LGBT Ed. now starts in Grade 2 in Ontario schools

[Jaylan]

Jaylan, serious question, would you be happy if your kids turned out to be gays and lesbos or tried to become trannies?

As long as they were law abiding and productive members of society I would be proud of my children, if I have any. Their sexual orientation would make not one difference in how I would feel about them. Straight or not, if I have good kids I would be happy.

And I definitely wouldnt behave in a way that pushes many LGBT youngsters to be depressed and/or commit suicide. Depression rates and suicide rates are higher for those youngsters when compared to hetero kids...and most of the time its because of a lack of acceptance from peers and family.

Id always want my kids to know that who they are doesnt make me unhappy or love them less, unless they are breaking the law and being bad people. The one place kids should always know they can find love and happiness is from family, especially their parents.

Now, would the transexual thing be a little tougher to deal with than them being gay or lesbian? Ill admit that yes it would. But I would still deal with it and treat my kids well.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Originally Posted by LiveFreeX
Jaylan, serious question, would you be happy if your kids turned out to be gays and lesbos or tried to become trannies?

As long as they were law abiding and productive members of society I would be proud of my children, if I have any. Their sexual orientation would make not one difference in how I would feel about them. Straight or not, if I have good kids I would be happy.

And I definitely wouldnt behave in a way that pushes many LGBT youngsters to be depressed and/or commit suicide. Depression rates and suicide rates are higher for those youngsters when compared to hetero kids...and most of the time its because of a lack of acceptance from peers and family.

Id always want my kids to know that who they are doesnt make me unhappy or love them less, unless they are breaking the law and being bad people. The one place kids should always know they can find love and happiness is from family, especially their parents.

Case in point. Jaylan were you at one time in your life a gay or lesbian? You must have your name set to some sort of alarm on your computer because I just posted that and your reply came in 36 minutes. Please riddle me this, how do you know exactly when someone poses you a question or a LGBT thread pops up? You are always the first to respond and it seems within under an hour.

I don't know of MAN in the manosphere who is not appalled by this new legislation or would defend gay and lesbian rights. This is something designed to corrupt children which leads me to believe that you are not a man at all and if you are then you have some sort of stake in LGBT rights and feminist doctrine.

 

[Jaylan]

Case in point. Jaylan were you at one time in your life a gay or lesbian?

Wait a minute? So a heterosexual cannot accept someone who isnt heterosexual? A heterosexual must be unhappy or upset if their children end up gay, lesbian, or whatever else?

So basically youre saying that intolerance is the only way I can have random internet people not question my sexuality?

Youre a riot bro. I love puzzy as much as the next guy, but I dont give a damn about someone elses orientation. Its not my life...and I wont make my friends or family members feel like crap by not accepting them because of who they happen to be attracted to.

You must have your name set to some sort of alarm on your computer because I just posted that and your reply came in 36 minutes. Please riddle me this, how do you know exactly when someone poses you a question or a LGBT thread pops up? You are always the first to respond and it seems within under an hour

Its the damn evening bro, and I spend time reading forums in the evening. I always read the top threads in the AE forum.

You care too much right now bro.

I don't know of even 1 sane individual in the manosphere who would defend gay and lesbian rights some vehemently which leads me to believe that you are not a man at all.

The manosphere is not monolithic. Neither do all men on pickup forums share the same cultural or political beliefs. Get that through your head.

Heck, and have you even done meetups with a pickup group before? I have, and it wasnt filled with dudes who were all the same, and all thought the same. Then again, Im in the NYC metro area...so Im used to meeting different kinds of people and being OK with that.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Do I? That last post was in under 5 minutes. How are you doing this? I hadn't even finished editing my first post above when your answer came in.

You have some damage their Jaylan, do me a favor cause now I'm curious. Write about your upbringing and parents. I would like to know where you get your belief system from and learned these behaviors? Did your parents instill this in you? What do your mother and father think about what you believe?

The manosphere is not monolithic. Neither do all men on pickup forums share the same cultural or political beliefs. Get that through your head.

