Lose your job? You suck.

[mrRuckus]

Oh good, if i lose my job due to the sh1ttiest economy ever, then i lose respect. Marriage, what a deal.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=7497859

Women struggle with the change, too. Eleanor Hemmert is now the main breadwinner after her husband Rick lost his job.

"I don't want to see him in an apron," she said. "I wish I could say something different, but I've lost so much respect for him."

Good thing women can't lose respect with me since they never had it in the first place.

 

[Mr. Me]

>> Have Gender Roles Reversed in Your Home? Tell ABC News. >>

Ah, how the media bashes men.

What about all the female CEOs, other businesswomen, female doctors, even Presidential candidates, positions that were traditionally occupied by males? Note that's all considered equal op and enlightenment and all's well and good, you've come a long way baby, you are woman hear you roar.... But a guy loses his job and temporarily becomes Mr. Mom as a matter of necessity in the worst economic times since the great depression and the media labels him as having his "gender roles reversed" as if he's just been castrated.

>> "Even the most enlightened, feminist males struggle when they can no longer be the primary earner," said Deborah Carr, professor of sociology at Rutgers University. >>

Not so subtle placement of "male feminists" as being the "enlightened" compared to us unenlightened more traditional dark age types.

 

[jophil28]

Oh good, if i lose my job due to the sh1ttiest economy ever, then i lose respect. Marriage, what a deal.

Never fear ,men. Those sweet folks down at IREA are always hiring . Try the Soft Furnishings Dept.
IF you know your throw pillows and your satin sheets, then Nigel down there would LOVE to talk to you...

Hey, its an honest job.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. If anything we should be thanking a woman for being as candid as this; at least the guy has confirmed for him exactly what women's precepts are for their respect rather than assuming it's a given based on love. It's not, it's conditional. Thus your expectations and prerequisites of her need to be contrasted equally with this.

You can never stop achieving, you can never get comfortable. The moment you do is the moment she begins to doubt. That's not to say a woman wont stick by you when times get tough, just know that there is a threshold for her respect. Guy's hit me up with questions like, "damn, man, can't you ever just let your guard down and rest comfortably knowing she loves you?" Short answer: no. You can be more relaxed when you've established a frame for the relationship that inspires her respect, but you can never relax in maintaining that frame. This is what is required of you as a Man, and if you are unable or unwilling to be that Man she will become the Man in your place.

Does this sound harsh? It should, but in acknowledging this a Man needs to adjust HIS prerequisites, HIS conditions and HIS expectations according to such a strict outline as her own when pairing with a woman and establishing a relationship. The feminine plea will always be an emotional one: till death do us part, for richer and for poorer, etc. but it is a rare woman willing to live those vows and move into a tent city when her husband is unemployed. Women will opportunistically play the love and emotion card in order to secure a commitment, but it's her behaviors when his provisioning is called into doubt that make that same commitment an anchor around her neck.

 

[mrRuckus]

The only way women can earn my respect is to become men.

Sorry, women, don't wish it were easier, wish you were a man.

A relationship is just purely unequal. You'll simply put out more than you'll get back. You offer a bajillion things and she temporarily offers a vagina until her fat gut droops down over it.

If i were married at 25 and at 40 another 25 yo hottie came along I have NO REASON to hesitate ditching my wife. "sorry, wife, you should've been hotter." Why should i feel ANY guilt when it's always been a precondition that she'd ditch me the second I stumbled...? ...when everyone knows that vows are just ceremony not to be taken seriously?

just know that there is a threshold for her respect

That lady i quoted didn't even give the guy a chance. She purely lost respect for him because he lost a job? She didn't give him any time to prevail and end up with a better job; she just decided he was trash. This is bogus. The most famous and best among us through history have failed miserably again and again only to come crawling out of the ashes for the better of it.

If this is biological, then that's just the way it is. So adapt it will be. Do whatever you have to do to look out for numero uno alone like women do and feel no guilt for it.

Save the honor, integrity, and other moral high ground niceties for men who have a shot at matching you.

