Looks do matter anectode

[evan12]

A man with BMI < 20 is seriously anorexic, at BMI 15 you're a skeleton.

It depend on your body type , now I am around 25 and it is suck , so 20 or 15 with muscles will be very good

 

[evan12]

I am that big and my BMI gas been down as low as 6% or lower. I mean chicks will grab me and strippers seem a little more excited than usual but it's so fleeting. At the same time the girls I get with seem legitimately attracted. You're right that if they don't see it it doesn't help, I just look fat in suits and I lost that lean face look that worked ok even when I was skinny.

A lot of men dont wear clothes that show their lean or fit body ,I myself wear clothes that work to my advantage , so when my arms miscules big I wear clothes that show them , and women cant help but their eyes slip to my arms , I laugh inside because we did same thing for breasts of women.

if you have lean body try to keep your muscules visible as much as possible .
when I had belly I tended to avoid skinny shirts to hid my belly and so on .

 

[zekko]

I am that big and my BMI gas been down as low as 6% or lower.

I assume you mean body fat percentage.

It depend on your body type , now I am around 25 and it is suck , so 20 or 15 with muscles will be very good

Dude, a BMI of 15 and you might be close to death. You should study up a bit more. I guarantee you women will not be swarming you at a BMI of 15.

A lot of men dont wear clothes that show their lean or fit body ,I myself wear clothes that work to my advantage , so when my arms miscules big I wear clothes that show them , and women cant help but their eyes slip to my arms , I laugh inside because we did same thing for breasts of women.

Girls used to come up and squeeze my muscles before I even had muscles. Well, I had muscles like any male would, but not the kind you get when you work out.

I don't believe that muscles are the male corollary to breasts though. I don't think men have an equivalent to what breasts are for women.

 

[evan12]

I assume you mean body fat percentage.

Girls used to come up and squeeze my muscles before I even had muscles. Well, I had muscles like any male would, but not the kind you get when you work out.

I don't believe that muscles are the male corollary to breasts though. I don't think men have an equivalent to what breasts are for women.

Having miscules mean you are strong , it mean a lot to the woman , it is under estimated how women really care about how strong a man is .and for sure it need to be combined with confidant and a little aggressive look to support the scene.
In fact I found most of men who are over 35 and still have active dating life is either due to their good look/in shape or they are rich , but average guy over 35 can even settle to some thing very less or forget about dating

 

[Wolfgang D]

Of course looks matter, anyone who says otherwise is lying to himself to feel good and to get a few rep points in the forum.

This got me thinking. As much as we men want to believe that looks doesn't matter we can not hide from the fact that it does for many many many women. I will even go as far as to say it is the deciding factor in many cases. We are talking about the most superficial creatures in the world here. They like diamonds becuz they are shiny. They pick cars based on color of the exterior and how cute it is. They like kittens becuz they look cute.

Don't men like kittens because they are cute? Cuteness signals child-like traits, and we have an instinct that makes us like seeing such traits so that we will protect children. It is carried over to cats for many reasons, for example that they have big eyes in proportion to their heads and that the eyes are far down in the face, just like the eyes are placed in babies. The movement pattern of kittens also reminds us of babies, the softness reminds us of babies, and their way of thinking small things are very important reminds us of babies. Women have this instinct more than men, but men have it too, and it is not superficial.

They like diamonds because they are shiny - so do men. Men have also loved gold in all times. Otherwise it would not have been a worldwide commodity. Think of how people lived in the past, just wood and rock and dirt around them. Of course they were fascinated by precious metals, which broke the pattern and seemed as if full of energy because of their shiny nature. Once again it has to do with instinct, though a slightly more complicated one.

They pick cars based on the color and how cute it is - doubtful. I have never met a woman, or a man, who will buy a car based on that fact. Serious money is involved and you have to think of what you need. Maybe you have just met some low-IQ people.

And would it be superficial to care about looks? That is completely wrong. Good looks signal youth and health and good genes. They signal that a partner will be good for having offspring with, and will be able to survive and provide for that offspring.

A certain proportion between the chest and the hips in men signals strength, as do broad chests, well-developed muscles, etc. A certain hip-to-waist ratio in women signals good child-bearing capability. This has been shown in many studies where people look at photographs and pick the body shapes they consider most attractive. It has been shown even when they simply get to pick shapes that resemble the human body.

Firm breasts and buttocks in women signal youth, as do teeth that are clean, a straight back, a youthful voice, smooth skin, and long, full hair. Hair becomes brittle with old age and disease.

A small nose, small ears and a small chin are also attractive in a woman, as these never stop growing with age, so if they are small it signals youth. Wide cheekbones in proportion to the width of the chin also signals youth, as the face becomes more elongated with age. Big eyes also signal youth as the eyes become smaller in proportion to the face with age. Eyes set low in the face also signals youth, as mentioned above. Think of how people will bend down their heads slightly when they want to look cute, because then the eyes appear set lower - by contrast they will hold up their chins when they want to look superior, because then the eyes appear to be set higher.

In men it is not only paedomorphic, youthful, looks that women desire, but also traits that show that a man is strong, that he can fight and hunt, defend and provide for his offspring. That is why a scar (and the whole "bad boy" style) can be attractive, it shows that he has survived a fight. It battles with the instinct to look for smooth, healthy skin though. A certain hawk-like quality to the face also shows that he is aggressive and can fight.

