Looks, money, or status. Which one FTW and why?

[Just a Shot Away]

This is an interesting viewpoint. It reminds me of the many guys I meet who "have" a hot girlfriend, but sort of wither into the background when an alpha male comes and talks to her.

I have no idea how my views about looks being arbitrary relates to being a punk. For the record, I've never had a hot girlfriend (no confidence or game) so I've never had this problem.

As far as your claim that girls ask you for sex for no other reason than your looks, this means that one of two things are true:

1) I need to move to Eureka/Sacramento or wherever it is that you're from...yesterday.

2) Girls don't find me attractive.

3) You're leaving out one or more crucial details, such as your body language, vibe you're giving off, and girls observing you interacting with other girls/people at the club.


Since #1 could be true but isn't going to happen no matter how much casual sex it may mean for me, I'll strike that one off. #2 is out considering the circumstances. That leaves #3. This is a very likely possibility. Someone who is stealing hot girlfriends from guys, admits to exuding confidence, and banging random chicks backstage at concerts is probably not going to be exhibiting AFC behavior at the aforementioned clubs/concerts. So we're back to square one. Confidence trumps all. No surprise here. Science (by definition) supports the facts.

 

[zekko]

I think status is probably the trump card when it comes to getting women. Status would entail things like being famous, captain of the football team, or just the guy in the club that all the women want.

But if I had my choice, I'd take the money. Because you can do all kinds of things with it, not just women.

 

[Duffdog]

I have no idea how my views about looks being arbitrary relates to being a punk. For the record, I've never had a hot girlfriend (no confidence or game) so I've never had this problem.

As far as your claim that girls ask you for sex for no other reason than your looks, this means that one of two things are true:

1) I need to move to Eureka/Sacramento or wherever it is that you're from...yesterday.

I'm not from Sacramento, I spent my college years there and recently moved somewhere more fun. But, I will admit that most of the girls in sac are not "hard to get" and they seem to place looks as the most important thing when going for a guy. So, if you are tall and work out daily-- you are a target for girls and could have sex 3 times a day if you wanted. I have noticed that gyms in Sac are PACKED, every day. Its very competitive for males there. To give you an example, I am 6'2" and wiegh 234. I bench 300 and can shoulder raise 50lbs with each arm... and still, I am not considered a very big guy there.

2) Girls don't find me attractive.

I'm heavily leaning toward this one.

3) You're leaving out one or more crucial details, such as your body language, vibe you're giving off, and girls observing you interacting with other girls/people at the club.


I find this interesting, let me translate it for you from the mind of a female when she is at a club:

Body language = are you hot? If you are, then girls notice your "body language"-- if not, then your body language is irrelevant.

Vibe = are you hot? If you are, then they notice your "vibe" -- if not, your vibe is just creepy

Interaction with other girls = Duh, do you really think that girls pay attention to guys that they don't find attractive?


Since #1 could be true but isn't going to happen no matter how much casual sex it may mean for me, I'll strike that one off.


#2 is out considering the circumstances.

What circumstances? How exactly do you know that this is not your whole problem? You said that you have never had a gf. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it probably isn't the girls fault and just might be your fault. :crackup: This is what is called denial. It should not require any effort for a male and a female to come together and like each other. It should naturally happen...unfortunately, in this modern society, the girls get to do all the choosing. So, who do you think they will choose? Why is it that "some guys" have "all the luck"? It must be totally random and have nothing to do with the fact that these guys are what the girl wants...right?


That leaves #3. This is a very likely possibility. Someone who is stealing hot girlfriends from guys, admits to exuding confidence, and banging random chicks backstage at concerts is probably not going to be exhibiting AFC behavior at the aforementioned clubs/concerts. So we're back to square one.

Confidence trumps all.

You have missed the point entirely. You need to be something worthy of confidence before you just wake up one day and declare to yourself, "As of this moment, I am now confident!" Because obviously, your method ain't working. Why don't you try mine for a change.

No surprise here.

Science (by definition) supports the facts.

Scientists supports whatever their funding tells them to support. Case in point- global warming.

girls are not 300 level courses, they are easy to figure out.

 

[Maxtro]

No contest it's all about your status/fame/popularity.

It's all about how connected you are, or are not.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

But, I will admit that most of the girls in sac are not "hard to get" and they seem to place looks as the most important thing when going for a guy. So, if you are tall and work out daily-- you are a target for girls and could have sex 3 times a day if you wanted.

