Let me ask you a question, and I want an honest answer

[backbreaker]

you can rip me all you want.. the more I am hitting home the more pissed you are becoming.

do you honestly think I give a flying fvck what you think about me? lol, honestly?

if you don't like me, use the ignore button... I've used it for anumber of people here.

America is the land of opprotunity for a reason. It's the only country in the WORLD where the persuit of happeiness is written in law.

If you want to tell me all of your hogwash about why you can't persue what you want, then go ahead. I am honestly listening.. but in the end I'm not the person you need to be answering to.. it's you. and what works for you works for you, i'm not a judge of character.. i know what works for ME, and what worked for ME is going after what I wanted to do with full force so I can live the rest of my life the way I wanted to.

I've been to 9 different countries in the last year, 6 in the last 5 months (France, UAE, Ireland, Columbia, Congo, Egypt, South Africa, Italy and Japan) I speak french as easily as I am typing this in english.. I've probably donated more money in the last year than you have made in the last 3, It's one of the main reasons I went to Congo. I'm a huge supporter of equine studies and the betterment of backstretch workers at horse tracks across america. And for the record i was assuming in this post that you were in america... no **** shurlock if you are in a country that doesn't have the same belifes as everyone here, you might be limited to what you want to do..but I would die trying to get out. and that's not me showing off. that's me taking a shot at you becuase you took one at me... I'm seriously conceplating on moving to another country.. i'm not your avg guy here. I can tell you first hand how F'ed up some places are. what little rights people have while they aren't here.. and yes you are correct in the sense that if I am in say.... Tel Aviv, I might not be able to do exactly what I want with my life or else their might be consequences... so I leave. That at that particular time is my passion. Finding a way out, so I can do what I want in my life.

 

[~attrACTION~]

I would choose to do what I love over the $300K job. I've had this same discussion with my parents plenty of times. They preferred that I stay in school, get a degree so I can have "security" and then I can do whatever I want.

Currently, I am doing what I love and making okay money. I work for myself, which has its perks. I don't make $300K per year yet, but I know that soon enough, in a couple years I'll be making more than that.

I think if you do what you love, you can surpass all boundaries and make more than you think is possible. $300K is nothing. I'm not saying I make even a $100K yet, but I am in college full-time, and also work an internship in addition to the work I do for myself, so time is a bit limited. I've thought of dropping out plenty of times, and still have in mind to take a semester off and just hire a couple people to run my business so I can just manage and grow. I need a foot in the ground before I can start growing and a one-man operation is a little tough trying to do that. So, honestly, I think in the next three years I can be over $100K at least.

Do what you love, definitely.

 

[Last Man Standing]

I've been retired for the last 10 years - so money is not important to me - I prefer time and knowledge over money - peace of mind is my goal!! Peace of mind is a beautiful thing to possess and time is the most valuable thing to have - you could die today!

I have no passion in terms of how I can use it to make money - wanted to have my own business but couldn't decide what to get into. If you want to make money then do what you are good at and NOT what you like to do!!

 

[Wyldfire]

backbreaker...your parents are right that you should go to college (everyone should), but if you are happy with what you are doing now then just enroll in a program that will help you and make you better at what you want to do...not what anyone else wants you to do. There are smaller colleges that run on MOD systems (that's what I'm doing now) with more flexible schedules and a part time schedule. If you are running your own business then you could benefit from a Business Administration program. If you are running your own company it would be VERY smart for you to take one of those programs because you would learn everything you need to know to protect yourself and your business and to maximize it's potential. It almost sounds like the reason you don't want to go to school is because your parents have pushed you to go and do what they think you should do and then threw you out because you didn't do it. Please don't let that turn you off to college. I always wanted to go into the military and never thought I needed to go to college until I was about 26 or 27 and then I really wanted to go to school. I tried to go once at about 29 but my youngest son was too much of a handful for sitters at that time and I had to stop. I am LOVING it now and wish I would have done this years ago. Not only do I love learning new things, but I've made a lot of really great friends and met a lot of new people I would not have otherwise met. I loved my life before...but I love it even more now.