There are also certain proportion we look for in a face that signal that the person is composed in a way close to the ideal proportions we think of for a human face. These proportions, interestingly, appear in faces of men and women of all races, even when they look very different from each other. For example, that the corners of the mouth start right below the middle of the eyes. Anything wider or smaller than that we consider unattractive.


But note: looks matter much more for men than for women. Men are quicker attracted by what they can see, because those men would have more sex and more offspring way, way back. Therefore they passed on their genes more. (That is why men are more aroused by pornography than women are.) Women had to choose more carefully since they could only have a few children, and so while looks matter to them, it is less important than it is for men; women will have to consider personality, status and career in combination with looks.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Something else to consider: The way you walk is critical. I've had more than one woman tell me that my walk and the way I carry myself is what attracted them to me.

Some tips: stand up straight, shoulders back, head up, look people directly in the eye. Walk with a feeling of ease and confidence. Feel like you own a room when you walk into it.

-Augustus-

 

[expos]

The older you get, the more looks don't matter in the long run. It's all about wealth and status post age 30 for women.

A 35-year old woman might go to a club and spot a 26-year ripped guy with a model face who waits tables and wants to have sex with him that night, but you can best bet she'll never leave the comfort and financial security of her 45-year old balding, pudgy husband who's pulling $250K per year, and providing her with that fancy SUV and great vacations, banging him once every 4 months, and who is the father of her kids.

This is a fact.

When guys and girls are in their early to mid-20's, it's all about appearance. Post-30 is about about $$$.

 

[Jitterbug]

Yeah said 35 y.o woman wouldn't leave her husband, but she's getting d1cked by the 26 y.o ripped fella in that same SUV dear hubby bought her as they leave the club.

I'm a dancer. One of the easiest lays in a social dance scene is older *married* women (wives of rich men who are out of shape and frequently out of town) trolling for young d1cks. They put themselves on a plate for you and are very straight forward about their needs, no time to play around.

 

[zekko]

I disagree somewhat..............I don't think you have to look like those fitness models you posted

You don't need to look like those models to get women, but I think what Social Leper was saying was that you had to look like that to say your fitness level was in the top 10%.

I have a friend of mine, he is pretty much dirt poor. So he can't afford to eat that much. That in itself keeps his body fat percentage low, so his abdominal muscles stay visible. He has never lifted weights to my knowledge, but he is somewhat naturally muscled, and has done a good deal of physical labor in his time. Not sure what my point is. I guess it's that a lot of poor people have decent physiques.

 

[Kailex]

As someone who lost considerable weight back in 2010/2011 (I do have a thread/journal somewhere on SoSuave)... I can tell you that it has made quite the difference, but not just because of the way my body changed, but also because of the way I saw myself and the confidence it carried with me.

I've gotten considerably more looks, numbers, etc, in the last two years than I did in years previous simply because did I not only look better, but dressed better, and acted better.

Yes, they'll look at your looks at first glance and decide if you are hot or not, but that's not what is going to keep them there after. You have any idea how many times I've heard women say, "Damn, he was hot, and then he opened his mouth and ruined it."

Looks are only a part of the game, not the sum.

 

[zekko]

Yeah said 35 y.o woman wouldn't leave her husband, but she's getting d1cked by the 26 y.o ripped fella in that same SUV dear hubby bought her as they leave the club.

I'm a dancer. One of the easiest lays in a social dance scene is older *married* women (wives of rich men who are out of shape and frequently out of town) trolling for young d1cks. They put themselves on a plate for you and are very straight forward about their needs, no time to play around.

That shows how important it is to screen. I would never LTR a woman who likes to spend time in clubs, especially an older woman. I can understand the younger girls doing it, they're going to sow their wild oats just like the guys do. IMO, women go to clubs for one main reason: male attention.

Of course, I don't care for clubs myself. I suppose if I did, it might make life more complicated as far as seeking out compatible mates.

We tend to look at such an older rich male as an AFC beta provider, but maybe the truth is he's more of a jerk. Maybe he's so arrogant and full of himself he would never imagine that his little darling would step out and cheat on him. Or more likely, there are plenty of examples of both cases. Another possibility is that when he's out of town, he's cheating on her too.

 

[typical]

I've been on both sides of the fence here, I was once a skinny guy that got big and ripped, I don't have a model face I look decent BUT when you're 5'11 and sitting at 90kg's and 4-8%bf people notice you. Everyone turns and gawks, most times you don't even have to say a word and women are already looking at you in stunned awe, and all you have to say is "Hi my name is ........, and you are?"

You can beat around the bush all you want and make all the tired excuses you want but if you're in decent shape the whole picking up women becomes very very easy. It's at this point that you start to think that hold up maybe it's not my looks but my charm and swagger that's getting me the girls. Don't fool yourself because once you slide back into "out-of-shape" land the female attention goes right out the door.

For two years when I was fighting I kept my self in top notch shape and always made sure I kept my mouth shut and only said few words, let your eyes and your body do the talking and I swear to god they will melt in your arms.