Let's Be Real Here Pt.2 - WOMEN are the prize

[AureliusMaximus]

Hi guys.


One of the things that I never understood and baffled me in the red pill is that you (the man) are the prize. And the women should compete for you. That might be true if you are a tall multi-millionaire, but for the ordinary guy, or even the above average guy this is not the case.

How do I know this? I am slightly above average height, 2-3x the national median income for my country, ok physique. Good to have, but those things aren't exactly conversation starters and cannot get the girls.

I have seen many threads about guys that embraced self improvement, and their disappointment that it did not get them a small tribe of women to compete for them. Self improvement is great, but you should do it for yourself.

In this post I have outlined a simple logic that the average female in her 30/40s+ can literally pick from the 1% of interested in her males. So sitting on your arse after watching a few red pill podcasts and thinking "I am the prize" won't help. You have two options - either become a 99%+ male or pick a female for which you are the 99% percenter.

High value men which 90% of all women are competing for these days only represent 10% to the -->1% of the population (Counted on hard factors as income, top job professions, education and fitness/health etc.), and on top that the rest 90% of men are invisible to women so by that definition; yes men are indeed the price as these men have loads of options and are a rarity in society.

So for the rest of you the mob e.g. the average guy their access to women are limited and from their limited perspective the women might be/are the price in their limited belief system as they will put her on the pedestal and ironically women women will hate them for it. Obviously this is incorrect thinking and beliefs.

There is plenty of women out there, (In that pool high quality women are also rare of course that have the qualities that we men seek in a woman), but they will all seek to "win" the 10 percenters and thus men will always be the price. Not reverse.

 

[Bingo-Player]

The funny thing about prizes is that if you give out too many of them they start to lose their allure

The biggest secret women don't want men recognising Is the fact female beauty is so common and available

its really not much of a challenge to be an attractive female , go to any bar in the world on a Saturday night and you'll see tons of them

Dig a little deeper into the illusion and you start to see a lot of them look the same

Slim blondes / brunettes / red heads

Tight dresses to accentuate curves , makeup , high heels , a lot will have bum implants or breast implants or padding to make them assets look bigger

In an era of sexual liberation For a lot of men it really boils down to which one is going to put out the fastest and women are smart enough to use this too their advantage

Just as long as they keep the Pu$$y in short supply they can effectively manipulate the entire dating market , they can date well beyond their economic status , they can be very picky and they can do things like ghosting without any worry about consequence

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All of this changes when a woman comes across a man who's different , a man who isn't phased by her beauty her charms or her seduction , a man. that knows his own worth , a man that will tell her NO

This man is the prize he's in short supply and if he markets himself properly he will have a que of women wanting to date him and another que wanting to sleep with him

 

[Gamisch]

The funny thing about prizes is that if you give out too many of them they start to lose their allure

The biggest secret women don't want men recognising Is the fact female beauty is so common and available

its really not much of a challenge to be an attractive female , go to any bar in the world on a Saturday night and you'll see tons of them

Dig a little deeper into the illusion and you start to see a lot of them look the same

Slim blondes / brunettes / red heads

Tight dresses to accentuate curves , makeup , high heels , a lot will have bum implants or breast implants or padding to make them assets look bigger

In an era of sexual liberation For a lot of men it really boils down to which one is going to put out the fastest and women are smart enough to use this too their advantage

Just as long as they keep the Pu$$y in short supply they can effectively manipulate the entire dating market , they can date well beyond their economic status , they can be very picky and they can do things like ghosting without any worry about consequence

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All of this changes when a woman comes across a man who's different , a man who isn't phased by her beauty her charms or her seduction , a man. that knows his own worth , a man that will tell her NO

This man is the prize he's in short supply and if he markets himself properly he will have a que of women wanting to date him and another que wanting to sleep with him

Great observations, you're on a roll lately.

