Long post: vacation with 25 yr old foreign chick

[BackInTheGame78]

Have you called out on her actions and told her that her actions disrespect you and that you deserve respect?

Without her respect for you there is no relationship.

You don't automatically get respect you earn respect.

Telling someone you need them to respect you shows you simply don't earn it through your actions and is futile.

If you have to ask a woman to respect you, you can be assured she doesn't. And any modicum of respect she had left for you will be gone after you do.

 

[Pandora]

So me and her just had a convo about this. My best friend called and she asked that he hear out the argument.

We were arguing about her using the bathroom before the 1hr long bus ride. My side was yes it is perfectly valid to ask that your girl use the bathroom before a long drive esp on public transport. Her counter argument was that she didnt feel like she had to go. So that justified her not listening to me.

My best friends on the other line totally broke it down to her that she was being ridiculous. They told her that my job as a man was to plan ahead and that requires her to listen to me at all times.

This sounds like some silly child stuff. The real root of the issue is that women are like children. They do not like being told what to do. They dont even have a good reason for it. This is why back in the day they would get a good ole slap in the freakin face.

Many attractive young women are developmentally stuck in the teenage years. Esp this one. They look neotanous and cute but that neotany often comes with a developmental delay. This is esp true if they had trauma.

This is also how she relates to her father. She is defiant against him and is now defiant against me by proxy.

I am dating a child. I cant keep having these teenage arguments. I have to decide right now if I will put up with this bs or not.

If I next her then the subsequent chick will have her own annoying habits. If women did not have the ability to bear children they would have died off a long time ago. Once the artificial womb is perfected its over for these creatures.

 

[Bigpapa]

Bro you're taking some third-world chick to Morocco, all expenses paid, because you "had some extra money". You can either live that lifestyle or you can't. You don't spend extra cash on things like this. She's a strict Muslim who will now be honour beaten (or killed) because she ran away with a black guy. You don't even know this woman. She is a destitute pen pal that took up your offer of a free holiday. I'm not sure if this is reality, there's too much to unpack, to say you're of sound mind would be a stretch my guy.

for Arabs … black people are a big no no

either way , do not worry too much about the cost of the trip . I spent a lot of time in Morocco and it is not expensive at all

most likely op wanted to do something that looks expensive but actually is cheap

knowing her situation better , OP should have not done what he did . Alpha guys do not hurt women ( directly or indirectly )

also curious how the girl looks like , never really heard of good looking girls doing stuff like this

 

[Pandora]

for Arabs … black people are a big no no

either way , do not worry too much about the cost of the trip . I spent a lot of time in Morocco and it is not expensive at all

most likely op wanted to do something that looks expensive but actually is cheap

knowing her situation better , OP should have not done what he did . Alpha guys do not hurt women ( directly or indirectly )

also curious how the girl looks like , never really heard of good looking girls doing stuff like this

Yeh im not sure why this dude is mentioning my finances. How can he possibly know how much money I have saved up? There are many reasons a guy can have an extra few thousand. Thats not that much money even for an average dude like me. The country is not Morroco but it is a very cheap country i agree.

You are totally correct that being black is a no no for many European Muslims.

Btw what do you mean about me hurting women? I never hurt her or threatened to hurt her brotha. I said her FATHER hurt her and threatened to hurt her.

This girl is hotter than the girls most guys on this forum get. If she came to the USA she would get her ego inflated like crazy. Her picture is on my instagram. I may post it ( maybe).

You never heard of girls doing things like this? Ok but girls with daddy issues do anything. Its not about looks. Ugly girls generally dont have foreign guys simp over them.

 

[devilkingx2]

They say go foreign and it will be better. It is better in some respects but woman are still women. This is a 25 yr old. I am so frustrated. Its like every relationship that I have with young women ends up toxic. I dont know what to do.

It sounds like you took a princess hiking.

If she's the kind of girl that wears heels and designer brands 24/7 then why would you take her out to the middle of nowhere?

It's also not your responsibility to be her father, but don't put yourself in a position where you have to be. (Taking a princess on a trek through the desert, taking a vegan to a place with no English on the menus, etc.)

 

[devilkingx2]

Wanted to learn a new language. They have penpal sites to talk to people trying to learn languages. Met a girl. Had extra money. Flew out to a European muslim country.

I also heard that foreign is the way to go. I had great experiences with foriegn girls in the states when I was in my early 20s. I figured hey it cant be worse than the USA.

Fast forward about 1.5 yrs. We travelled together twice. We kinda got along in short time frames. Shorty is attractive but had many red flags. A lot of daddy issues.

We are in North Africa this trip. I paid for everything. We are spending a week together. Most of the time she is a sweet heart. I can see she really tries to keep her emotions in check. We have fun. But that 20% of the time its insufferable.

Its almost like BPD but not quite that bad..I have had a BPD gf in the past and it isnt that but its close.

Also her Muslim parents are calling her saying they gonna kill her if she goes back home. She basically ran away with me lol. Never been out the country except our two secret vacations.

So i cant break up with her becuause she is literally probably risking her life to run away with me.

Her dad dont play and he is about the honor killing life. Or atleast an honor beating life. When she gets home she will definantely get whooped. So I cant break up with her.

So you're dating a girl who ran away from her family with a guy she knows from the internet, for a free vacation...

...Her desire to be a sugar baby was so strong it overcame a conservative islamic upbringing...

...and now you're complaining about her irrational logic and unreasonable decision making?

She's either 11/10 on the BPD scale or the Hypergamy scale.

 

[Pandora]

So you're dating a girl who ran away from her family with a guy she knows from the internet, for a free vacation...

