looking to lose 20 pounds in 2 and a half months

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justinsane said:
Heh I see this topic of discussion won't die so I will throw in my other 2 cents.

Yes everyone here brought in a good point about excerise like weightlifting and running. However it's 20 % workouts and 80 % diet. The better the OP regulates his diet ie: fruits, meats, vegtables, grains, the quicker he'll lose that weight depending on his body type....(
This is why I asked how many calories he was taking in each day. In simplest terms, you can't loose weight if you take in more calories than you exert.

Oh, and as for your 'gut' problem, it may not be fat that is giving you a bit of a belly. You may have an enzyme deficiency that's effecting your digestive system.
 

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insanity said:
Thanks for the advice everyone. it's nice to have a list of helpful workouts and diets to try.

i think my dad(doctor) wants me dead or something. i'm not trying to gross everyone out. but most people take a crap what like 2 to 3 times a day. i'm lucky if i go once or twice a month. this is no lie. i asked if i could be put on some kind of safe crap pill.i won't take laxitives because your bowels will depend on them.
but i always thought maybe thats why i don't lose weight.

anyways, thanks guys. 170 here i come this time. i have no doubt this time.
Cracklin' Oat Bran Cereal
Bran Muffins
Rasin Bran

Anything like that should help clean your system out

Have you ever tried taking a crap naked? Soemtimes people find it easier to relax when they are naked
 
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I'm 6 foot 2 and I went from 205 pounds to 190 in about a couple months. It's very simple...you just have to--

eat LESS
eat BETTER
Dont weigh yourself EVER (just notice feeling your pants fitting looser instead)
I personally like 15-20 minutes of High-intensity jump rope (but that's just me)

You don't have to starve yourself, but just gradually eat less than you normally would--that's the most important part.
 

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MyOwnKryptonite said:
Cracklin' Oat Bran Cereal
Bran Muffins
Rasin Bran

Anything like that should help clean your system out

Have you ever tried taking a crap naked? Soemtimes people find it easier to relax when they are naked
I've just gone through my first box of Fiber One cereal and that stuff rocks. One serving (half a cup) with skim milk is only 100 calories and provides 57% of the daily value of fiber! Just have a bowl in the morning and another sometime during the day or a late night snack and you're covered. :up:
 

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I'm 6 foot 2 and I went from 205 pounds to 190 in about a couple months. It's very simple...you just have to--

eat LESS
eat BETTER
Dont weigh yourself EVER (just notice feeling your pants fitting looser instead)
I personally like 15-20 minutes of High-intensity jump rope (but that's just me)

You don't have to starve yourself, but just gradually eat less than you normally would--that's the most important part.
That's what worked for me; changing my diet to eating more nutricious food and the consistant high intinsity workouts. Any exercise that will keep your heart rate a little below red lining at your maximum heart weight does the trick.

It's a bit strange though if you do get on the scale though when you start gaining weight from the added muscle mass but yet you're still tightening your belt to hold your pants up. I can think of worse things that could happen. :D
 

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If you want to lose 20 lbs by christmas it's possible. I have gone from 184 to 174 in about 2 weeks. The diet I am on is extreme and most people fail at it, but if you can stomach it it's proven to work. It is a restricted calorie diet, consisting of protein shakes, flax seeds, fish oil. It is a liquid diet. It involves lifting as well, I think you burn more calories with compound lifts than you do with cardio. You should do low intensity cardio, and not much due to the fact that when you are on a diet with restricted calories your body will tend to go after muscle if you spend too much time in cardio (ever wonder why long distance runners look like holocaust survivors?). I have dropped 2% bodyfat in two weeks.

I measure myself multiple times a day (everyone whines about throwing away your scale, what is important for most people is that you weigh yourself consistently and not concern yourself with fluctuations as they occur naturally) but i think it's not wise to take no measurement. At the very least get a myotape or some sort of tape measure and measure around your stomach. That way you will definitely see progress. Actually if you go to www.t-nation.com and search the forums it will be helpful. They have put to rest many MANY misconceptions I've had about weight training.

Here's a link to the diet, read it all the way through and understand that the reason why most of those restricted calorie diets fail is because people come off them and go "wow i made a buttload of progress, i can eat anything" and then they do. You have to slowly cycle yourself off of this diet.

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=05-009-diet

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=05-025-diet

Good luck.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
You guys are cracking me up talking about running or walking for only 30 minutes to loose weight. I'm no gym rat but 20-30 minutes is just a warm up for me. Typically you'll need to go anaerobic in such a short amount of time to be able to start tapping into your fat stores. If you're are just going to do aerobic exercise, you'll need more than a half an hour to get any results.

What's wrong with 30 minutes?

Does your body run on air for the first 30 minutes? You burn calories from the start and i highly doubt your body works on the "i'll only burn this type of energy plan and then change to another type later on principle." As you said yourself use more energy than you take in.

Sure more fat probably is burned after the first 30 minutes but the first 30 minutes is doing SOMETHING effective.
 

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FDA raises a good point on the cardio aspect...30 minutes, only sparingly, given the high calorie density of most foods consumed, won't contribute ALOT. It's a great workout for elderly people wanting to be 'active', but if you 'consider' it like this...

Most people don't work very active jobs, so their bodies only burn calories equivalent to what they need to live and repair their bodies each day. Historical studies prove that people are burning less calories, and consuming less (not) more calories, but the difference between the calories consumed and those calories burned are growing. 30 minutes of moderate cardio can't do much unless your diet is so tight that you're AT maintenance when you're doing it. So you eat near precise to your maintenance calories, that the 30 minutes of cardio which burns about 100 maybe 150, over the course of a week would help.