We as men are so fixated on looks that even trannies are now winning modeling contests. Thats connected to the fact a man has the ability to even feck a plastic doll IF it resembles a woman.

As you say, hips,lips, t1ts, azz is all men need to get off. From that pov it makes sense women are so insecure and in competition constantly. Because it's difficult to distinguish oneself, while they can simultaneously ride the wave of whatever look is trending. A double edged sword.

Female beauty is easily fabricated. So easy that a ugly man can become a pretty woman. That cheapens the price of beauty.

 

[Gamisch]

Hi guys.


One of the things that I never understood and baffled me in the red pill is that you (the man) are the prize. And the women should compete for you. That might be true if you are a tall multi-millionaire, but for the ordinary guy, or even the above average guy this is not the case.

How do I know this? I am slightly above average height, 2-3x the national median income for my country, ok physique. Good to have, but those things aren't exactly conversation starters and cannot get the girls.

I have seen many threads about guys that embraced self improvement, and their disappointment that it did not get them a small tribe of women to compete for them. Self improvement is great, but you should do it for yourself.

In this post I have outlined a simple logic that the average female in her 30/40s+ can literally pick from the 1% of interested in her males. So sitting on your arse after watching a few red pill podcasts and thinking "I am the prize" won't help. You have two options - either become a 99%+ male or pick a female for which you are the 99% percenter.

Defeatist mindset.

The stats are the same for both genders. Eventually that woman we all want( low bodycount,hb7,5+, loyal, smart, educated, well read, well spoken, representative, aligned politically, healthy, good mother, financial responsible, clean ) is ALSO 1 % . The "other 99%" is trash or at best incompatible.

By claiming women are the prize in your life they're put on a pedestalby default. And that makes sense; there are tons of men who'd be like, if I meet a " sweet girl " I'll shower her with love! Hence why women get away with so much. There'll always be a sucker around the corner who doesn't understand the cheapness of female beauty, let along the pitfalls of female nature.

If you as a man aint feeling like you're the prize it means you got work to do. Let me ask you this; if you AINT the prize then what is it you got to offer??

 

[Bingo-Player]

Great observations, you're on a roll lately.

We as men are so fixated on looks that even trannies are now winning modeling contests. Thats connected to the fact a man has the ability to even feck a plastic doll IF it resembles a woman.

As you say, hips,lips, t1ts, azz is all men need to get off. From that pov it makes sense women are so insecure and in competition constantly. Because it's difficult to distinguish oneself, while they can simultaneously ride the wave of whatever look is trending. A double edged sword.

Female beauty is easily fabricated. So easy that a ugly man can become a pretty woman. That cheapens the price of beauty.

Agreed I hadn't covered the angle I highlighted in red but its a very interesting analogy

Ive met a lot of women who really don't have any identity , their identity is actually just pop culture, reality TV or whatever trend is running on TikTok / instagram

I think as a man you can very quickly strip a woman of her power by simply appearing to be not sexually interested in her

I've done it with girls in the past and I swear they can sense it so quickly

Then the hamster usually starts going mental

 

[Gamisch]

Agreed I hadn't covered the angle I highlighted in red but its a very interesting analogy

Ive met a lot of women who really don't have any identity , their identity is actually just pop culture, reality TV or whatever trend is running on TikTok / instagram

I think as a man you can very quickly strip a woman of her power by simply appearing to be not sexually interested in her

I've done it with girls in the past and I swear they can sense it so quickly

Then the hamster usually starts going mental

Wanna tag @kavi for this one.

Interestingly this is something I've heard a pimp say recently. A real pimp who has hookers working for him that is.

He said he'll visit a woman and do nothing. Just sit ACROSS her( not next to her!!) and vibe with her. Not too long, and gone. His philosophy obviously was indeed to take away her power completely.

The main reason this worked for him was because he had the TRUE ABUNDANCE mindset. No thirst. Eventually the woman in case will go through all kinds of mental gymnastics and she'll be BEGGING him tk suck his D or whatever.

