Learn approach fearlessness from beggers

[Clockwerk50]

I think you are using the wrong simile since beggars are often considered among the lowest in social status. You could make the same comparison to telemarketers, solicitors, etc.

It might be better to use professions where shamelessness is more admired to make your point, such as real estate agents, debt collectors, or gangsters/drug dealers.

 

[BaronOfHair]

We're not likely to get our needs and desires met unless we express them out loud, this is true

 

[SW15]

real estate agents

A lot of real estate agents are female and they use their sex appeal to gain business.

 

[SummerTime]

I think you are using the wrong simile since beggars are often considered among the lowest in social status. You could make the same comparison to telemarketers, solicitors, etc.

It might be better to use professions where shamelessness is more admired to make your point, such as real estate agents, debt collectors, or gangsters/drug dealers.

The thread is not about being like beggars - it is learning from their fearlessness, and then being a high-quality person.
This is all about NOT missing opportunities; taking every opportunity without fear.
I personally hate the beggers very passionately.

 

[SummerTime]

A lot of real estate agents are female and they use their sex appeal to gain business.

many people in the thread have claimed I am suggesting "being a beggar" which is ridiculous. Just shows you how communication will never be perfect.

Your first comment understood the thread perfectly - we overcome our fears, stress, anxiety, social judgement and just APPROACH, that's what the thread is about.

 

[SummerTime]

@The Diver

Life is about your bargaining position. It’s all that matters also in game with women.

Raise your smv so you have a lot of options. More women interested in you will make your smv higher which gives you more access to more women. The woman you with will notice so she will feel more attracted to you and treat you better.

Same with business and life. If a hb10 woman annoys Dan bilzerian he could skip her immediately because he got 80.000 more 10s in his dm and 10 at home playing on their phones being cexy for him. That’s why a hot girl will skip you faster if you show weakness because she got 80 guys in her dm and 25 trying to fix her on the streets that day. She wants the best man she can get so she will test the sh*t out of you to see if you are that man if she’s attracted to you in the first place.

That’s why you should investigate your bargaining position and raise it if your not happy about the quality of women you attract right now. I did all of that the past years and I attract way better looking women then ever. I’m still not top tier but close to it. I can write a fcking book about it.
My bargaining position is sky high on business i don’t care about people that wanna work with me because I don’t need them I already got a good business running so I’m very critical and picky on who I work with and let in my circle.

Women with loads of options are the same. So work on your smv and make a better bargaining position for yourself by hitting the gym and having a good fun life with nice people and you’ll attract better quality women who want to join the ride.

Women skip guys who fail sh8t tests because she feels he doesn’t have options like her when he acts needy and insecure so she feels she’s better or higher quality then you and leaves you. If you don’t give a sh8t if she leaves you show her that you have options or can do better which will make her at least reconsider or think if she made the right choise pulling away.

Honestly man,

Thinking about **** tests and all that, I say, if she likes you, that's it. It never needs to be more technical than this.

I have quit all "alpha male techniques" and "correct answers to **** tests"

 

[SummerTime]

This reminds me of sub five men who criticized, ignored , rejected, blown off and humiliated by women to such an extent, that now they are full of rage and hate twored women and don't care anymore for women's opinions about them. At that point, they lose any shame and intimidation and they are brave enough to tell women what they really think and want from them.( Still with same results)
Those men are not brave and shameless now because they are confident in themselves due to positive growth, but because they hate women to such an extent, that they don't care anymore for the outcome of their approach. ( Which now will end in more rejections because they are now very violent and aggressive individuals).

How this relates to OP? The badgers, like the humiliated men, lost their sham of approach not because they are confident individuals, but because they are at that point where they know they are no one and no one notice their existence anyway .Their shamelessness is not a result of positive growth but rather from a very negative decline with a very different and negative outcomes.( Non existent ).
Both the badger and the sub five are now shameless for a different reasons, but they are still in the same place they have been before, and even in a worse place than before.

Well, I know what path I prefer talking in being shameless and fearless.

I am talking about being a high-quality man WITH a beggers fearlessness.

 

[SummerTime]

We're not likely to get our needs and desires met unless we express them out loud, this is true

thats right! The meaning of this thread is: if you encounter a woman you like, no matter what the circumstance, approach, get/give contact details, shamelessly, fearlessly. We are high-quality men.

 

[The Diver]

I am talking about being a high-quality man WITH a beggar's fearlessness.

I understand what you are trying to say. But when I'm looking at my role model, I can see him in my mind. But seen in my mind a baggers when approaching woman as my role model for fearlessness ? Don't think it'll work, at least not for me.

