Long Distance Blues (Long!)

Beckwith

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I can't believe I'm posting on this board again! It's been a few years since I left because I had become involved in a great relationship, due lin arge part to the advice I got here. I hope the advice is as good as it used to be, because my relationship has recently hit a big bump: long distance. I need some outside perspective, so please let me know what you how you think I should handle this situation!

The Background

I have been dating "Lacy" exclusively now for almost two years, and somewhat seriously for about five months before that. At the beginning of my senior in college, we became serious and started dating exclusively. The relationship to this point has been fantastic and I have no complaints. Lacy is a kind, loving, considerate, honest, and fun person. After I graduated, I got a position with a nonprofit in town which I hoped would pad my resume befor applying to law school while also allowing me to continue dating Lacy, since she was a year behind me in school.

The past year has been great, and this spring Lacy graduated from college. Unfortunately, she took a job in a different city. She had lived in our college town her entire life and having gone to university there as well, she was ready to get out! I completely understood her desire, and the job she was offered was an excellent one. Although at the time I considered asking her to stay with me, I was not certain enough of our relationship to do so. I love Lacey to death, but I feel that if I asked her to give up her dream of a job in a different city, I would be suggesting that marriage was in our future. I can see myself with Lacey permanently, but I'm not ready for marriage yet and I wouldn't ask for such a sacrifice from her unless I was.

At anyrate, I was accepted into several lawschools, one of which is in the city she will be working. However, I had also gotten into the law school of our alma matter, which was a slightly better school that was more in line with my career goals (region, placement, etc.). It was a really tough decision, but I knew that staying put and going to law school here was best for my future. We were both really torn up about it, but we knew that each of us had a made the decision that was best for ourselves.

Since Lacey and I still loved each other very much, we wanted to keep dating. However, Lacey had had a bad experience with long distance before, and was understandably hesitant. I was also worried because I feel that I haven't dated enough to be able to give up my freedom to a long distance relationship. We decided that the best solution was to keep dating each other, long distance, but not exclusively. We could date other people, but if either of us got serious or had sex with someone else, then we would end our relationship.

At the time, this seemed the best solution to a crappy situation. Lacey left town in early June, and I am still here finishing up my job with the nonprofit before I start law school in the fall.

The Problem

Although I knew long distance would be tough, I really didn't know until she actually moved away. It's only been a month and I am really missing her! I see cute girls and although I'd like to ask them out, I'm not really motivated. This is good in the sense that it means I'm still in love with Lacey, but bad because I'm not taking advantage of an opportunity!

At anyrate, my current problem is my contact with Lacey. When she first moved, we talked everyday, usually for two hours or so. This was mainly because she had a two week period before she started her job, and had plenty of free time. Since my job is low key and I'm finishing it up, I have plenty time on my hands and am almost always available to talk to her. Two weeks ago, she started her job and we have been talking much less.

She's very busy and works long hours, and since she's in a timezone that's an hour ahead of me, our schedules don't often match. As a result, she is the one who calls me 95% of the time. Despite this, the first week after she started her job, we still talked everyday for about an hour. However, over the last week (and in particular, this past weekend) we have talked much less. Our phone calls lasted about half an hour each night, and this past weekend we probably only talked for about an hour for the whole weekend!

I know this sounds incredibly lame and that I am whipped, but I understand that we are not dating exclusively and thus I have no real claim to her time. It'd be unfair of me to say, "We aren't talking enough; I deserve more". However, that's how I feel! Our conversations have gotten shorter and she almost always calls me at the end of the day, right before she goes to bed, and she's understandably tired from a long day. Yet this makes me feel like she only gives me the scraps of her time. If she can only talk for half an hour, why can't she call me right after work when she is still alert? I don't need to have tons of conversation time, but I hate feeling like I'm keeping her up at night to talk. I want her to get her rest and it makes me feel guilty when she calls me right before she goes to bed, because then I'm keeping her from going to sleep!

