laid off/"downsized"? How long would you pay the bills before you start getting salty about doing it? How long before you start grilling her: "Did you look for a job today? Did you call back that company?" How long would it take before you started losing respect for her?

Poor example. Guys and girls are different. Men do not expect girls to bring home the money. If the wife works and brings in cash - great. If she loses her job and stops looking - no man is going to *lose respect* for her.