Heck, and have you even done meetups with a pickup group before? I have, and it wasnt filled with dudes who were all the same, and all thought the same. Then again, Im in the NYC metro area...so Im used to meeting different kinds of people and being OK with that.

No but there are whole NATIONS of the world that do not believe in gay and lesbian doctrine. China and Russia being two of the most powerful. Mere mention of LGBT here would get you locked up. Funny they also have a positive birth rate and are very comfortable places for MEN to live. There are no sh1t tests to pass with the women here and most remain virgins until marriage. They have very few feminists and their women still respect the men. LGBT is a new religion (two spirited?) that leftists are trying to peddle on the masses to destabilize society and the family unit. China is well aware of this and is already limiting western education in their school systems. Feminists and LGBT don't produce functioning offspring and that's bad for the economy. A puszy is just something connected to a greater system of reproduction so is pickup for that matter. Everyone knows if you aren't capable of reproducing you aren't really valuable to society as a whole. You guys go on and on about betas and losers that can't get any (repo-rights) yet you actively support people who REJECT your 'pickup' beliefs and are doing their best to convert your children.

 

[Jaylan]

Do I? That last post was in under 5 minutes. How are you doing this? I hadn't even finished editing my first post above when your answer came in.

Im already logged in for the evening. I noticed you addressed me, and then you made a reply 4 minutes after one of my previous replies. Thus we are engaged in a conversation and I use the refresh button every several minutes or so when I am done reading other tabs I have open.

You have some damage their Jaylan, do me a favor cause now I'm curious. Write about your upbringing and parents. I would like to know where you get your belief system from and learned these behaviors? Did your parents instill this in you? What do your mother and father think about what you believe?

Damage? Riiiight. Because a straight male is accepting of people with differing lifestyles. Lol ok.

Ill give you the rundown you asked for. I grew up in the largest city in our nation, and am used to have friends of diverse ethnicities, religions, and sexual orientations. None of our differences made us unable to be friends, and they were fun kids growing up just like any other American youngsters.

My parents are both educated, successful, straight and very religious, but accepting of those with different cultures and lifestyles. My mom is moreso accepting of different people than my dad, but my dad does what he can to accept what he doesnt understand. We actually have a couple of people in our family who are comfortably "out of the closet", but actually those members of the family dont get involved in the LGBT community. That is to say they dont go out of their way to go to LGBT events, or really get to involved politically in things...they simply live their life openly and positively like any other American.

Same goes for my friends of different ethnic and religious backgrounds. They are just like everyone else I know, good people trying to live life well and make a living. So because of all that, I dont jump to stereotype people nor do I rush to distance myself from someone without getting to know them as a person.

No but there are whole NATIONS of the world that do not believe in gay and lesbian doctrine. China and Russia being two of the most powerful. Mere mention of LGBT here would get you locked up. Funny they also have a positive birth rate and are very comfortable places for MEN to live. There are no sh1t tests to pass with the women here and most remain virgins until marriage.

Then you can live in those oppressive nations if you want, and deal with communism and less freedom. Aside from the LGBT stuff, Russia and China stifle freedom of other citizens in plenty of ways.

They can do as they wish. I live in America, and here people should have freedom and equality. And personally, I wont really b!tch too much about the women here. They can be a pain in the ass at times, but its all about screening.

Im seeing a good woman right now, and we get along well and have really good sex. So no complaints for now.

They have very few feminists and their women still respect the men. LGBT is a new religion (two spirited?) that leftists are trying to peddle on the masses to destabilize society and the family unit. China is well aware of this and is already limiting western education in their school systems. Feminists and LGBT don't produce functioning offspring and that's bad for the economy.

Whatever you wanna believe buddy. Ive met and know some people well enough to see that what youre preaching is false. There's all kinds of people and all kinds of crap that produces screwed up kids and bad economies. Its ignorance to simply lay blame for bad kids and bad economies all on the feet of feminism and LGBT folks.

That shows a clear cut case of bias. But its typical and expected. When people dont like how things are looking around them, many look to blame people they perceive as "other".