That mindset is so far removed and different from lets say "my own" way of operating. I've rather operated from a thirsty/gratefull pov. Or desperate may be the word .

 

[BoostedArrow]

There are three genders: Women, low-value men and high-value men. (alphas if you will)

 

[SW15]

There are three genders: Women, low-value men and high-value men. (alphas if you will)

Those aren't genders, those are groupings/strata.

There's been an idea put forth that the hierarchy of those groupings would be:

1. High value men (alphas)
2. Women
3. All other men

High value men which 90% of all women are competing for these days only represent 10% to the -->1% of the population (Counted on hard factors as income, top job professions, education and fitness/health etc.), and on top that the rest 90% of men are invisible to women so by that definition; yes men are indeed the price as these men have loads of options and are a rarity in society.

So for the rest of you the mob e.g. the average guy their access to women are limited and from their limited perspective the women might be/are the price in their limited belief system as they will put her on the pedestal and ironically women women will hate them for it. Obviously this is incorrect thinking and beliefs.

There is plenty of women out there, (In that pool high quality women are also rare of course that have the qualities that we men seek in a woman), but they will all seek to "win" the 10 percenters and thus men will always be the price. Not reverse.

One of the things that I never understood and baffled me in the red pill is that you (the man) are the prize. And the women should compete for you. That might be true if you are a tall multi-millionaire, but for the ordinary guy, or even the above average guy this is not the case.

How do I know this? I am slightly above average height, 2-3x the national median income for my country, ok physique. Good to have, but those things aren't exactly conversation starters and cannot get the girls.

I have seen many threads about guys that embraced self improvement, and their disappointment that it did not get them a small tribe of women to compete for them. Self improvement is great, but you should do it for yourself.

In this post I have outlined a simple logic that the average female in her 30/40s+ can literally pick from the 1% of interested in her males. So sitting on your arse after watching a few red pill podcasts and thinking "I am the prize" won't help. You have two options - either become a 99%+ male or pick a female for which you are the 99% percenter.

Most men will have some sort of experience in the mating marketplace where they will not feel as if they are the prize. There are even game aware men who have decent stats who are experiencing dating as if women are the prize. It's really that difficult to get to the 90th percentile of men. There are 70-75th men percentile out there who aren't having good experiences. @Smooth_texter is probably around that 70-75th percentile (or higher) and he's not having an amazing time out there.

 

[Luigi Evrard]

Hi guys.


One of the things that I never understood and baffled me in the red pill is that you (the man) are the prize. And the women should compete for you. That might be true if you are a tall multi-millionaire, but for the ordinary guy, or even the above average guy this is not the case.

How do I know this? I am slightly above average height, 2-3x the national median income for my country, ok physique. Good to have, but those things aren't exactly conversation starters and cannot get the girls.

I have seen many threads about guys that embraced self improvement, and their disappointment that it did not get them a small tribe of women to compete for them. Self improvement is great, but you should do it for yourself.

In this post I have outlined a simple logic that the average female in her 30/40s+ can literally pick from the 1% of interested in her males. So sitting on your arse after watching a few red pill podcasts and thinking "I am the prize" won't help. You have two options - either become a 99%+ male or pick a female for which you are the 99% percenter.

When you are first born in to this complicated world, nobody truly cares about you (except maybe your family).

You are the only one who can construct yourself (or deconstruct yourself) in to the man you aspire to become. Ideally, a man of high value.
With the high value, comes almost naturally the money, the women and essentially respect from society.

So I would say the initial prize is yourself until you reach the apex of becoming the Man, which has a probability of never happening. But after that, the greater concern is rising up your surrounding society as a whole, creating life with the woman that you love, educate your children to become the next Men.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

The biggest secret women don't want men recognising Is the fact female beauty is so common and available

Exactly. To the point!

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Female beauty is easily fabricated. So easy that a ugly man can become a pretty woman. That cheapens the price of beauty.