Women can barely get themselves out of the bed in the morning without an emotional breakdown, and she has the gall to lose respect for me because I got laid off? F that. She's trash.

 

[Deep Dish]

Chris Rock said it the best.

Men and women, so many differences. The biggest difference—one of the biggest differences, men cannot go backwards sexually, women cannot go backwards in lifestyle. Can't fücking do it. The best woman can't do it. Can't do it, can't do it.

Fellas, have you ever been going through some hard times with your woman—you lose your job or something? Your woman tries to console you, saying, "Hey baby, don't worry, we're going to get through this. I know we've got some bills, but if we have to get rid of some of this shït, we will get rid of some of this shït." She's talking about you. Fellas, if you lose your job, you will lose your woman. She may not leave the day you lose it, but the countdown has begun.

 

[Trader]

That's why I really don't expect *anything* from a girl. They are simply *amoral* creatures who look out completely for their own interest.

Accept reality, adjust your behavior accordingly and move on

 

[Bible_Belt]

Curiously, a lot of those same women would not be much happier if their men were working too much instead of too little. Just as typical as the layoff scenario is one where the guy thinks that he is working those long hours for the sake of family, maybe to buy a pool, while the wife is feeling neglected and doing the pool boy.

A lot of women are shallow b!tches, but they are not all the same. Many of them are so desperately lonely that they would be happy to have a man on any terms. Part of the blame for the woman losing respect for the man is his fault for putting up with it. She just told the national media that she does not respect her husband, and I bet he is still with her right now. It's his fault for not walking away.

For every woman in this world who will treat you badly, there is another one who is very lonely and would love to have you. Despite the failings of some women, I still find it more productive to love women and not hate them: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=144055

 

[STR8UP]

Rollo is on the money.

If you buy into this "richer or poorer" crap, you're a sucker. I used to be a sucker.

Wouldn't it be great if we could find a partner who would accept us unconditionally? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to go home after a hard day at work and RELAX without having to worry about keeping your alpha game face on all the time?

Sure it would. But that isn't how it works.

Being a man is a tough job. We don't have the luxury of leaning on someone or something. We have to be "the rock".

Think of it this way.

You marry a gorgeous 26 year old woman. Everything is great until one day she develops a disease that causes her to become disfigured, face and body.

A big part of the reason why you married this chick was for her genetic potential. Now you see that her genes are flawed. Are you wrong for not being able to get it up for her any more? Are you wrong for leaving her?

It's the same for women, except it is much easier to hide behind another excuse when she leaves you because you lost your job. Leave a woman when she starts to grow softball sized tumors on her neck and you are a horrible, horrible human being.

Stripped down to the barebones, relationships are based on utility. We spit shine it and wrap it up in a pretty bow, but make no mistake- her value as a woman is based in large part on her looks, and your value as a man is based in large part on your ability to support a family. Take away either one and "love" can quickly evaporate.

 

[mrRuckus]

A lot of women are shallow b!tches, but they are not all the same. Many of them are so desperately lonely that they would be happy to have a man on any terms.

Why would a woman worth a damn be desperately lonely? Why would I want her if the only reason she is nice is because she hasn't the luxury to be anything but? I choose to be nice to people [men] in general because i should be, not because there's some advantage.

Why does realizing what women are all about always manage to come down to "you're bitter because of failure." It's not even my failures that bother me. It's everyday coming across men getting screwed over while the media pats women on the back.

I might not be the one whose house was broken into, but i still want the crime solved and the perpetrator to pay.

I'm watching my friends get married and have babies and i know in 5 years there's going to be several needless train wrecks at the hands of merciless women while the men go in full of positive attitudes that will hear nothing of how sweet women aren't. They think how nothing will ever go wrong. Then we'll blame the men for not knowing better but unless you get slapped upside the head there is no way of knowing that the way you do things is wrong because all of society is screaming "this is how it goes! this is the right path!" They don't even know that it's okay to be men. Trains are pulling out of the station, and I know the bridge is out, but no one will listen.

It's his fault for not walking away.

This is just lame that this is the only solution to things anymore.