A puszy is just something connected to a greater system of reproduction so is pickup for that matter. Everyone knows if you aren't capable of reproducing you aren't really valuable to society as a whole. You guys go on and on about betas and losers that can't get any (repo-rights) yet you actively support people who REJECT your 'pickup' beliefs and are doing their best to convert your children.

???

Plenty of men in the manosphere dont want kids. They are not reproducing. Some even have surgery to make sure they will never reproduce. So now youre telling me an alpha tier male with power, yet decides not to marry of have kids, isnt valuable to society?

Id say depending on that mans clout and influence, he'd be damn smart not to knock up some chick and get married. If he doesnt have kids, he will still have family and friends he can leave his fortune and power to.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Ill give you the rundown you asked for. I grew up in the largest city in our nation, and am used to have friends of diverse ethnicities, religions, and sexual orientations. None of our differences made us unable to be friends, and they were fun kids growing up just like any other American youngsters.

My parents are both educated, successful, straight and very religious, but accepting of those with different cultures and lifestyles. My mom is moreso accepting of different people than my dad, but my dad does what he can to accept what he doesnt understand. We actually have a couple of people in our family who are comfortably "out of the closet", but actually those members of the family dont get involved in the LGBT community. That is to say they dont go out of their way to go to LGBT events, or really get to involved politically in things...they simply live their life openly and positively like any other American.

Same goes for my friends of different ethnic and religious backgrounds. They are just like everyone else I know, good people trying to live life well and make a living. So because of all that, I dont jump to stereotype people nor do I rush to distance myself from someone without getting to know them as a person.

Thank you, that explains a lot of your posts. I'm sure most of the forum would be interested in your biography. If you would be so kind as to post an entire thread on your life, I would bet you'd have 99% of the forum following. Not a joke. I think we'd all be interested in seeing the man behind the posts. As you are a lefty, there is 0 danger in you exposing yourself on the internet, infact you'll probably have the entire LGBT community and most of Toronto giving you a slow clap.

 

[Jaylan]

Thank you, that explains a lot of your posts. I'm sure most of the forum would be interested in your biography. If you would be so kind as to post an entire thread on your life, I would bet you'd have 99% of the forum following. Not a joke. I think we'd all be interested in seeing the man behind the posts. As you are a lefty, there is 0 danger in you exposing yourself on the internet, infact you'll probably have the entire LGBT community and most of Toronto giving you a slow clap.

Lol, I have to keep some semblance of privacy on the net. While you say being liberal will save me from public scorn, such isnt true.

Because while many of my views lean left, not all of them do. And I have even had women on loveshack in the past accuse me of being a woman hater. Also, I actually had a friend from college stop talking to me a few years ago because she didnt like my casual dating life or how I sometimes spoke of women. I never said things over-the-top either, at least not in my opinion. She was just religious, sexually conservative, and a feminist to boot lol.

And actually, the general tone found on certain parts of the Sosuave forum is what would concern me the most. I could imagine someone finding out I post here, and instead of reading the content of my posts, I could see them jumping to wild conclusions about my beliefs.

So normally I simply say things to people in person, or on my social media accounts, rather than have my persona attached to topical forums.

 

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^ Gaylan's playbook: A barrage of cult-Marx buzzwords (sexual dieversity, dieverse ethnicities, accepting, eqwaaaaality) and then the attempt to entice the feeelz. Increase the deep concern trolling for the plight of LGBTWTFBBQ community. *Repeat ad nauseam as needed*

End of the day, when you strip the leftoid lingo BS it's always the same formula without fail for the average anti-white , anti-Western sh!tlib. Always support whichever ideology/narrative is presented that is the most detrimental to the host population whether short or long term. That is the unspoken prime directive and you can set your watch to it. Pattern recognition never lies.

 

[Chamber36]

Fact is, there is no scientific consensus on why, how or when people turn gay.

Therefore people should not be taught a specific ideology on how to perceive gays.

As children will inevitably be confronted with gay people in life, the only thing that needs to be said by schools is this: "sometimes men fall in love with men, and sometimes women fall in love with women". Any child who is free from indoctrination will sense what is natural and what is not natural.