Women are actually born with an innate value that society highly appraises (their fertilely, youth, beauty etc.), and protects (Women are the protected gender), thus women are living on easy mode until their late thirties and can all tools such as makeup, and other tools to improve their beauty/looks do the dance the waltz of easy through life and be both lookup up too and be desired for it.

On the other hand; we men are born into this world with no such thing as value at all. We are the disposable gender that is expected to die in wars for our country and be the ones that go down with the ship to protect the women and children. So for men to have value we have to make ourselves valuable to society and take decisive action and actually do something and build, invent, start companies and be on an constant journey of personal growth. That takes time and loads of effort before we reach that point. Usually somewhere between thirties --> to --> fifties is where most men become the high value version of themselves.

These are the distinct differences between the sexes and also why men build, maintain societies and civilization, meanwhile women are not really much of contributors to societies as a whole, but merely users of of and what men has built. Their highest contribution to civilization is of child birth and carry our children for the continuation of our species; the human race. Actually women through out history are more contributors to the decay of civilization as they (as port of their survival strategy), tend to not be loyal to their country's/society etc. and they will associate and mate with the conquerors and winners of wars. We seen this over and over again throughout history, jus take the "nazi7german girls" that we women of the conquered nations like France, Belgium, that monkey branched over to the German soldiers during ww2, (and thus heavily punished later when the war was over). We see this to in all the craziness that liberal women promote these days, (Gay/tranny agenda, racial education, feminist agenda just to mention a few insane thing liberal women promote), which doesn't build but tear down the walls of society and traditional good values that eventually create strong men and women. Being a good wife in a core family used to be a good thing for example which helped children to evolve into healthy members of society, but that is as we all know not the case anymore. So it all adds to the decay of the western civilization.

It's indeed man's world like James Brown sang in his song:

and we all know it and women and thus feminist hate this indisputable truth.

No matter what or how they try to twist it to that wahmen are independent boss bytches that need no men and men ain't shyte they all know that the real fact is that women are dependable of men for their own survival:

Well the laugh is on us men because we know the deal. They need us and without us they are nothing.

We might not be born and valued from the start of our lives, but it is us high value guys that brings the bacon that society need to function and thus we are the gender of highest value in the end, while women as they age are the losers and of lower value than us.

 

[Smooth_texter]

In a healthy relationship each partner brings their own unique strengths, all being equally valid and worthy of praise and respect. The catch is that healthy partners don't directly think "I'm the prize", which is a bit juvenile and can be misunderstood as you've mentioned.

For example, if you take up a hobby that has more women than men and hold your focus on mastering the hobby while treating any interest from women as an added bonus, you'll likely stoke that competition. That's assuming you stay in decent shape, know how to tease/flirt, and consistently show up to improve in said hobby. At no point do you need to explicitly tell yourself "I am the prize", because you're simply interested in mastering a craft you have a strong passion for. A woman has to be playful/cute/fun enough to tear you away from your ultimate goal and passion, the craft.

The prize mentality is simply one to help maintain self worth. Women challenge your resolve, the prize mentality is simply a mental reminder to stand behind your decisions with conviction, even if that means her leaving.

Hi EyeOnThePrize.

Thanks for the insights.

I agree regarding your description of a healthy relationship. However, as you can probably see in most threads - most of us guys are having trouble even getting to that stage.

So in this thread I was describing the difficulty of obtaining a good enough woman (or actually any kind of woman, due to demand), due to her having hundreds/thousands of options added every single month. By definition, the guys compete for her (whether they know or not), thus making her the prize.

Regarding the hobbies - you should do those for yourself, and have passion for them. A woman can either love that or be indifferent, that should not be your driving factor.

Regarding the prize mentality mindset - I agree. But in this case, it should be replaced by a "confident/self accountable" mindset or something like that.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Women are the prize? Give me a fockin break. Most of you motherf0ckers cant stand women outside of banging them.