...Her desire to be a sugar baby was so strong it overcame a conservative islamic upbringing...

...and now you're complaining about her irrational logic and unreasonable decision making?

She's either 11/10 on the BPD scale or the Hypergamy scale.

Maybe or you can look at it this way. Dudes in the manosphere always talk about foreign is the way to go. Well I dated foreign and they are still a pain the azz. When you go foreign you will laregly get these type of chicks. Women are women.

Also EVERY girl is a damn sugar baby. You have to give your resources to even the American ones. A wife is a super sugar baby. A girlfriend is a sugar baby. Whats the difference really? In every relationship you are paying for the majority of things.

My point is that if you are dating millenial or Gen Z you are screwed. The juice isnt worth the squeeze.

I was happy single

 

[Pandora]

So you're dating a girl who ran away from her family with a guy she knows from the internet, for a free vacation...

...Her desire to be a sugar baby was so strong it overcame a conservative islamic upbringing...

...and now you're complaining about her irrational logic and unreasonable decision making?

She's either 11/10 on the BPD scale or the Hypergamy scale.

I went to her country and chilled with her first. This is not our first encounter straight from the internet lol. But you still make a good point. Shorty is not the most rational.

As far as princess goes and designer 24/7 kind of. This was not the dessert. It was a beautiful modern coastal city. We had to drive 1 hr in the dessert to get there.

Yes she is 11/10 on the hypergamy scale. She really does have geniune visceral attraction for me but in the back of her mind I am a super come up.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Pandora]

When I was single I was relatively happy. I was having short term relationships with women. When it got to toxic I left. It was simple.

My desire to have kids made me give relationships a try. Nope, I remember how annoying they are.

With slutty American girls you get one set of issues. With hypergamous foreign girls you get another set of issues. Pick your poison lol.

No one on this site ( except married dudes) can disagree with me that relationships are laregly more pain than pleasure. Most people suck it up for the kids.

Stardusk often says this and I am starting to agree with him. Men and women are not a good fit. They tolerate each other for the sake of reproduction. Funny he just came out with a video on this topic. I have not watched it yet but im sure its fire as usual.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Arabs … black people are a big no no

In France it is a different story, Arab women (especially north africans like Morrocans) love black men

les beurettes à khel

 

[Pandora]

In France it is a different story, Arab women (especially north africans like Morrocans) love black men

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Yeh I agree. I meant the no no is from the parents. The girls dont discriminate in this side of the world. Its a cultural mixing pot.

This girl is European muslim so it makes it tricky with the parents.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Yeh I agree. I meant the no no is from the parents. The girls dont discriminate in this side of the world. Its a cultural mixing pot.

This girl is European muslim so it makes it tricky with the parents.

Save the headache, just go to France and find a North African Muslim girl from Algeria,Tunisia or Morroco. You will have a much better time.

 

[Bigpapa]

Yeh im not sure why this dude is mentioning my finances. How can he possibly know how much money I have saved up? There are many reasons a guy can have an extra few thousand. Thats not that much money even for an average dude like me. The country is not Morroco but it is a very cheap country i agree.

You are totally correct that being black is a no no for many European Muslims.

Btw what do you mean about me hurting women? I never hurt her or threatened to hurt her brotha. I said her FATHER hurt her and threatened to hurt her.

This girl is hotter than the girls most guys on this forum get. If she came to the USA she would get her ego inflated like crazy. Her picture is on my instagram. I may post it ( maybe).

You never heard of girls doing things like this? Ok but girls with daddy issues do anything. Its not about looks. Ugly girls generally dont have foreign guys simp over them.

makes sense the daddy issues that you mentioned , and also makes sense why maybe she wanted to rebel and do exactly what is a big no no

yeah , actually you did not really do anything wrong . If it was not you , it would have been another guy

 

[AttackFormation]

In France it is a different story, Arab women (especially north africans like Morrocans) love black men

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You find 3 internet clips and from them conclude categorically that "arab women and especially north africans love black men"? And you are even australian, never even living in France. These posts are just laughable. It's like reading a forum run by 8 year olds.

 

[Bigpapa]

You find 3 internet clips and from them conclude categorically that "arab women and especially north africans love black men"? And you are even australian, never even living in France. These posts are just laughable. It's like reading a forum run by 8 year olds.

true

north Africans call black people sub saharitans , and even in Morocco the blacker ones tend to be discredited more , mainly because their blood is not Arabic and the ruling class in North Africa is tied to the Arabs for hundreds of years

like most countries in the world , the blacker you are the more people will be racist

That is why usually interracial dating is not a big thing anywhere in the world . Races usually tend to stay together

look at America : Asians stick with Asians mainly , blacks with blacks mainly , white with white mainly

there is some mixing , but far away to say that x race just likes y race

 

[The Duke]

Reading this makes me think entitled American girls with high notch counts and mental issues aren't so bad.

 

[devilkingx2]

You find 3 internet clips and from them conclude categorically that "arab women and especially north africans love black men"? And you are even australian, never even living in France. These posts are just laughable. It's like reading a forum run by 8 year olds.

To be fair, I've experienced north Africans being particularly friendly and open to being picked up when meeting tourists.

 

[Bigpapa]

To be fair, I've experienced north Africans being particularly friendly and open to being picked up when meeting tourists.

women there are big gold diggers , and expect guys to pay for everything

kinda makes sense since in the Arabic culture women almost do not inherit anything from their parents

Also sex with them is very difficult as virginity is still expected in this culture . Maybe some bj or anal sex , but even that is not as easy

 

[EyeBRollin]

She sounds like a real joy to be with.