They focus in schools on convincing the children that it is normal while there is no conclusive scientific evidence supporting this.

Apparently in Kyrgyzstan they had never even heard of the concept of homosexuality until it was introduced by the west.

Look here: skip to 6:00

 

[amoka]

Jaylan, serious question, would you be happy if your kids turned out to be gays and lesbos or tried to become trannies?

I hope you are not suggesting by discussing LGBT issues with kids will make them become one.

 

[amoka]

Apparently in Kyrgyzstan they had never even heard of the concept of homosexuality until it was introduced by the west.

The fact that they "never even heard of the concept" doesn't mean it never existed or practiced. As recently as 2007, the infamous Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claimed Iran "never have [any] homosexuals." I hope that you do not believe that assessment of his.

 

[Mike32ct]

I think they are too young for that stuff at that age.

I didn't even know I liked girls in 2nd grade. How in the hell would kids that age be supposed to understand that someone is born a boy but really wants to be a girl?

You're going the confuse the kids with all the possible ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ community scenarios.

I'm more worried about confusing them than "converting" them.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Fact is, there is no scientific consensus on why, how or when people turn gay.

Therefore people should not be taught a specific ideology on how to perceive gays.

Or moral or social consensus. Even adults or college students let alone young children should not be subjected to a one-side indoctrination.

As children will inevitably be confronted with gay people in life, the only thing that needs to be said by schools is this: "sometimes men fall in love with men, and sometimes women fall in love with women". Any child who is free from indoctrination will sense what is natural and what is not natural.

They focus in schools on convincing the children that it is normal while there is no conclusive scientific evidence supporting this.

That's what liberals do, usurp parenting rights and indoctrinate the impressionable youth before they have the ability and life experience to decide things for themselves. And anyone wonders why we have so many libtards running around.

Take Jaylan, he has us to believe he is a black heterosexual male raised by two religious possibly even moderate parents. If that's really the case, he's certainly an anomaly, and demonstrates how much indoctrination public education does. I don't believe him though. If he even is a straight male, he probably has a white kooky mother he was raised by, a la Obama, or something is up.

 

[Jaylan]

^What does public education have to do with anything? I just told you that I grew up in a large metropolis around people of different background and lifestyles. We all got along hence why I understand different kinds of people and dont rush to stereotype or bash folks for who they are.

Theres nothing anomalous about me. People who grow up in diverse neighborhoods and cities, tend to be very accepting of those different from them. They have experience with different cultures, hence dont get bent out of shape when they encounter different people.

Thats a large part of why one political party in the country is diverse and representative of the nation's growing demographics, while the other is homogenous and representative of the shrinking demographic.

Large cities end up blue for a reason. And those millions of Americans are hardly an anomaly.

I hope you are not suggesting by discussing LGBT issues with kids will make them become one.

This is what it all boils down to. Men who have very little understanding of sexual orientation, who believe their kids will end up gay if they are exposed to the reality that gay people exist.

Its like idiots who deny that some people are naturally gay. Heck, there was a teenager who not long ago committed suicide because his family wouldnt accept that he identified as a she. This kid knew from a very young age that he didnt feel like a boy

So if this kid grew up in a conservative religious household, in an area that isnt "gay", how would anyone explain how that kid grew up the way he did? Seems like he naturally was what he was meant to be.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-parents-walking-tractor-trailer-highway.html

Conversion therapy along with those parents denial and poor treatment of their child led to suicide. And I personally see conversion therapy as mental child abuse.

PS - I simply use "he" in order to avoid confusion during discussion when referring to this particular teen, despite him identifying as a she.

 

[Jaylan]

Jaylan,

Do you think 6 is too young to learn about sex and "consent"?

What about being 8 years old to learn about 6 "genders"?

In today's world with the sh!t kids can easily see online and on tv on even the most basic of channels...so in my head theres a possibility that its not too young. Kids may need to know this crap especially if they ever deal with bad people or touchy kids (esp older kids)

We teach kids about stranger danger, and good-touch vs bad-touch. And kids like to sometimes "play doctor". Heck, there was even an issue at my school when I was younger because one of the older kids was getting touchy with a younger kid. So when sh!t like that is going down in elementary schools, kids may need some educating, cus clearly not all parents are doing it.