 

[zekko]

A man like you that had just demobilized from WW2 service would have gals lining up to get married. Heck, even if you were 4-F, they'd still be lining up.

Women in those days needed men to survive, they needed husbands to support them. That need has been replaced by the government and feminism, so the usefulness of men has subsided considerably.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Defeatist mindset.

The stats are the same for both genders. Eventually that woman we all want( low bodycount,hb7,5+, loyal, smart, educated, well read, well spoken, representative, aligned politically, healthy, good mother, financial responsible, clean ) is ALSO 1 % . The "other 99%" is trash or at best incompatible.

By claiming women are the prize in your life they're put on a pedestalby default. And that makes sense; there are tons of men who'd be like, if I meet a " sweet girl " I'll shower her with love! Hence why women get away with so much. There'll always be a sucker around the corner who doesn't understand the cheapness of female beauty, let along the pitfalls of female nature.

If you as a man aint feeling like you're the prize it means you got work to do. Let me ask you this; if you AINT the prize then what is it you got to offer??

@Gamisch @AureliusMaximus

Hi guys.

I am aware and agree on your general premise that a guy should be his own mental point of origin, and do things for himself.

I have not put any woman on a pedestal in the last 4 years or so, nor have I threated one like she is the prize.

The thing I disagree with you both is that women literally sit on a pedestal/throne, sorting and picking guys from their queues. If it does not work out, they pick another and so on. How is having a few hundred new potential partners per month competing for you not making you the prize by definition?

Also, the fact that a woman is pedestalized or not does not subtract SMV points when hooking up the first few times, or even at the beginning stages of a relationship. Same goes for ignoring them - it does not not create attraction that wasn't already there. I can give you an extreme example, to illustrate my point. Let's say that a prime Brad Pitt (think 1999's "Fight club") enters a bar in Wisconsin (for example) that year. And let's say nobody knows who he is (so that status is out of the way). Do you really think that the women are going to turn him down if he puts them on a pedestal and he is blue pilled?

 

[Smooth_texter]

Women are the prize? Give me a fockin break. Most of you motherf0ckers cant stand women outside of banging them.

Hi Mate.

I think most people got a wrong idea of the threads' premise.

Every single man should do things for himself.

My point is that currently women can literally pick the 99% percenters of a dating pool of hundreds or thousands of competing men, which makes them the prize by definition.

Also, knowing the stats and the logic behind this would help men that were fixated in self improvement to not be disappointed if they cannot get all of the Stacies, by simply switching to a healthier goal or woman.

 

[Gamisch]

@Gamisch @AureliusMaximus

Hi guys.

I am aware and agree on your general premise that a guy should be his own mental point of origin, and do things for himself.

I have not put any woman on a pedestal in the last 4 years or so, nor have I threated one like she is the prize.

The thing I disagree with you both is that women literally sit on a pedestal/throne, sorting and picking guys from their queues. If it does not work out, they pick another and so on. How is having a few hundred new potential partners per month competing for you not making you the prize by definition?

Also, the fact that a woman is pedestalized or not does not subtract SMV points when hooking up the first few times, or even at the beginning stages of a relationship. Same goes for ignoring them - it does not not create attraction that wasn't already there. I can give you an extreme example, to illustrate my point. Let's say that a prime Brad Pitt (think 1999's "Fight club") enters a bar in Wisconsin (for example) that year. And let's say nobody knows who he is (so that status is out of the way). Do you really think that the women are going to turn him down if he puts them on a pedestal and he is blue pilled?

Yes. One woman wont notice him, another won't like him. The thrird likes his looks but is turned off by his beta behavior. The fourth only likes black dudes, another fith will say he's too skinny. If he's bluepilled and beta he must be extremely lucky to get one to say: "but he's kinda cute" . ESPECIALLY if they're older than lets say 28.