As others said, there are way better role models to choose from.

 

[Agamemnon43]

There theories are getting more and more ridiculous...

Why people give money to beggars? Because of pity.

You think women will give you their intimacy because they pity you?

Also your motivation cannot be the same as someone whose life depends on whether he "approaches" or not. Or he's just a Gypsy, like AA said, and it's his job to beg for money 24/7.

This analogy is just lame and your motivation is complete miss.

Even if you hypothetically succeed in approaching like a "beggar", purely because you believe you need numbers, where is the excitement in that?

 

[SummerTime]

Their 'fearlessness' comes from literally having nothing left to lose. They don't have to worry about losing dignity, respect or status, they already have no status at all. And they are not socially calibrated at all, pretty much everyone either ignores or despises them. If you want to be attractive to women, you cannot emulate the dregs of society.


Indeed, you should emulate the 'fearlessness' of (door-to-door) salesmen or cold call telemarketers.



High quality men should not emulate low quality men in order to reach success.

Yes, you should approach with confidence and without fear. Just walk up to a woman and make conversation. But not like a socially uncalibrated hobo begging for change. That's not confidence, it's desperation. Desperation / neediness is decidedly unattractive.

Nobody here has a problem with your message of fearlessness, you just shouldn't have used 'beggars' as a role model for this fearlessness. The fearlessness of the desperate is not an attractive trait.

You are , again, claiming I am trying to "become like a beggar"
I should have written in the original post that I passionately hate the beggers. They sicken me.

>Their 'fearlessness' comes from literally having nothing left to lose
That's right.

>The fearlessness of the desperate is not an attractive trait
I never said become "desperate" and I never said to emulate their lifestyle or beliefs or behavior

>High quality men should not emulate low quality men in order to reach success.
Where did I say "emulate low quality men" - I just said learn from ONE of their qualities, which is obviously superior to educated men in this regard -> because educated men think too much, are too connected to the outcome, take it personally etc...

I never said "approach like a beggar", I said "APPROACH"

Can't believe I'm even writing this.

 

[corrector]

A lot of real estate agents are female and they use their sex appeal to gain business.

That could work both ways. Female agents are worried about their safety, a client could also waste their time and be more interested in hitting on them rather than seriously buying or selling anything, or hitting on them for sexual favours in order to close a deal, etc.... and in fact, just the other day a female Real-Estate agent had gone missing in a nearby city to here. As a male agent, that is one thing I never have to worry about, and obviously if it's a nice female cx, then I wouldn't mind that. As long as I dress and conduct professionally, people always know it's 100% about the business and don't have to worry about being taken seriously. Whether or not they like me and want to work with me is another story.

Just the other day I attended a Real-Estate office meeting and saw two hot White ladies there. They are struggling in the business and the broker told them that unless they can stand out to other 80, 000 agents, their license is just good for decoration on their bedroom wall. Imagine a lady like that being told something like that who came to learn about facebook ad. Seeing that allot of those agents are other females doesn't mean it is easy for any individual female.

 

[SummerTime]

There theories are getting more and more ridiculous...

Why people give money to beggars? Because of pity.

You think women will give you their intimacy because they pity you?

Also your motivation cannot be the same as someone whose life depends on whether he "approaches" or not. Or he's just a Gypsy, like AA said, and it's his job to beg for money 24/7.

This analogy is just lame and your motivation is complete miss.

Even if you hypothetically succeed in approaching like a "beggar", purely because you believe you need numbers, where is the excitement in that?

You are another fool. Like the other guy.

This is just a thinking technique to remove approach anxiety, remove connection to outcome, to stop taking things personally.

When I say "approach" - I mean approach as a HIGH LEVEL EDUCATED MAN, but in this case, A HIGH LEVEL EDUCATED MAN who is FEARLESS

 

[SummerTime]

That could work both ways. Female agents are worried about their safety, a client could also waste their time and be more interested in hitting on them rather than seriously buying or selling anything, or hitting on them for sexual favours in order to close a deal, etc.... and in fact, just the other day a female Real-Estate agent had gone missing in a nearby city to here. As a male agent, that is one thing I never have to worry about, and obviously if it's a nice female cx, then I wouldn't mind that. As long as I dress and conduct professionally, people always know it's 100% about the business and don't have to worry about being taken seriously. Whether or not they like me and want to work with me is another story.