You marry a gorgeous 26 year old woman. Everything is great until one day she develops a disease that causes her to become disfigured, face and body.

A big part of the reason why you married this chick was for her genetic potential. Now you see that her genes are flawed. Are you wrong for not being able to get it up for her any more? Are you wrong for leaving her?

It's the same for women, except it is much easier to hide behind another excuse when she leaves you because you lost your job. Leave a woman when she starts to grow softball sized tumors on her neck and you are a horrible, horrible human being.

Losing your job is CORRECTABLE and not a genetic flaw. If it were, everyone in 1930 is genetically flawed which means we are all since we're descended from them, which actually makes sense given how the baby boomers screwed us all.

 

[STR8UP]

Losing your job is CORRECTABLE and not a genetic flaw.

Okay, so lets say she lets herself get fat....

This is a moot point. Perception is reality. Just because you feel that it isn't "right", doesn't mean that it isn't a fact.

I'm the first one to criticize women for wanting benefit without responsibility, but this kind of thing has nothing to do with feminist entitlement, it's plain and simple biology at work.

You might not like the rules of the game, but your time will be much more productive accepting and learning to play by them than complaining and trying to change them. I suppose the same could be said for complaining about the feminist agenda, but the difference is that one goes against nature and is therefore only a matter of time before the pendulum swings, the other will be pretty much the same for all of eternity.

 

[ketostix]

I suppose the same could be said for complaining about the feminist agenda, but the difference is that one goes against nature and is therefore only a matter of time before the pendulum swings, the other will be pretty much the same for all of eternity.

The thing in this scenario that's going against nature is men accepting the feminist agenda. It is nature for women to try to push their agenda on men. It's also men's nature to not accept it, or it is but men are not really following their natural inclinations. If men just accept the feminist agenda and try to work within it, then how and why would the pendulum magically swing back the other way? Even if over time nature did swing the pendulum back it would take so long that it wouldn't benefit any men alive today. Remain silent and passive and waiting on nature to change things isn't going to accomplish anything. It would take a huge propaganda campaign to reverse things like AA, feminism, etc. I'm totally with MrRuckus on this.

To tell you the truth I actually blame men as much or more than women. They accepted the feminist agenda. They allowed it to become public policy and the law. And I know what the mentality of these men who were in the postion to vote feminism down is. They were primarily older married and wealthy. They got theirs and out of jealousy they wanted to stick it to the rest of the white guys and the rest of the up-and-comer males. Take that you bastards haha! This is clearly what the baby boomers have done. And it what male feminist ollaborators are still doing. Is it nature for men to sell out other men? I'm not sure and I don't really care. Wrong is wrong. My view is nature doesn't have a precise master plan that guides people in everything, instead only prevalent and general forces that encourage various scenarios to happen.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Why would a woman worth a damn be desperately lonely?

Why? Low self-esteem. Most women are not "worth a damn" in their own eyes, even women that most men would find attractive

Why does realizing what women are all about always manage to come down to "you're bitter because of failure." It's not even my failures that bother me. It's everyday coming across men getting screwed over while the media pats women on the back.

But why does any of that matter to you? Internalizing all of the things that are unfair about gender dynamics will drive you nuts if you let it. What is fair is that everyone has a right to leave when a relationship goes sour. Men who let their wives disrespect them and continue taking it have their own psychological issues and probably low self-esteem themselves. Emotional abuse from women has a lot of similarities to physical abuse from men. I think telling ABC News that you don't respect your husband any more amounts to emotional abuse, and just like the battered wife who won't leave, it is in part the husband's fault for tolerating the abuse.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

You might not like the rules of the game, but your time will be much more productive accepting and learning to play by them than complaining and trying to change them.

Agreed, however the only way to change the game is to master it first.

A Man must operate and make decisions based upon an understanding that his relations with his wife/GF/family/friends/business associates are conditional. When I met Mrs. Tomassi I didn't have 2 nickels to rub together and she was accustomed to dating E.R. doctors and radiologists who's income wasn't in the same world as my own. Yet she chose to marry me. Don't make the mistake of assuming that finances define your value as a Man. Mrs. Tomassi to this day still tells me she understood my potential. Today I make a good amount of money, but still not in the realm her former BFs did, however I can say that I'm more of a positively masculine Man than any of them would ever be.