Then I guess Sacramento is the exception. I've never been there. However, I HAVE been to New York, Los Angeles, San Diego, Chicago, San Francisco, Denver, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, San Antonio and several other areas of the country. I looked pretty much the same as I do right now, and got no bush. 'Nuff said.

I'm heavily leaning toward this one.

Course you are. You're a standard brainwashed natural that likes to think his looks are the reason that he can get girls.


Body language = are you hot?
Vibe = are you hot?

Oh I see. Your body language and the vibe you give off have nothing to do with being able to get girls. All that matters is looks. This is gold, let me get a pen and paper...

Interaction with other girls = Duh, do you really think that girls pay attention to guys that they don't find attractive?

That's not what I meant. I'm talking about potential targets observing how you interact with other women to gauge confidence levels and other evolutionarily desirable characteristics.

What circumstances? How exactly do you know that this is not your whole problem? You said that you have never had a gf.

The circumstances of receiving constant verbal/non-verbal compliments of my looks. I won't go into detail because it just makes me sound like an egotistical jackass when I relay the stories, but if you require pictures as proof I will certainly provide them if it comes to that. Oh, and I never said I never had a girlfriend. I said I never had a HOT girlfriend. Careful...

So, who do you think they will choose? Why is it that "some guys" have "all the luck"? It must be totally random and have nothing to do with the fact that these guys are what the girl wants...right?

Absolutely. These guys ARE what the girl wants. This isn't the debate. The debate is why science, the DJ Bible, and every PUA/guru is on my side, and why they're not on yours. A girl saying a dude is hot is like a guy saying a girl has a good personality. Does that put this thing into perspective for you?

Because obviously, your method ain't working. Why don't you try mine for a change.

Your method is "be physically attractive." Done and done. Now why aren't two Victoria's Secret models blowing me while I'm typing this right now? Odd, considering your viewpoint.

Scientists supports whatever their funding tells them to support. Case in point- global warming.

:crackup: Are you serious with that? Who has the motivation to get respected scientists from all over the world to fabricate data, ghostwrite Darwin's findings, and lie about what women subconsciously look for in a man?

Dude, you're a true natural. It must be nice. Unfortunately, the price of being able to get women naturally is that you don't fully understand how it works. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. I envy you.

 

[Duffdog]

Then I guess Sacramento is the exception. I've never been there. However, I HAVE been to New York, Los Angeles, San Diego, Chicago, San Francisco, Denver, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, San Antonio and several other areas of the country. I looked pretty much the same as I do right now, and got no bush. 'Nuff said.

I live closer to SF now, and I will tell you that its pretty wack trying to pick up girls there. Everywhere I went in sf I was surrounded by at least 5 guys to one girl. Its a cool place to go out if you already have a girl with you. But, you also were in San Diego-- that is the most superficial place in the entire world...and you still couldn't score???????

So, you have been all over the country, tried everything in the DJ bible and none of it ever worked for you? Ever? Like--- you have never had a girl come up to you who was attracted to you and take you home...ever?

Dude, that must suck. I kind of feel bad now, but not bad enough to say that you can't improve.

Do you think maybe the "method" put forth by DJ guru's might not actually be the true way to get a girl? The Holy Trinity of female desire really has to do with not being an average guy... you chose one direction and stick with it, that creates attraction for you. I think the key behind all this is that even if the girl doesn't like you, you are still either a) attractive, b) wealthy or c) high status. The chic didn't change any of that. But, imagine that the only thing you have is 'confidence' and some girl shoots you down. Now, you are left with nothing because you started with nothing.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

But, you also were in San Diego-- that is the most superficial place in the entire world...and you still couldn't score???????

No, I couldn't. But in the interest of full disclosure, I also didn't really try because when I lived in SD my dynamic with women was well-established and it was apparent to me that women were not attracted to me (when I say attraction, I exclude the physical type because from what I've observed it's meaningless).

So, you have been all over the country, tried everything in the DJ bible and none of it ever worked for you? Ever? Like--- you have never had a girl come up to you who was attracted to you and take you home...ever?

Never. I've had girls shout at me in regards to my looks at bars and/or stare at me, intentionally brush into me...that sort of stuff. Never anything close to what you were describing what goes on in Sac. I once drunkenly convinced an HB 5.5 to give me a ride home, but encountered solid LMR and she bolted.

Dude, that must suck. I kind of feel bad now, but not bad enough to say that you can't improve.

