Lessons and observations after a couple months of daygame.

[Jesse Pinkman]

For the past couple of months, I've been doing a good bit of daygame on the weekends and so I thought I'd share some observations and lessons in those times. I do daygame in a city known to attract a lot of beautiful women as well, maybe others can also add to what I am finding.

Harder to cultivate an abundance mentality.

I feel like with nightgame and even with online dating, you see a ton of beautiful women in a short span of time. You go to a club and can see up to 5 approachable sets in a 10-minute time frame. However, with daygame even in a prime city, it is harder to have that abundance. You will see a lot more families, couples, old people, and everything instead of just hot girls. I'd say you see maybe one hot girl every ten minutes who is approachable if you live in a major city or one that is known for attracting a lot of beautiful women and that is a very liberal number, realistically I'd say one every twenty minutes.

Women aren't that approachable during the day either.

People claim that women do not have their shields up during the day as they would in a nightclub but I disagree with this. I am finding that in most cases, women are just as guarded and weirded out by being approached by a stranger unless you do it right. Harsh rejections are rare during the day than they would be at night but that is not to say that they do not happen. No matter how advanced you get, as someone who has winged with guys that have done this for a while, you will have days where it is nothing but rejections.

The magic is finding the sweet spots of a given area that seem to attract a lot of the better looking women.

Maybe it is near the fountain at a major park or certain areas with the benches. Perhaps it is a certain area of a large mall that has all of the fashion stores in it. Maybe you go to a strip and it is the Whole Foods that has a lot of women coming in and out. It's like a Parerto Principle where even the biggest cities, only certain spots will work for daygame and even in those certain neighborhoods, certain areas of those neighborhoods seem to be where all of the talent is. You start to get a feel for this once you have daygamed in an area for at least a month and realize that your best results come from certain places.

Very few women are approachable if you have any sort of standards.

We already covered how most of what you run into during the day are couples, old people, families, and even not so attractive women. What I have not brought up are attractive women that are there in a large group or those that are either on their phone or listening to music. I will give it to you advanced guys, if they are listening to music, perhaps you can approach them. To give some rough numbers here, expect to find maybe 10 approachable women or "sets" in an hour if you are in a major city.

For those of you in small towns and small cities, I do not recommend it.

If you are not in a major city, I do not think you should spend time with daygame. You will run into the same women again and it is easy for you to be "that guy". Now there is a catch here, if you do it in a very subtle way or how @Fruitbat kind of talks about it, then perhaps this can still work for you. However, I'd say for you, do not expect to do more than five approaches a day if even that. For you, quality of approaches is going to matter far more than quantity. I think newbies are better off just getting their $hit together and life in order before they even consider game in general. Find a way to get to a big city with good logistics before you worry about game. I actually agree with @Fruitbat here, last thing I want is for some guy who cannot even afford life in a big city to be that weird daygame spam approacher in a small town mall.

Overall, still no regrets.

The walking around has me healthier and approaching women during the day has you confronting your approach anxiety as opposed to doing it drunk at a club. In just the past couple of months, I have managed to learn what works and what doesn't work. I have also felt free in terms of game and choosing what women enter my life versus those that do not. Somehow, daygame has also spiraled down into good habits from my end like eating right, nofap, and working out. As tough as it may be and while over 95% of men that get into it fail and burn out, I have no regrets about it.

 

[Namebejed7]

I've been trying to figure out how to get more approaches in and I've been toying with the idea of setting a personal rule of never leaving a store I enter without an approach (like if I run in the grocery for something I can't leave until I've made at least one approach). I'd be interested in hearing more about your technique and how it works with your image. I would imagine indirect would be good for store approach, but direct with a time constraint could probably go well too. I'm an older professional too (42), so over the top high energy stuff just wouldn't seem genuine to me.

 

[SW15]

Women aren't that approachable during the day either.

People claim that women do not have their shields up during the day as they would in a nightclub but I disagree with this. I am finding that in most cases, women are just as guarded and weirded out by being approached by a stranger unless you do it right. Harsh rejections are rare during the day than they would be at night but that is not to say that they do not happen. No matter how advanced you get, as someone who has winged with guys that have done this for a while, you will have days where it is nothing but rejections.

Daygame is long and laborious. It's a time consuming drag to generate new prospects.

Most of daygame is spent lingering and looking for good approach opportunities, if you choose not to spam approach. Some daygame guys are complete spam approachers. I've never been able to do spam daygame.

Because I don't spam approach, I might have times where I do a 1-2 hour dedicated approach session and don't see one viable approach.

Earbuds are one of the biggest problems in daygame. The earbud problem is relevant if you are doing general gym floor approaching, street approaching, park approaching, or walking/hiking path problem.

A lot of women who aren't approachable during the day are women who are not looking for new penis. They have abundance, either through an existing boyfriend or through multiple men they're juggling from the swipe apps. The existing boyfriend scenario is the more probable one. This is even true if you happen to be daygaming in a part of your city where there are a lot of unmarried people.

The magic is finding the sweet spots of a given area that seem to attract a lot of the better looking women.

Maybe it is near the fountain at a major park or certain areas with the benches. Perhaps it is a certain area of a large mall that has all of the fashion stores in it. Maybe you go to a strip and it is the Whole Foods that has a lot of women coming in and out. It's like a Parerto Principle where even the biggest cities, only certain spots will work for daygame and even in those certain neighborhoods, certain areas of those neighborhoods seem to be where all of the talent is. You start to get a feel for this once you have daygamed in an area for at least a month and realize that your best results come from certain places.

If you daygame, you need to daygame in neighborhoods that have residents that are mainly unmarried people. That's the only way that you position yourself for success.