I could lose my job tomorrow, and for as much as my wife would tell me the contrary, I know that it would shake her confidence. But If I abdicate my masculinity and surrender wholesale (especially without a fight) my role as husband, father and Man, that's when she leaves me. It's a Man with an ability to generate options (and I don't simply mean other women) and land on his feet who a woman stays for. Is that love? Yes. Is that opportunism? Yes again. My guess is that DUE to this popular concept of gender redefinition men feel comfortable in abdicating their role; they assume their wives/LTRs will embrace it - they wont.

 

[Trader]

I agree that we should love women instead of hate them.

After all, what is the point of *judging* a girl? She is amoral anyways, do you judge a child who does something wrong? The child just doesn't know any better.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Women: no helpmate in poverty, only in fortune.

"damn, man, can't you ever just let your guard down and rest comfortably knowing she loves you?" Short answer: no.

This is what bothers me a lot about women. I know I'm not perfect and at some point in my life my guard is probably going to slip either through personal error or something out of my control.

I don't live paycheck to paycheck, even if I lost my job it wouldn't be the end of the world for a while. What concerns me is what happens if I am unable to make money -- maybe I'm incapacitated in a car accident or I get cancer. For the most part, based on my experiences and what I've seen happen to others I should just assume that I will be abandoned.

Sorry, but I can't live life having a wife who is a dependent rather than an actual partner. This is why I just say "no" to marriage.

I am Luthor Rex, and I endorse this message.

 

[STR8UP]

When I met Mrs. Tomassi I didn't have 2 nickels to rub together and she was accustomed to dating E.R. doctors and radiologists who's income wasn't in the same world as my own. Yet she chose to marry me. Don't make the mistake of assuming that finances define your value as a Man. Mrs. Tomassi to this day still tells me she understood my potential. Today I make a good amount of money, but still not in the realm her former BFs did, however I can say that I'm more of a positively masculine Man than any of them would ever be.

As with many things, it isn't your job or your car or your clothes that attract women, it is her perception of your ability to obtain those things (wealth). A woman isn't necessarily going to cut and run if you lose your job, but the chances are a lot greater if you lose your confidence at the same time.

Even if over time nature did swing the pendulum back it would take so long that it wouldn't benefit any men alive today. Remain silent and passive and waiting on nature to change things isn't going to accomplish anything. It would take a huge propaganda campaign to reverse things like AA, feminism, etc. I'm totally with MrRuckus on this.

That's not what I was saying. My point was that there is no reason to complain about stuff that only eons of evolution could possibly change (women losing attraction for a man who loses his source of income). I am actually FOR creating a movement that will bring things back into line on issues that aren't "natural" (radical feminism).

 

[RedPill]

I agree that we should love women instead of hate them.

After all, what is the point of *judging* a girl? She is amoral anyways, do you judge a child who does something wrong? The child just doesn't know any better.

The Amoral Wasteland?

 

[piranha45]

redpill's link doesn't work

 

[ketostix]

That's not what I was saying. My point was that there is no reason to complain about stuff that only eons of evolution could possibly change (women losing attraction for a man who loses his source of income). I am actually FOR creating a movement that will bring things back into line on issues that aren't "natural" (radical feminism).

OK I missunderstood you. My point is that it's natural for a woman to be attracted to a man that earns a good living, and women are attracted to a man who makes more than they do. So it's clearly unnatural for women to have careers and to be competing against men and for the law to require that women get half of the available careers.

I agree that we should love women instead of hate them.

After all, what is the point of *judging* a girl? She is amoral anyways, do you judge a child who does something wrong? The child just doesn't know any better.

It has nothing to do with hating or loving women. If you know women are like children and even amoral, then you wouldn't put them in the driver seat to crash and burn with them. That's the point, it's not good for women or men for women to be so priviledge to have a career at the expense of men's opportunities.