 

[KarmaSutra]

I've been retired for the last 10 years - so money is not important to me - I prefer time and knowledge over money - peace of mind is my goal!! Peace of mind is a beautiful thing to possess and time is the most valuable thing to have - you could die today!

I have no passion in terms of how I can use it to make money - wanted to have my own business but couldn't decide what to get into. If you want to make money then do what you are good at and NOT what you like to do!!

Fight 'hors!


:crackup: HA-ha! :crackup:

 

[Nighthawk]

...this is the ONLY country in the world where a guy can go from rags to riches and your a shining example.

Tsk, some Americans. Is that what they teach you at school?

On-topic - I couldn't do a job I hated for all the money in the world.

 

[spider_007]

Originally Posted by DevanE
...this is the ONLY country in the world where a guy can go from rags to riches and your a shining example.

You can do that in any country, but unfotionatly most people have closed minds.


backbreaker;

I always wondered about this. You have 24 hours in a day, you spend 8 sleeping, 2 driving to work and back, 10 at work...which leaves you with 4 hours a day to do what you want. 4 HOURS OF YOUR DAY ARE YOURS, AND MOST OF THE TIME YOU'LL BE TO TIRED TO DO ANYTHING ANYWAY.
And you do this for next 35 years!!!!!!!!


I'm stuck in a rat race too....but then again i have to. I have to pay off my parents house....I need the security of a job, i have people that depend on me. Once i move out (im 24, so + 9 more years = 33 when i move out:nervous: somebody kill me now) I'd love to quit my job and live by the seat of my pants for a while, and then figure out my own little way to make money. Oh, i can't wait till i move out.....i'll be the happiest person out there....finaly on my own, being able to do what i want, and make money any way i please.......i'll shut up now

I don't hate my job, i just hate the rutine, and DEPENDANCE ON SOMEBODY ELSE.

 

[MT3]

Work a few years at the 300k job and then take a break.
Although screw selling high class drugs, it is too much hassle. Plus all that jail time is just not worth it.

 

[Latinoman]

If I told you right now that you could have a job doing what you didn't want to do, and make $300k a year doing it, or have the opprotunity to do what you want to do, nothing more, nothing less.. a fair opprotunity doing what youw ant to do...which would you do?

The 300k was guaranteed for the rest of your life per year.. assuming you don't get caught with drugs at work...okay more than once, or anything like tha.

Which would you choose and why? I'm not looking for a particular answer, just the truth

I can make twice as much as I'm making now. But I would be sacrificing a LOT of my time. So, I am doing what I want. However, I still getting paid 6 figures, so it is not that hard to decide.

To answer your question...I do what I WANT to do. That's POWER.

 

[Latinoman]

It isn't that hard to make money, why work at something you don't enjoy doing for the security? Is that all your life is worth?

EXACTLY!

 

[Latinoman]

backbreaker...your parents are right that you should go to college (everyone should), but if you are happy with what you are doing now then just enroll in a program that will help you and make you better at what you want to do...not what anyone else wants you to do. There are smaller colleges that run on MOD systems (that's what I'm doing now) with more flexible schedules and a part time schedule. If you are running your own business then you could benefit from a Business Administration program. If you are running your own company it would be VERY smart for you to take one of those programs because you would learn everything you need to know to protect yourself and your business and to maximize it's potential. It almost sounds like the reason you don't want to go to school is because your parents have pushed you to go and do what they think you should do and then threw you out because you didn't do it. Please don't let that turn you off to college. I always wanted to go into the military and never thought I needed to go to college until I was about 26 or 27 and then I really wanted to go to school. I tried to go once at about 29 but my youngest son was too much of a handful for sitters at that time and I had to stop. I am LOVING it now and wish I would have done this years ago. Not only do I love learning new things, but I've made a lot of really great friends and met a lot of new people I would not have otherwise met. I loved my life before...but I love it even more now.