If you're daygaming the street/walking paths/hiking paths, you need a lot of foot traffic to make it viable. I can name areas in my city where there are favorable demographics but not enough foot traffic. There's one walking path in my city that's not far away from downtown but since the immediate area near it is single family homes, it doesn't bring out the right demographic. It brings out too many 40+ women/married women.

Venue selection is critical to success in daygaming efforts.

Very few women are approachable if you have any sort of standards.

We already covered how most of what you run into during the day are couples, old people, families, and even not so attractive women. What I have not brought up are attractive women that are there in a large group or those that are either on their phone or listening to music. I will give it to you advanced guys, if they are listening to music, perhaps you can approach them. To give some rough numbers here, expect to find maybe 10 approachable women or "sets" in an hour if you are in a major city.

10 approachable women per one hour of daygaming is pushing it in my city. Even on the most viable and highest foot traffic walking path in my city, you won't find 10 approachable women in an hour due to the earbud factor.

For those of you in small towns and small cities, I do not recommend it.

If you are not in a major city, I do not think you should spend time with daygame. You will run into the same women again and it is easy for you to be "that guy". Now there is a catch here, if you do it in a very subtle way or how @Fruitbat kind of talks about it, then perhaps this can still work for you. However, I'd say for you, do not expect to do more than five approaches a day if even that. For you, quality of approaches is going to matter far more than quantity. I think newbies are better off just getting their $hit together and life in order before they even consider game in general. Find a way to get to a big city with good logistics before you worry about game. I actually agree with @Fruitbat here, last thing I want is for some guy who cannot even afford life in a big city to be that weird daygame spam approacher in a small town mall.

I agree. What do you think the necessary population level of an area needs to be before daygame is viable? I'm thinking at least 200,000 but my number might be low.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I've been trying to figure out how to get more approaches in and I've been toying with the idea of setting a personal rule of never leaving a store I enter without an approach (like if I run in the grocery for something I can't leave until I've made at least one approach). I'd be interested in hearing more about your technique and how it works with your image. I would imagine indirect would be good for store approach, but direct with a time constraint could probably go well too. I'm an older professional too (42), so over the top high energy stuff just wouldn't seem genuine to me.

With daygame, indirect is rarely if ever a good idea. I never approach inside of a store, I only do street approaches.

I highly recommend watching good infields, Todd V is a good resource.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I agree. What do you think the necessary population level of an area needs to be before daygame is viable? I'm thinking at least 200,000 but my number might be low.

TBH, at least 250k. Ideally, you do it in major cities like an LA, NYC, Chicago, etc. There is a reason why the RSDs of the world do their "bootcamps" in Vegas and not small town Alabama.

 

[SW15]

With daygame, indirect is rarely if ever a good idea. I never approach inside of a store, I only do street approaches.

Indirect is useful in indoor retail situations. I haven't done any grocery store or mall approaching since the pandemic started. Indoor masking greatly harmed that venue for cold approaching. Street, park, walking/hiking path are the ways to do daygame now. I did that form of approaching as well pre-pandemic.

TBH, at least 250k. Ideally, you do it in major cities like an LA, NYC, Chicago, etc. There is a reason why the RSDs of the world do their "bootcamps" in Vegas and not small town Alabama.

Miami is better a daygame approach place than Dallas. Dallas has some daygame options but it isn't an amazing location for daygame. There is enough population in Dallas to warrant doing daygame as I have done over time.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

@SW15

Miami is so so for daygame. You really only have South Beach and that is it. Brickell is almost undoable because of how snotty everyone is. Plus you add in that PUA is strong in Miami and so many programs like RSD do their bootcamps here and you get the average girl who has been approached non-stop.

 

[SW15]

@SW15

Miami is so so for daygame. You really only have South Beach and that is it. Brickell is almost undoable because of how snotty everyone is. Plus you add in that PUA is strong in Miami and so many programs like RSD do their bootcamps here and you get the average girl who has been approached non-stop.

There aren't any RSD bootcamps doing regular sessions in Dallas. I don't think Dallas women are approached in person as much as Miami women. Earbud wearing is very strong in Dallas and women do actively discourage approaching as much as they can here. There's one active walking path in Dallas that has enough foot traffic and positive demographics for doing approaches. Parks in Dallas exist but are nothing special compared to any other Top 25 US city.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The secret is to start up a conversation that doesn't make it seem like you are trying to hit on her or get her number.

I actually posted something directly related to this a week or so ago that will give guys ways to start a conversation pretty much anywhere without her thinking much of it.

Stumbled across this Science Of People post on "How To Ask Someone Out" and it has some really great tips to help guys who have trouble in person..

Some really great practical advice you can pretty much use any time you are out and about anywhere and want to ask someone out. Highly recommend reading and incorporating some of this. https://www.scienceofpeople.com/how-to-ask-someone-out/

www.sosuave.net

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

There aren't any RSD bootcamps doing regular sessions in Dallas. I don't think Dallas women are approached in person as much as Miami women. Earbud wearing is very strong in Dallas and women do actively discourage approaching as much as they can here. There's one active walking path in Dallas that has enough foot traffic and positive demographics for doing approaches. Parks in Dallas exist but are nothing special compared to any other Top 25 US city.

Miami women are approached at such an absurd amount man.

 

[SW15]

@SW15

Miami is so so for daygame. You really only have South Beach and that is it. Brickell is almost undoable because of how snotty everyone is. .

7-10 years ago, Uptown Dallas used to have the pretention factor going for it big time. That sounds like a lot like how you're describing Brickell. South Beach is likely better than anything that Dallas can offer in terms of daygame. In my original Dallas thread, I said the following about Dallas daygame....

There isn't much unique about daygame here and it's not the ideal city for daygame. Nevertheless, it is a good option for meeting people.

I am still thinking that you'd rather deal with doing daygame in South Beach and Brickell that night game in those areas.