However, if you're 200 calories below maintenance BEFORE you ride, then the 100 calories will contribute to 300 calorie deficit, and over 2 weeks, you'd drop a pound or so of fat, not counting any other activity.

Given that it's only 30 minutes of activity, which is 1/48th of ALL available time in the day for activity, it isn't an appreciable enough PERCENT, unless it's SO intense...such as a game of basketball, hockey, weightlifting, etc, that your heartrate goes over the 130+ for our age group. That's the point.

Activity is GOOD, no question about it. But given that we have 24 hours, and if truly only a very small percent is spent DOING ANYTHING that burns MORE than the necessary calories to live, very little progress will be seen. ESPECIALLY if you allow yourself to cheat now and then. If you do 30 minutes of cardio, and weekly lifting, a few cheats days, or a few cheat moments where you down a soda can replace all the calories burned. This is why it's FIRST important to define your goal. Either MUSCLE GAIN or FAT LOSS, build the plan to get there, and ALLOW for EXTRA so that you're achieving success.

If your goal is to gain MUSCLE, trying to be ever so precise with MUSCLE GAIN so you can avoid will make living very tough, you'll have to count every calorie to the number, and still you might not do it. Hence why 500 calories is usually targeted, since 500 x 7 = 3500, and even if you do more or less activity, you'll be on spot to gain 1lb a week, or perhaps LOSE one pound a week.

I'm not here to push any agenda, or say, DO IT LIKE ME, but there are certain logical principles by which the body operates in regulating its own weight. On the other hand, if you're goal is to GAIN muscle, then 30 minutes to 45 minutes, might be all you need at a reasonable rate to push off any extra body fat you would accumulate while adding the 500 calories. Plus, as IA and DC note, it aids recovery ability, it keeps the body loose, it's good for the heart and overall physical fitness, in whatever you choose to do. The body is meant to be used....not just sculpted into something beautiful.

FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION...if more people understood this, people would EASILY build beautiful bodies. Low bodyfat, highly muscular bodies, in men or women are the result of FUNCTIONING, ACTIVE bodies, of people who USE them and who LIVE. They're not the result of people who only lift and sparingly eat protein and other nutrients. Why would it be that athletes have the best bodies and typically avoid injury?



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mrRuckus said:
...Sure more fat probably is burned after the first 30 minutes but the first 30 minutes is doing SOMETHING effective.
Re-read the title of the thread. He wants to loose weight, not get faster, not get stronger, not to bulk up. There's a science to successfully transforming your body. You can't just "do something" when you have specific goals, you'll be doing things which are counterproductive and end up wasting time and energy with sub-par returns.

Basic physiology and sports science has proven that when the body uses bursts of energy it it goes anaerobic and taps into glycogen stores for caloric energy. Fat isn't used until there is a deficiency of immediate stored energy or if the body does sustained aerobic activity. Talk to any pro or semi-pro athlete or sport nutritionist and they will attest to performing specific classes of exercises for specific needs.
 

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...FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION...if more people understood this, people would EASILY build beautiful bodies. Low bodyfat, highly muscular bodies, in men or women are the result of FUNCTIONING, ACTIVE bodies, of people who USE them and who LIVE. They're not the result of people who only lift and sparingly eat protein and other nutrients. Why would it be that athletes have the best bodies and typically avoid injury?
Everything that you said is spot on but this is the most important information that people should understand. The knowledge that pop science gives on exercise and nutrition is for the common man, what is necessary to get some type of effect with minimal effort. Talk to a person who works out to have a truly athletic body and they will tell you that they don't do the typical diet plans. They do things very specific to the objectives that they need to fulfill.
 

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I have a feeling his concern may be to "look good nekkid", hell that's my concern too.

Long distance running, endurance running... invokes your bodies natural adaption, in order to expend less energy it will shed weight, muscle ways more than fat. It also uses a different energy system, aerobic metabolism is low energy output over long time, anerobic metabolism is moderate energy use over a limited amount of time, ATP metabolism is used during roughly 10 seconds of intense exercise.

Bottom line, if you want to burn more calories, make your body have more furnaces, build more muscle and your body will need more calories at a resting state. Unfortunately you wont be building much on a cutting diet, maintaining your muscle is something possible.

Do not do 24/7 cardio, rest and diet are 2 other MORE important things than exercise.

Lift weights, and do HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) should maximize fat loss on top of getting adequate rest (meaning sleep and non-training days) and getting on some sort of clean diet (the one I mentioned earlier has tripled the fat loss of others but as I said before the failure rate is extreme due to the nature of the diet.)
 

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My best way to drop weight is this:

Take a One a Day.
Drink a Gal. of water a Day.
Do cardio before eating.
Shock your system, Stay up all night on your off day.(sleep it off in the day) but it will put your Metabolism in Overdrive.
Calculate your Calories.
Do High Reps with Short Rest time.
Do full body work outs instead of Muscle specific. (withe these I do day on day off, with weekends off)
Do small cardio stuff all day, like park further away than you usually do.
Take stairs instead of elevators.

The important part is to give your body what it needs or it will retain. Water, Vitamins, Protein, Carbohydrates, and Calories.

I take supplements, but that is up to you. One that is good for Shedding water weight and fleshy fat are: HydroxyCut Hardcore (Muscle Tech).

The Real Key is the healthier your body is the more naturally balanced it will become.
 
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