Thanks man. It DOES suck watching people do the things that you literally dream about on a daily basis, all the while having people tell you that you SHOULD be able to based on your facial/physique aesthetics. Don't feel bad. Everyone is given their own gifts in life, you know?

I think the key behind all this is that even if the girl doesn't like you, you are still either a) attractive, b) wealthy or c) high status. The chic didn't change any of that. But, imagine that the only thing you have is 'confidence' and some girl shoots you down. Now, you are left with nothing because you started with nothing.

That's a great way to look at it, but what happens when being attractive, wealthy or powerful fails to provide happiness? The grass is always greener.

 

[Duffdog]

That's a great way to look at it, but what happens when being attractive, wealthy or powerful fails to provide happiness? The grass is always greener.

So let me ask you something simple. Have you tried the status route? Most males find that the most effective way to get females to like them.

 

[Jitterbug]

This is a no contest. Status (fame) trumps all.

We all know good-looking guys who can't get laid.

Similarly, rich guys who struggle with women.

There is no famous guy who can't get laid. And we all know plenty of famous ugly motherfvckers who get laid more than this whole forum put together.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

So let me ask you something simple. Have you tried the status route? Most males find that the most effective way to get females to like them.

Interestingly enough, I'm on the path to becoming a trauma surgeon, and plan to continue my studies in Los Angeles while auditioning for film/TV roles every chance I get. I've heard that physicians get plenty of bush based on their profession alone, and successful actors obviously have no trouble. Women didn't factor into my career goals at all, though...maybe a psychiatrist would say otherwise about the influence of my subconscious though, haha.

Both routes are extremely tough, however. Most naturals simply advise: "You just gotta TALK to 'em, man!" or "Just say 'Hi' next time you see her."

 

[rakishness]

Wow...Are people on this forum finally realizing confidence alone wont attract the best women. And that a man can be insecure and still attract scores of women as long as he has VALUE. Things are a changing. LOL

 

[nismo-4]

Wow...Are people on this forum finally realizing confidence alone wont attract the best women. And that a man can be insecure and still attract scores of women as long as he has VALUE. Things are a changing. LOL

Duff as usual knows what the hell he's talking about and you, rakishness, are catching on!

If one asked me this question, I'd pick money because I'd be able to have cool people hanging around me and women can dangle on the hope that they get a piece of the pie.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

Status, so that the women are awestruck and cooperative.

Wealth, so that your life kicks @ss and you can take care of the people you love.

So I still submit that wealth is the highest aspiration here, when you have wealth all other good things follow, if you are able to receive them.

Though obviously, confidence need not be based upon wealth, nor should it.

 

[Duffdog]

Interestingly enough, I'm on the path to becoming a trauma surgeon, and plan to continue my studies in Los Angeles while auditioning for film/TV roles every chance I get. I've heard that physicians get plenty of bush based on their profession alone, and successful actors obviously have no trouble. Women didn't factor into my career goals at all, though...maybe a psychiatrist would say otherwise about the influence of my subconscious though, haha.

Both routes are extremely tough, however. Most naturals simply advise: "You just gotta TALK to 'em, man!" or "Just say 'Hi' next time you see her."

I saw your picture on your profile and yeah-- you are a lot more attractive than I am. I don't look like I should be on film like you do, unless they were looking for someone who looks like he should punch random people for fun. If I was you, I would ditch the film/tv roles thing and just be a doctor. The two best pickup lines I ever heard were from a guy and a girl. The first was: "If you met a hot doctor, would you go home with him?" the chic was like "Duh! of course I would"...he then offered her his arm and they left with the girl blushing the whole way.

The second happened to me in Reno. I was at a Decompression party and this hot redhead chic wearing a leather corset walked up to me and looked right in my eyes as if she had something profound to say, but instead simply said: "I have natural triple D's" and nothing else. She really didn't say anything else, I just responded "OK! where is your apartment?" and we were off. The thing about this is that if she something I didn't want, nothing she said would matter. Because she knew that she was hot, she didn't even have to try...neither did I. We both just skipped the whole "game" thing and went right to her screaming and scratching my back with her nails.

The thing about this website and others like it is that men who are out nailing chics just don't even think about posting their methods...they are too content and that sort of stuff slips their mind. If you will notice, there are periods of time where I just don't post anything at all...

Guess what I was doing. I'm betting that as soon as you accomplish your goal, you will never post here ever again because too many vag1na's will be flying at you from every direction and you will wonder why you ever visited a PUA website.