 

[speed dawg]

We teach kids about stranger danger, and good-touch vs bad-touch. And kids like to sometimes "play doctor". Heck, there was even an issue at my school when I was younger because one of the older kids was getting touchy with a younger kid. So when sh!t like that is going down in elementary schools, kids may need some educating, cus clearly not all parents are doing it.

Damn, Gaylan actually brought a good thought to the table. Problem is, they apply the same 'educating' across the board. It's not the educating that bothers anyone, it's the agenda. Facts are good. But kids don't need to hear the agenda, which is to push advantages to self-proclaimed disadvantaged groups.

And just think.....if the FAMILY structure was not being demolished and more kids were growing up in healthy male/female households, how many of these problems would simply GO AWAY?

See, that's the problem all you liberal foot soldiers don't get Gaylan - YOU might be trying to go for the greater good of society. YOU might really be an idealist. I won't comment on whether I think that's good or bad (I still think you hate white people). But you don't seem to understand that the people who control the liberal agenda/Democratic party.....DO NOT WANT what's best for society, unless they are able to keep their power. Since they are incompetent leaders, they can't keep their power without a divide/conquer attitude. Brainwashing children is part of that game. While their plan may be succeeding, that doesn't make it right, and it definitely does not make them good leaders.

So bottom line, I don't think the schools are qualified to be teaching this stuff. It's the family unit that needs work. The cycle continues.

 

[amoka]

At what age should religion or concepts of god be discussed with children?

 

[Stagger Lee]

At what age should religion or concepts of god be discussed with children?

Is it ever or should it be discussed in public schools? That's a parenting and church decision. If you're implying parents 'indoctrinate' their children with their values and beliefs, that's their right and responsibility, not the tax payer funded liberal government run education department.

 

[amoka]

Is it ever or should it be discussed in public schools? That's a parenting and church decision. If you're implying parents 'indoctrinate' their children with their values and beliefs, that's their right and responsibility, not the tax payer funded liberal government run education department.

I now understand your concern. It is not WHAT children learn or WHEN they learn but rather, WHERE they learn. If that's your position, I have no further comments. By the way, I believe social issues that concern the general public must be taught in schools--whether public or private.

 

[LiveFreeX]

This is what it all boils down to. Men who have very little understanding of sexual orientation, who believe their kids will end up gay if they are exposed to the reality that gay people exist.

The Iphone is a piece of sh1t, its flashy, hip and everyone has got one. Show the Iphone off, make it popular and a little bit expensive and suddenly everyone wants one. Marketing made this thing popular and marketing is making LGBT popular. You will agree with me here Jaylan as it sounds like your gay friends are trying to remain 'low key' as well.. I have a gay friend who is also extremely low key and he puts the problem squarely on militant lesbians like the one that is currently in control of Ontario. Half of these hair brained schemes are started by pissed off lesbians and feminists who usually include gays as an after thought to advance their platform. This is not meant to change children into gays its meant to create new defenders like yourself who will let big guv into your life under the guise of 'freedom'.

A parents group rallied outside of queens park to protest this recently and their leader was labeled a HOMOPHOBE by the premier because he didn't agree with her sentiment..

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/onta...sparks-debate-rally-at-queen-s-park-1.2251168

Ontario's revised sex ed curriculum sparks debate, rally at Queen's Park
CTV Toronto: Duelling protests erupt

One day after the province unveiled details about his new sex ed curriculum, parents protested at Queen’s Park. Naomi Parness reports.
CTV Kitchener: Protesting sex ed curriculum