Do you see why a person might recoil from your advice?

First - you are telling him what YOU believe is right. But you are not telling him that as an OPINION. You are telling him that as a FACT.

Second - you bring YOUR stuff again. We already know...you have told us your life about 100 times in the last 12 months. Besides, who cares what have YOU learned or who YOU have met in school? Every situation is different.

Third - You are trying to psycoanalyze him.

Personally, I believe everybody that has an oportunity should either go to College or a Trade School. Because, in my opinion, an education is important.

See the difference?

 

[spider_007]

in my opinion it's nice to have some kind of backup just in case you fail flat on your face in your ventures, and need to get your self stabilised.

Personally, when I do take a class at a local collage, it's for personal improvement......things I’d like to know about.

 

[Latinoman]

I personally believe that education is important in today's America. But, it does NOT guarrantee success.

 

[Vulpine]

cogs in the machine...

You guys and your "I'd go with my passions" work ethic crap. Duh.

I'd go with the 300k. 5 years, minus 30,000 a year living expense (from that "living expense" subtract house/property payment in lieu of rent) equals 1.35 million dollars.

1% annually on 1.35 million is 13,500. That's ONE PERCENT. A regular savings account is like .6%. If you weren't a retard, you'd get certificates for 4-6% or have a money market account. 4% on a one year certificate yields $54,000 at the end of the first year.

13,500 easily covers property tax for the year and electricity for the year.

After 5 years, I'd never have to be employed EVER again.



*singing* "If I had a million dollars..."

 

[Latinoman]

cogs in the machine...

You guys and your "I'd go with my passions" work ethic crap. Duh.

I'd go with the 300k. 5 years, minus 30,000 a year living expense (from that "living expense" subtract house/property payment in lieu of rent) equals 1.35 million dollars.

1% annually on 1.35 million is 13,500. That's ONE PERCENT. A regular savings account is like .6%. If you weren't a retard, you'd get certificates for 4-6% or have a money market account. 4% on a one year certificate yields $54,000 at the end of the first year.

13,500 easily covers property tax for the year and electricity for the year.

After 5 years, I'd never have to be employed EVER again.



*singing* "If I had a million dollars..."

Five years of doing something that you HATE (remember, he stated that in the scenario)...and you would probably end up an alcoholic or with health problems.

 

[Wyldfire]

Do you see why a person might recoil from your advice?

First - you are telling him what YOU believe is right. But you are not telling him that as an OPINION. You are telling him that as a FACT.

Second - you bring YOUR stuff again. We already know...you have told us your life about 100 times in the last 12 months. Besides, who cares what have YOU learned or who YOU have met in school? Every situation is different.

Third - You are trying to psycoanalyze him.

Personally, I believe everybody that has an oportunity should either go to College or a Trade School. Because, in my opinion, an education is important.

See the difference?

It's a fact that the only definite way you can achieve upward mobility in Social Status/Class is by going to college. If you don't get an education the only way you will achieve upward mobility is through luck. Luck is not logical or realistic. Having blind faith in getting lucky is foolish. A college education is extremely important. Does everyone HAVE to go to college? Nope. Are they foolish if they don't go to college? Absolutely.

 

[Vulpine]

5 years versus the rest of your life, and potentially your kids lives, is a pretty small investment if you actually fire an impulse across two or three nerve cells in your brain.

Is it any wonder people live miserably in debt their whole lives?

Man, I'd jump at an opportunity like that. It's like winning the damn lottery.

Which would you hate more? A job for 5 years which you'd dislike, but would afford you financial indepencance and offer unlimited freedoms thereafter. Or, being broke and a slave your whole life?