The simple fact is, I really lovey Lacy and it's important for me to talk to her. Yet how can I get her to make our conversations more of a priority without sounding needy? Should I ask her to block off a designated chunk of time for me, even if it's only once a week? Should I ignore some of her phone calls and thus make myself less available? Should I simply tell her outright, "If you're going to call me, please don't do it exhausted. I'd rather put off the conversation to a time when you aren't so frazzled". Although that's certainly not how I feel (I love every minute we talk!), maybe playing some hardball would be good?

I don't want to play games with her, but I know being too open comes off as desperate, and if I make her feel guilty or try to control her, it will only drive her away. The real solution is for me to make myself more busy, so I spend less time waiting for her phone calls and also make my time more valuable to her. Lacey is a great girl and I know she still loves me to death, but I also know that my resentment will only hurt this relationship. I'd like to deal with this problem before it gets worse. What can I do?!?

Thanks for reading and I appreciate all advice!
 

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LDRS DO NOT WORK!

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Sounds like you want everything dude. However, in the real world, we never get everything we want. You kinda realized that when you had to choose between staying or following her. You chose to stay and so you must understand the consequences of your actions.

When you chose to stay, it meant that you were effectively telling her that you thought your career was more important than staying with her. She basically told the same thing to you too when she chose to work elsewhere. When you start giving off these sort of signals and later you're behaving like you can't lose the other person, you're basically not behaving in a consistent manner. People dislike others who do not behave consistently, plus it makes them seem as if they do not know what they're doing.

Understand that what you have with your girl right now is heading nowhere. Things may work out the way you would like it to, but it is very likely that it won't. So now you've got to ask yourself whether you want to move on now or you want to move on when things becomes a real mess.

Don't go wasting your time thinking of DJ ways of getting back her interest level or whatever because you are better off using all that on a new girl instead. Plus, personally I feel that using all these tactics on a girl that you've been with for over 2 years is pretty insulting.
 

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Why dont you drive up to see her and have a good weekend together? Just because your living apart from each other doesn't mean you can't go see her.
 

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Dude, you're killing me with this sh!t. 21 and you've been with her for 2 years? So since you were 19? Ouch. You simply should not have a girlfriend until you are 27 anyway.

That said, there is no such thing as a LDR, because you have no relationship. You may conveniently fvck when opportunity permits (such as her being in town) but YOU HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP. You have to break yourself out of this juvenile, highschool way of thinking about 'relatiobnships'. She's seeing other guys, and you ought to be seeing other girls as well and you know this. You know why your conversations are brief, she's got to get back to doing what she wants to.

The truth will set you free, but it doesn't mean it wont hurt, so here goes: She's outgrown you. If she's already finished college, she's done some reevaluations of her life and her behaviors are indicating that her plans don't include you - accept it, move on. At this age young people will go through many maturity changes and individual plans rarely if ever are mutually convenient. I'm sorry if you allowed yourself to get attached emotionally and, yes, you are whipped, but you need to focus on your own ambitions now. God, whatever you do, don't follow her, dont make life decisions that accomodate your ability to be with her. Nothing is more damaging to a man's ambitions and his future success than making the wrong decisions because he thought it would ensure his intimacy with a woman.

I'm speaking from experience here, and brother, I wish my Dad or someone else would've shook the sh!t out of me for thinking in exactly the same way you are now. I didn't earn my first degree until I was 36 because of exactly this same mentality. Those stupid self-sacrificing motives I had in my 20s directly affected my ambitions and goals for my future. Don't let this happen to you. You have a chance to go to law school? Fvcken 'eh! What on planet earth would make you even consider going to anything less than the best college irregardless of where this chick is? Do you not think that you wont have more women crawling up your ass in law school? They'll be taking numbers to get with you (if you play it right). And your sappy emotions are going to tell you "yeah, but there's no girl like Lacy." BVLLSH!T! If it was meant to be she'd be seeking you out exactly like the women will when you get to law school.

You've got ONEitis in the extreme my friend. Lacy is not the ONE because there is no ONE! Stop swallowing this feminized, romantic comedy soulmate myth crap. There are some good Ones and there are some bad Ones, but there is no ONE! So it doesn't work out conveniently with this girl you've been seeing exclusively (your first mistake) for 2 years, so what? You are the PRIZE not her! That's not lost love that's a missed opportunity for her. Focus on your own betterment, go to the best law school you can reasonably afford - hell, go to the best one you can't afford. Go, succeed, win! Count this breakup - which is what it will inevitibly be, depending on your own self-value, sooner or later - count it as a blessing, because it is freeing you to pursue a better you.