You see, soon as you take away Brad's fame and status he's just a regular bloke like you and me, and he'd face regular bloke problems too . Heck, even now he couldn't keep Angelina. Believe me, despite his status and ability to monkey brance how he'd like to, he was defeated for months maybe years after that break up.

Women sit on a pedestal, ofcourse they do. But ask yourself, what good will come out of this pedestal sitting? Far as I've seen in real life not too much good happens to them. They'll compete with 99 women for one man, perhaps 10 . They rely on their looks untill those fade away .

Women are actually born with an innate value that society highly appraises (their fertilely, youth, beauty etc.), and protects (Women are the protected gender), thus women are living on easy mode until their late thirties and can all tools such as makeup, and other tools to improve their beauty/looks do the dance the waltz of easy through life and be both lookup up too and be desired for it.

On the other hand; we men are born into this world with no such thing as value at all. We are the disposable gender that is expected to die in wars for our country and be the ones that go down with the ship to protect the women and children. So for men to have value we have to make ourselves valuable to society and take decisive action and actually do something and build, invent, start companies and be on an constant journey of personal growth. That takes time and loads of effort before we reach that point. Usually somewhere between thirties --> to --> fifties is where most men become the high value version of themselves.

These are the distinct differences between the sexes and also why men build, maintain societies and civilization, meanwhile women are not really much of contributors to societies as a whole, but merely users of of and what men has built. Their highest contribution to civilization is of child birth and carry our children for the continuation of our species; the human race. Actually women through out history are more contributors to the decay of civilization as they (as port of their survival strategy), tend to not be loyal to their country's/society etc. and they will associate and mate with the conquerors and winners of wars. We seen this over and over again throughout history, jus take the "nazi7german girls" that we women of the conquered nations like France, Belgium, that monkey branched over to the German soldiers during ww2, (and thus heavily punished later when the war was over). We see this to in all the craziness that liberal women promote these days, (Gay/tranny agenda, racial education, feminist agenda just to mention a few insane thing liberal women promote), which doesn't build but tear down the walls of society and traditional good values that eventually create strong men and women. Being a good wife in a core family used to be a good thing for example which helped children to evolve into healthy members of society, but that is as we all know not the case anymore. So it all adds to the decay of the western civilization.

It's indeed man's world like James Brown sang in his song:

and we all know it and women and thus feminist hate this indisputable truth.

No matter what or how they try to twist it to that wahmen are independent boss bytches that need no men and men ain't shyte they all know that the real fact is that women are dependable of men for their own survival:

Well the laugh is on us men because we know the deal. They need us and without us they are nothing.

We might not be born and valued from the start of our lives, but it is us high value guys that brings the bacon that society need to function and thus we are the gender of highest value in the end, while women as they age are the losers and of lower value than us.

Good post. Its true, we have a surplus of males now we have more peace, better living conditions and medicines ect. Perhaps every society qoukd face something similar if you'd take away war ,diseases and extreme poverty.

I don't know about you guys, but for me my pool has shrunk due to prohibiting myself to chase mediocre women. Why? Because i FEEL like 7 outa 10 women aint worthy of my time. I am building a legacy, and with all my experience there's no way I will take just any woman into my world(ANYMORE). That's my biggest issue with women now, i refuse to promote these women and they get pissed. Because 7/10 KNOW I'm the prize even if she has10 more men chasing her.

Every man on sosauve should be aware of his worth and carry himself like a boss. Because you are grinding AND you're studying game. The latter makes you one of a kind.

 

[MatureDJ]

Women in those days needed men to survive, they needed husbands to support them. That need has been replaced by the government and feminism, so the usefulness of men has subsided considerably.

It's OVER for NotUsefulCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

What are the chances that if 4 young American gals were selected at random, that they would collectively be as hot as these?

 

[MatureDJ]

I think as a man you can very quickly strip a woman of her power by simply appearing to be not sexually interested in her

This has never worked for me.