Leaving a destructive relationship behind and falling for a girl with a boyfriend.

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Hello everyone, this is my first post. I have been lurking this site for like 2 or 3 years now, trying to absorb whatever knowledge sounded true and sound in my mind.
When I first discover the sited I was (I guess like many) a disaster and was in a horrible relationship that destroyed me like nothing else. BPD probably, a real sick person.
Over the years I learned a lot but I couldn’t leave this woman behind and she we were completely obsessed with each other. I dumped her like 7 times and end up returning every couple months because I just couldn’t find interest in another girl and there she was. Smoking hot, awesome sex, always waiting for me and it was too easy to just say yes and **** her for a while. But it always made my life miserable.
On each break up, I focused on myself. Tried to lose weight (the battle of my life) read a lot, become more social. And each time I returned with her I ended up losing some of what I had achieved.
The last time I break up with her was 1 month ago. But this time, something is different.
I kind of like fell in love with another girl (which is a very rare thing in my life!). I won’t go describing what she is like. It’s enough to say that it’s the first time I can talk to a girl in MY language and it’s a lot of fun.
The problem is that she has a boyfriend. This reason alone made me make no move AT ALL. Because I had swered in the past that I will never be part of an infidelity again. So, I put her on the friend zone.
However, without making a conscious effort I noticed that I was following the DJ bible to perfection with this girl and we begun to talk more and more. And at some point we started to flirt pretty often and she gives me a LOT of high level interest indicators. Eventually I realized that I REALLY liked this girl and I said **** it I will ask her out on a “friendly” date to check things out a little more. And I did, and she said yes. We are going out next week because she is studying for a final next Monday.
BUT, she still has a boyfriend. When she talks with me, it’s like he doesn’t exist. But he is there, and he seems very very happy with her.
This puts me in a rough position for 2 reasons:
- I don’t want to **** up a bro, even if I don’t know the guy that much. I just think it’s not right.
- It makes me doubt of the whole thing. I have been with a couple of girls but I never had success with one I had feelings for. And I can’t take the failure mindset out of my mind. I end up rationalizing everything and thinking she is just being friendly.

I guess I need some advice, see what other people think or would do in my shoes.
Sorry for the long post and possible grammar mistakes, I’m not a native English speaker.
 

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respect for not wanting to steal her. if you've ever been robbed, you know how much it hurts. i swore i'd never do it.

however, now i'm in a similar situation- met a chick at my friend's gf's company party at a bar, eventually got her number, then found out she had a bf.

she obviously showed interest in swinging to my branch, but is it worth it?

i'm taking things super slow and waiting until the next company function to see her again and see what happens then. i'm going to let her do the work. apparently she's got the 7 yr itch in her relationship.

i am definitely not outcome dependent on this chick. you shouldn't be either.

i recommend you keep investing in this girl like you are, and don't rush it, but also get more plates, preferably unattached.
 

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I guess i should spin more plates. It's funny how everything ends with the plate teory.
I'm not really dependant on her, but, i notice i could "be".
- She is the first girl i develop feelings for in like, 5 years.
- There is no one else. Except for my ex that never gives up. But that is not a choice.

@ZenoB: 7 yrs and she gave you her phone? she must be bored with her bf.

End result? im a little bit anxious, and even if she is giving me all the high interest signs it doesn't change the fact that se has a bf and all our flirt it's through online chat.
 

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ZenoB said:
i'm going to let her do the work.
I think this is very sound advice in this case. Also my respect for you for not trying to steal her.

If you feel both of you are wanting to go further into exploring each other beyond the friendzone, mark your boundaries up front. If it comes to a point where you are trying to kiss (or whatever boundaries you would set) just stop right there.
Tell her you wouldnt appreciate her kissing other guys if she were your gf so you will not kiss her. If she really wants to get with you instead of her bf, she will have to end things with him first. If she doesn't wanna do that: move on as friends if you want. If you have a hard time doing that, stop seeing her.
 

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@miko
Thanks for the advice. I'm actually planing to do that. If it comes to the situation im going to stop it and tell her that i only do that with single girls.

I also have an update:
Yeasterday we talked for hours and we flirted a lot. But when it ended i didn't feel so good about it. The fact that she is doing all this with a boyfriend is starting to lower my apreciation for her. With each day that we flirt, even if i like it i tend to think worse of her.
Also, since all the flirting is done by chat because we haven't meet alone yet it's starting to get me really anxious.
So i decided to dissappear for a few days. Go completly offline untill the end of the weekend maybe, to cool off a little.
Tomorrow im going to a club and saturday to a bar, and to a public pool on sunday so i will try to spin some plates.
What do you guys think? will dissapearing for so much time have a good effect on the situation?
 

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Zengar

Do you really want to get emotionally involved with a woman who is willing to cheat on her BF? That's the question you should be asking yourself.
 

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I don't know if she is willing to cheat, but she is sure willing to flirt.
 

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Zengar said:
I don't know if she is willing to cheat, but she is sure willing to flirt.
She already has in my book by flirting with you.

Be careful you don't get the ol' oneitis brother.
 

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yes, you are right 5string.
It's time to spin some plates i guess
 

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ah... this similar case just happened to me. i also sorta got put in the friend zone, yeah i was flirting a lot too, touching, even slapping her ass, but in the end i just couldn't make a move because i knew she had a bf. one time i kissed her on the cheek, but that was nothing.
it only ended in, i guess you can call it, heartbreak, for me.. i still kinda feel something for this girl who still has her boyfriend. the other day i had 4 girls at my place and she came over to use my computer, then left and got angry because i didn't tell her these girls were here. maybe she was jealous.

but either way if you really want her you're gonna need to wait. don't talk to her so much, maybe if she doesn't have you in her life anymore she'll dump her boyfriend and come after you. get your life going and see other girls. yeah they probably aren't as good as her, but they are single. the bottom line is that you are wasting your time with a taken girl. so you're just going to have to wait, either that or go all out and make a move.
 

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Solution to your problem: Never fall for a woman before she has sex with you.

Meet other women. Unless they express interest via non-verbal means (this is more subtle; it's all eye contact and proximity), forget about them and move onto the next. I never mull over whether or not some girl wants me anymore now.
 

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I think you need to take a hard look at WHY you pick the wrong girls that aren't what you want... don't want BP? but dating one?,don't want to date a cheater or cause her to cheat? but flirting and having feelings for one who would cause both?

SO, what is wrong with YOU that you need to date women who aren't good for you or aren't what you want?
 

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In the BPD case, you are absolutly right, and i though a lot about it.
But with this girl im not so sure.
Most girls have a boyfriend at any point of time.
I can't even remember the last time i met an atractive single girl.
It's like they don't exist.
 

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I guess my question is do you WANT to find a good woman? Or do you think crazies and cheaters are all you deserve?[IF she actually HAS a boyfriend... they all SAY they do,but it may have been 2 dates or a month of dating]
 

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Update: I have oneitis = / and it sucks.
We saw each other 2 times and it was great. I really enjoyed it and she seemed really into it to and happy.
But when we are not together she kind of dissapears and it's affecting me way to much.
Also, in the last few days i have begun to feel bad about her being with her boyfriend, something that wasn't like that at all at the start.
I still like to steal this girl, but i don't want to have oneitis with anybody because it makes me suffer.
I guess i need help
 
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