Parents and politicians teamed up to voice opposition to Ontario's new sex ed curriculum at Queen's Park. Rosie Del Campo has details.
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The new Ontario sex ed curriculum focusing on consent is being supported by Rehtaeh Parsons' mother, Dana Levenson explains.
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Allison Jones and Keith Leslie, The Canadian Press
Published Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:25PM EST
Last Updated Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:53PM EST
TORONTO -- Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne strongly defended the province's revised sex-education curriculum Tuesday as she faced Opposition criticism that was branded as "homophobic."
Wynne, who is openly gay, took issue with a comment from Progressive Conservative Monte McNaughton, who has frequently criticized the premier's "sex-ed agenda."
"It's not the premier of Ontario's job, especially Kathleen Wynne, to tell parents what's age-appropriate for their children," McNaughton said Monday following the release of the new document.
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A sign is held up by those protesting Ontario's new sex ed curriculum in Toronto on Tuesday, Feb. 24, 2015. (Naomi Parness / CTV Toronto)
Wynne demanded that McNaughton explain why he feels she is not qualified to set education policy.

"Is it that I'm a woman? Is it that I'm a mother? Is it that I have a master's of education? Is it that I was a school council chair? Is it that I was the minister of education?" Wynne said Tuesday in the legislature.
Education Minister Liz Sandals said after question period that McNaughton has made remarks "that are quite homophobic."
McNaughton said Wynne's suggestion that he's homophobic is "the lowest thing a premier of Ontario could say about any other legislator."

"When I started back in November questioning the premier on this I was very clear that this is about public consultation, talking to parents across the province, and for this premier to stoop this low is absolutely a shame and absolutely ridiculous," he said after question period.
Sandals, in question period, suggested McNaughton wouldn't just "opt out" of sex-ed, but also teaching evolution if he were premier, to which Progressive Conservative Rick Nicholls shouted, "That's not a bad idea."
Meanwhile, outside the legislature a few hundred people protested the sex-ed curriculum, with some saying parents were not consulted enough, many complaining about masturbation being mentioned in the Grade 6 curriculum, while a few espoused more extreme viewpoints.
Speakers at the rally included McNaughton and fellow PC leadership contender MP Patrick Brown.
"Teachers should teach facts about sex education, not values," Brown said. "Parents teach values."
A spokesman for the third remaining candidate in the race, MPP Christine Elliott, said minutes before the rally began that she was due to speak, but Elliott did not end up attending. Her spokesman said "there was a change in plans as Christine had legislative duties to attend to." She released a statement saying parents were "shut out" of the curriculum consultation.
Progressive Conservative Interim Leader Jim Wilson said any members attending the rally were doing so independently, as part of their leadership bids.
Other speakers at the rally included members of the anti-abortion group Campaign Life Coalition, the Catholic group Parents As First Educators and several parents. Claudia Rulli, a mother of two, said the curriculum "pushes sex" and called for it to be scrapped entirely.
"In protecting my children, premier, you do not have my consent to teach my children about masturbation, oral and anal sex, and you do not have my consent to teach them about gender identity theory," she said. "Our message to this government, who wants to manipulate our children into a distorted way of thinking is: Not on our watch."
The anti-sexED protest grows in size and decibels. Loud chants can be heard thru QPark windows #onpoli pic.twitter.com/S6NqULhuiG
— Paul Bliss (@blissblogs) February 24, 2015
The curriculum -- last updated in 1998 -- brings Ontario in line with other provinces, Sandals said.
By Grade 3, students will learn about same-sex relationships. Children in Grades 4 and up will learn more about the dangers of online bullying, while the dangers of sexting will come in Grade 7. Lessons about puberty will move from Grade 5 to Grade 4, while masturbation and "gender expression" are mentioned in the Grade 6 curriculum.
Vincent Chan, a father of two, said teaching kids proper names for body parts in Grade 1 is good, but some of the lessons, such as masturbation, come too young.
"I believe that teaching them sex education is important, but teaching them at such a young age is not appropriate," he said.
Masturbation is included as a "teacher prompt" in the section of Grade 6 curriculum discussing changes that occur during adolescence.
"Exploring one's body by touching or masturbating is something that many people do and find pleasurable," the teacher prompt says.

Rateh Parsons being included in this with her case of False Rape/Rape Hysteria. This is not meant to benefit anyone but Lesbians, women and feminists.