Now go break it off with this chick today. Walk away on your fvcken feet on your terms, don't crawl away on your knees on her's. If you man up and do it on your own you will at the very least retain your self-respect in the face of a bad situation. Better that than live with the regret of not being in control your own experience of the break up.
 
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First and beyond anything, why are you talking to a girl for so long and EVERY day like that? Dont you bothget bored stiff? What could you possibly have to say to one another every day for that long? Wow. Save the long convos for when you see each other. Every day phone calls like that should be short and just to see how the other is doing. Talking that much only removes the spark that two people have for one another.

Secondly, I find it very odd that two people that saw each other for that long would just decide to date other people IF they really loved one another. I know in my situation im dating a girl for about 13 months now, and we both have said that if one of us has to move, the other would as well to keep the relationship alive. We have discussed marriage and plan on getting engaged very soon. Why are you dating someone that long and not getting engaged? Seems like a waste of time to me, if you are not happy with one another to get engaged or married after 2 years, i think it would be best to just end things.

YOu need to decide what you really want. If you love this girl and want to spend the rest of your life with her, then get engaged and one of you is going to have to sacrifice and move. If either one fo you dont love the other enough to do that, then end it now. What your doing will only lead you both to a path of destruction.

However, since you are still both so young, marraige probably isnt the best for either one of you. I would say break up, remain friends, and see where you are a few years down the road.
 

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Originally posted by PRMoon
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LDRS DO NOT WORK!

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I totally disagree. I have known many people who have made LDRS work. I'm currently in one myself right now.
 

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Man, you ask a lot of questions about her and her not talking with you long enough and blah blah blah.

Honestly, if you are going to end this relationship (as you have already done), do it properly! Cut contact untill you fall for another girl, or at least until you get over her. This will probably take a year or even more if you really love her!

You should have been more open, moved to her same city and studied if you both really LOVED eachother and were planning on spending the rest of your lives together.

I think you are the one that loves her more at the moment, and therefore, are showing your insecurities as you do when you love someone and are not receiving the same respect, time and love.

You need to either live in the same city, or end the relationship, THE PROPER WAY!! It is going to burn like crazy for a while, and maybe one day, you two can end up together (though I doubt it, there is still a chance). I once knew a couple together for 2 years, they studied in different countries for 5 years, and are now married happily, and been so for the past 5 years.
 

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Originally posted by optimist prime
sacrifice
Basically, that is the word it all comes down to if you really love eachother! Why did you decide to end it? None of you wanted to give the other that power, and both were too insecure to really say what you wanted! I have been there before, and it fukced my relationship up as I have seen it happen with many other friends of mine! You are at a terrible age though, too young and inexperienced to know if its the one girl you want to marry, and at the same time, so in love you dont want to live without the person! Man, sucks to be you right now. But like a real man, you need to decide this one way or the other and take it on the chin!
 

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Originally posted by FrustratedChump
I totally disagree. I have known many people who have made LDRS work. I'm currently in one myself right now.
Yeah you definately made a good choice for a user handle buddy:rolleyes:
 

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Hey guys,

Thanks for all your help. I appreciate you taking time to read my message and offer some advice.

A couple of quick notes:

1) Someone mentioned that I'm 21; I'm actually 23. We started dating when I was 21.

2) We both knew that long distance relationships usually don't work. That's why we were trying to do an "open relationship" instead. Stupid, I know, but isn't that the DJ thing to do? Dating the girl without a commmittment? I'm obviously more wimpy than I believed when I signed up for it (I really do love her!), but I haven't conveyed my desperate feelings over the phone. In otherwords, while I'm a total AFC on this board, in our conversations I've been playing it maturely with her. No games (that's what I'm on this board about; whether or not I should resort to the games i.e. not returning calls, cutting her off, talking about other women); just honest interaction. Hopefully I can condition myself to explore other options without losing my affection for her. Yeah, I know what your thinking: fat chance. You're probably right, but we'll see I guess.