Just the other day I attended a Real-Estate office meeting and saw two hot White ladies there. They are struggling in the business and the broker told them that unless they can stand out to other 80, 000 agents, their license is just good for decoration on their bedroom wall. Imagine a lady like that being told something like that who came to learn about facebook ad. Seeing that allot of those agents are other females doesn't mean it is easy for any individual female.

Fact is, most women are poor. Some are on corporate welfare with easy lives, but others, like waitresses are grinding to death for $10 an hour.

Sex appeal in sales is a different topic, and a scary one to even think about. Being a "saleswoman" imagine the awkwardness.

 

[corrector]

You are , again, claiming I am trying to "become like a beggar"
I should have written in the original post that I passionately hate the beggers. They sicken me.

>Their 'fearlessness' comes from literally having nothing left to lose
That's right.

>The fearlessness of the desperate is not an attractive trait
I never said become "desperate" and I never said to emulate their lifestyle or beliefs or behavior

>High quality men should not emulate low quality men in order to reach success.
Where did I say "emulate low quality men" - I just said learn from ONE of their qualities, which is obviously superior to educated men in this regard -> because educated men think too much, are too connected to the outcome, take it personally etc...

I never said "approach like a beggar", I said "APPROACH"

Can't believe I'm even writing this.

What is wrong with 'desperate'? Isn't that what people of nofap/noporn and semen retention are trying to put people into a state of desperation so that they will make approaches. This is what allot of people teach on here. If someone dumpster dives or goes below their SMV to get an easy lay then that's a type of desperation too because he would not do that if there were better options.

It's funny how being motivated and desperate sound like two sides of the same coin depending on how you spin it.

 

[SummerTime]

I understand what you are trying to say. But when I'm looking at my role model, I can see him in my mind. But seen in my mind a baggers when approaching woman as my role model for fearlessness ? Don't think it'll work, at least not for me.

As others said, there are way better role models to choose from.

they are not meant to be a role model. We are just trying to look at them to see PROOF that approaching random people has NO DOWNSIDE, NO PUNISHMENT, it CAN BE DONE.

I hate beggars, passionately.

 

[corrector]

You are another fool. Like the other guy.

This is just a thinking technique to remove approach anxiety, remove connection to outcome, to stop taking things personally.

When I say "approach" - I mean approach as a HIGH LEVEL EDUCATED MAN, but in this case, A HIGH LEVEL EDUCATED MAN who is FEARLESS

I do understand your point. Beggers have to be social with people in order to ask random strangers for favous in this way. However, they would have to learn some social graces in order to get people to emphatise with them. Some people have elaborate stories (ie what someone would call routines), and if someone listens, they might get something. There is some spill-over between approaching and begging because both involve a social movement.

However, I still think it's difficult to compare something when money is involved in principle. For example, if you gave a trusted friend $ 1000, and made a commitment that you are going to approach 100 girls. If you fulfull that commitment and approach 100 girls, you'll get your money back. If you don't then the money is gone. Something like that would be an interesting analogy because now you are mixing money with the motivation to approach. However, it's still not the same.

By the way, I do award myself for any approach I make with a girl, that goes sideways or I feel really bad afterwards, with a $ 2.00 lottery play. However, in practise, that has not proven to be much of incentive with me ot do anything and is usually incidental to women that I approach for other reasons, apart from that.

 

[corrector]

they are not meant to be a role model. We are just trying to look at them to see PROOF that approaching random people has NO DOWNSIDE, NO PUNISHMENT, it CAN BE DONE.

I hate beggars, passionately.

There are punishments/downsides if you approach the wrong girl and she wants to ruin your life, and it could be a type of Russian Roulette. A beggar's life is already ruined.

 

[SummerTime]

There are punishments/downsides if you approach the wrong girl and she wants to ruin your life, and it could be a type of Russian Roulette. A beggar's life is already ruined.

I have never heard or seen anything bad happen to a begger.

Once again, I hate beggars.

I never said become like them; just observe how they fearlessly approach everyone - only this ONE point.

 

[corrector]

I have never heard or seen anything bad happen to a begger.

Once again, I hate beggars.

I never said become like them; just observe how they fearlessly approach everyone - only this ONE point.

The logic is flawed because you did mention that beggars approach everyone rather than just approaching hot 18-24 year old girls, or even those of just the opposite gender. As we all know who you are targetting the approach makes the biggest difference for approach anxiety.

Also, the fact that you have never seen anything bad happen (a point to which I disagree with but is not fruitful for the purpose of discussion here) to a beggar is reason enough not be comparing approaches with women, since bad things could happen with the wrong woman. That is why guys, en masse are going their own way, staying away from women at work and in public.