Why is this even a discussion?
:kick:

 

[Vulpine]

It's a fact FALSE! that the only definite FALSE! way you can achieve upward mobility in Social Status/Class is by going to college. SO, I wouldn't have any "class" if I didn't go to college? Ridiculous! If you don't get an education the only way you will achieve upward mobility is through luck. FALSE! "Start your own business", "invest", "live within your means while saving", the list goes on, and none of those three off the top of my head have anything to do with luck. Luck is not logical or realistic. If that's true, than it can be said that you aren't lucky. Having blind faith in getting lucky is foolish. OPINION A college education is extremely important. FALSE! SPECULATION! OPINION! Does everyone HAVE to go to college? Nope. WHOA! AN ACTUAL TRUTH! Are they foolish if they don't go to college? Absolutely. FOOLISH ACCORDING TO WYLDFIRE... POT > KETTLE > BLACK

Three words into a post and you've already flat-out lied.

You are amazingly full of sh!t. Just spew, spew, spew... like a backed up toilet. Someone needs to "plunge" you.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

cogs in the machine...

You guys and your "I'd go with my passions" work ethic crap. Duh.

I'd go with the 300k. 5 years, minus 30,000 a year living expense (from that "living expense" subtract house/property payment in lieu of rent) equals 1.35 million dollars.

1% annually on 1.35 million is 13,500. That's ONE PERCENT. A regular savings account is like .6%. If you weren't a retard, you'd get certificates for 4-6% or have a money market account. 4% on a one year certificate yields $54,000 at the end of the first year.

13,500 easily covers property tax for the year and electricity for the year.

After 5 years, I'd never have to be employed EVER again.



*singing* "If I had a million dollars..."

I remember a goal I had in my youth to have a six figure salary by a certain age. I missed it by a few months but once I reached it I sat back and evaluated the amount of effort I put forth in relationship to the gains that I had made. All I had was a ton of money (before taxes) with little time to truly enjoy it. It didn't take me long to realize that the money wasn't worth what I was missing out on, and those damn taxes... Sheesh...

What that experience made me do was to find more effective ways to have the money I have work for me with the least amount of effort on my part. I learned how to spend wisely. I also made sure that my lifestyle was paramount and my career just supported it. Money didn't buy me happiness; it just paid for the search.

 

[Latinoman]

It's a fact that the only definite way you can achieve upward mobility in Social Status/Class is by going to college.

A fact? I won't debate this with you (which I'm afraid you are the type that argues everything as to this day you have not shown that you can sit back and LEARN)...but...Let me clarify something for you.

There is Social Status and there is Social Class. They are NOT the same.

A person is BORN with his/her social status. He/she cannot move "up". All they can do is make sure their children are born at a higher status. And that is typically done via marriage.

For instance...I was born poor. I will NEVER be from the "high society" as you have to be born there.

Now...I'm upper middle class when it comes to salary. As Social Class and salary goes hand to hand. In essense, a person could be born poor and never get a college degree and become a millionaire and consequently move to the UPPER CLASS (salary social class)...but never will be accepted in HIGH SOCIETY (social status).

For the same token...a person can be making $50,000 a year working in a Non-Profit Organization (which makes her Middle-Class)...and be considered HIGH SOCIETY just because her name might be Chelsea Victoria Clinton (e.g. President's Clinton daughter).

If you don't get an education the only way you will achieve upward mobility is through luck. Luck is not logical or realistic. Having blind faith in getting lucky is foolish.

Upward mobility is NOT guarrantee with a college education. As you can be making $35,000 a year as a social worker (with a College Degree) and a Mechanic that owns his shop can be making $200,000 a year.

And Social Status cannot be earned with salaries nor college education. It can only be earn at birth.

A college education is extremely important.

I agree. But it is not the guarrantee to success.

Does everyone HAVE to go to college? Nope. Are they foolish if they don't go to college? Absolutely.

If they go to College and pick the WRONG degree...then...they are foolish.