3) I totally respect the comment about "if you've dated her for two years, it's insulting to play games with her". That's why I'm so hesitant to do it, and ultimately, probably will not. We are both very mature and have never really played games with each other. I'm just going through a hard time; that's why I 'm considering it. However, I think we can all agree that even a married DJ must occasionally do small acts to maintain his partners interest. Nothing big, but just small stuff to make sure neither partner takes the other for granted.

4) Some people said that I must not really love her because I would have moved with her, or she would have stayed with me. Well, the fact is, I do love her. I have no doubt about this. The question is: do I love her enough to marry her? That I just don't know. Although I'd like to believe that a person should enter marriage totally in love and with no doubts, isn't that naive? I mean, can a DJ ever really fall in love like that? I feel that by not moving with her, I was following the other advice on this board: don't make a life long decision based on someone unless you are going to be/are married! The school I chose was better for my career, and offered me more money! It was a pretty easy choice in terms of my long term success.

I'd also like to note that I come from a divorced family, and I think in a lot of ways that has me scared about marriage. I definitely want to get married, yet I wonder if I can ever be "certain" about the decision to do so. I'm so scared of ruining someone's life, including mine, and any future children's. I desperately want to be able to fall in love like that, but I think I'm just too scared about the prospect of failure.

As for her affection for me, I can only speculate. However, I feel I can confidently say that this girl was mad about me before we moved apart. Loving, affectionate, frequently jealous (although never in a harmful way), and always emotional about our future. A month before I made my decision on law school, she sheeplishly said that she had even imagined having my babies! (Red flag, I know, but this girl is liberal, independent, and a birth control nazi, so I wasn't worried. However, it does demonstrate just how much she loves me). So what I'm saying is that I'm certain as I could be that this girl desperately loved me before we seperated.

What about her taking a job in a different city? Well, the fact is that she had two good offers with deadlines by January of this year. I didn't get my law school acceptances until March, with scholarships later, and final decision due by May! So basically, she had to make her decision not knowing where I would be. As a result, I had to make the decision about whether we would be in the same city, because my decision (which law school to go to) came later. Could she have turned down both offers and waited for me? Yes, I suppose she could have, and she has mentioned that recently in regret. However, graduating without a job from college is scary, especially when you're loaded with debt. She had to make her decision, and ultimately she chose a city where there was a good chance I might be going to law school.

As for her feelings now? She still writes me emails, says I love you all the time, talks about missing me, mentions other guys hitting on her and how she hates it and turns them down (I wonder if she does this to make me jealous?), and talks about me having her heart. All the words are there, but the phone calls are getting less frequent, and I realize that actions often speak louder than words. Sure her job is just starting (with long hours), she's in a new city making new friends, and she has a lot on her plate. But is that an excuse? I don't know, but I know what you'll say! NOPE

5) I really liked the comment about phone conversations killing spark. I think that's true, and it gives me hope. Less talk time might be good for that reason. However, I think that "phones killing a spark" is more relevant early in a relationship, particularly on the first few dates. When you have been dating for years, and already have a connection, it's important to maintain that connection however possible. Thus I also tend to think that less phone time means our connection will weaken.


Well, thanks again for all your advice! I guess what I want to know is HOW I SHOULD BEHAVE IF I WANT TO KEEP HER INTERESTED. I know most of you say cut and run, and I respect that. There's a good chance you're right. But that's not the question I'm asking now. What I want to know is, what's the best way to make this work? I'm biting the bullet for now. Yeah, I know you'll say I'm throwing my best years away and that I should dump her, but the fact is I'm going to be in law school for the next three years, not college, and law school is a living hell. Tons of studying, little to no social existence. I'm not really sacrificing alot here if I try to keep things going. I still have the option to date others if I really want to, I'm not missing out on tons of partys or hookups, and my long term plans are safe because of my school choice. What do I really have to lose except a relationship that has made me a much better man?

So again I ask, what's the best thing I can do to keep our connection alive? Please help!

Thank you so much guys, I really appreciate your help, pity, and even scorn. Just typing about it makes me feel better!
 
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