 

[Joe Stud]

Ok IF... your talking about ATTRACTING women ...

Money: how does a woman really know you have $$? by conversing with you? a suit & tie can be a guys only dress clothes (not accurate)
Status: Maybe, if u r a rock star or known CEO. But what about doctors, lawyers, real estate tycoons, millionaires, etc? Again, a woman has to converse with you?
Looks: This is usually the blue chip. raw physical attraction... it gets a woman to the point ... of conversing with you, in the first place. Sorry guys, get your teeth fixed, hair styled, go to the gym, take a shower, cut down on the devil dogs... they are sizing up your looks in the first place.

 

[synergy1]

The thing about this website and others like it is that men who are out nailing chics just don't even think about posting their methods...they are too content and that sort of stuff slips their mind. If you will notice, there are periods of time where I just don't post anything at all...

Agreed. I find that the folks who post about their methods often are the ones who eventually start an epic thread talking about how their life is fvcked up, or how they can't get girls.

Big hat, no cattle. Folks are more than happy to run their beaks, but most people can't back up ****.

 

[Megaman XIV]

Ok IF... your talking about ATTRACTING women ...

Money: how does a woman really know you have $$? by conversing with you? a suit & tie can be a guys only dress clothes (not accurate)
Status: Maybe, if u r a rock star or known CEO. But what about doctors, lawyers, real estate tycoons, millionaires, etc? Again, a woman has to converse with you?
Looks: This is usually the blue chip. raw physical attraction... it gets a woman to the point ... of conversing with you, in the first place. Sorry guys, get your teeth fixed, hair styled, go to the gym, take a shower, cut down on the devil dogs... they are sizing up your looks in the first place.

The OP is obviously talking about attracting women. But now I guess this applies to life outside of women too!

A woman cannot tell if you got mad money unless it's known or the guy makes it known in an obvious way. Driving a Rolls Royce will make women want to converse with you in a sense.

Status, now I can agree on that one.

Looks, however, I'm glad you understand!

 

[Just a Shot Away]

"If you met a hot doctor, would you go home with him?" the chic was like "Duh! of course I would"...he then offered her his arm and they left with the girl blushing the whole way.

$$$. Same result if the question was "If you met a doctor with a red shirt on, would you go home with him?"

We both just skipped the whole "game" thing and went right to her screaming and scratching my back with her nails.

Okay, but how does this relate to looks being important for getting women in the sack?

I'm betting that as soon as you accomplish your goal, you will never post here ever again because too many vag1na's will be flying at you from every direction and you will wonder why you ever visited a PUA website.

Well, watching men all around me of all shapes and sizes and from all different types of backgrounds repeatedly do what I myself cannot is a strong motivation. Also, if the M.D. wins out over acting we're talking about a good 10 years from now of no play. And even then it's not guaranteed, because you still have to find women that care more for money than confidence (a rare find), especially at the bar/club when it's not apparent until you get into a conversation about your respective careers.

.. they are sizing up your looks in the first place.

Guess what? They're sizing up EVERYTHING in the first place. This includes evaluating how much money you may or may not have, and your confidence levels. Unless you're prepared to debate that confidence doesn't attract women, looks are a very, very minor piece of the attraction puzzle. Probably on page 3 or 4 of the list of things.

 

[Megaman XIV]

^^I totally agree. And congrats on your way to becoming a trauma surgeon! You seem to be going after status, which is marvelous (and maybe what you voted.)

Confidence does attract women, but what really helps is when you have one of looks, money, or status. That gives you something to be confident in and it all oozes out naturally. That fake stuff can only get you so far. Women know how to pick up on that crap most of the time.

If I picked money, life kicks ass with or without women! I chose looks because of the fact that girls would have no problem opening up to an attractive person who's naturally confident. Also the radiant aura from this confidence helps too!

 

[Just a Shot Away]

^^I totally agree. And congrats on your way to becoming a trauma surgeon! You seem to be going after status, which is marvelous (and maybe what you voted.)

Ugh, you're killing me, man. You say you agree with me and then you start talking about how important looks are. And for what it's worth, I'm not going into medicine for the status...if I was looking for that, I'd do something much easier to accomplish, like buy a nightclub or something.

I chose looks because of the fact that girls would have no problem opening up to an attractive person who's naturally confident. Also the radiant aura from this confidence helps too!

Confidence trumps looks...every time. Check the science behind it. It's really interesting once you start researching animal behavior and how females select mates.