Law Being Passed To Ban ALL Forms of Online Gambling.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a92yBd0NpQ4Y&refer=home

In the works now is a law that could entirely wipe internet gambling off the face of the map. Perhaps this is where TRUE Capitalists rise up and find an alternate means of providing this form of entertainment, however, when laws are brought up to block such emerging growth spots, you begin to wonder. Main points.

[1] The law will seek to block any and all payments by banks and credit card companies to and from internet gambling and sports betting websites. For those who don't know, gambling is relegated to a few hot spots, Vegas, Atlanta city, and a few other major zones that are designated and TAXED.

[2] Watch for many politicians to be given free rooms at major resorts for assisting the casinos w/in the US. Because their legal place of residence was the US, they were losing millions to people NOT traveling to physical casinos, AND they couldn't create an online gambling site b/c their central location was the US, which made it illegal to do so.

[3] One of the main points, on top of casinos lobbying for the changing of the laws in some fashion, is the major point that the US can't monitor and tax an industry that was growing faster and more profitable than physical casinos, and for that matter, if it can't be taxed, it is made illegal.

[4] This isn't about ethics or morals of whether people should or should not gamble, of the fact money is transferred from one reality to another, but of illegal and legal. The bottom line was, they couldn't tax it and the casinos pushed hard enough to change the law in some way so they could effectively compete, and the simplest way it appeared to be fixed was by enacting such a law.

Remember YOU elect these officials.
Keep in mind also, a shady law, on par with the Patriot Act was passed recently, named the Military Commissions Act of 2006. It only passed in the past few days.

Any thoughts on WHAT can happen to open internet gambling back up? Is this legal or illegal in your opinion?

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Lastly, Gambling might be a vice, but guess what, it doesn't hurt people NEARLY as much as the Alcohol business does. Accidents, death, addiction, broken families, dead drunken frat boys and sorority girls, teenage car accidents, rape, fights...the list goes on. The ills to society that alcohol creates has far more damaging potential than say, pot, or gambling does, but alcohol (1) cannot be easily or affordably produced in one's home (2) is easily regulated, profited from, and taxed (3) enables the politicians and major shareholders to profit (4) the illegalization of alcohol is far more damaging to society, (observe the 1920's and prohibition, there was more violence and subterfuge THEN), so legalizing it is LESS costly to society.


**Disclosure**
This is not meant to be a political thread.
But I guess you lock it if it spins that way...



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As you say, the casinos own the US government and they don't want this competition. Seems unconstitutional and unworkable to me, but what with all the wacky new attention slaps and no-right-to-trial-if-you're-called-Abdul laws being merrily passed, who knows.
 

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I dont' follow the American laws, so what's this one about (Military Commissions Act of 2006).

Oddly enough, an online gambling site is a business, because they profit, have a name to themselves, and customers. They provide a service, and people pay to use the service. How's it illegal for an American to start up one of these sites and pay a tax to the government?
 

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Gambling is not allowed througout the entire US of A, only in designated spots. Being able to gamble in bedroom in Massachusetts (TAXACHUSETTS), is illegal, esp. if I am not taxed on those wages. If it were legal to do so, the casinos would set up competing sites with their branding and whack the foreign competition, which is how they've gotten around those laws to begin with. Casinos did lose millions, but it was a boom for the casinos because sponsors were seen at all the major events AND is the primary driver for people hoping online to begin with.

If this law stands, and the amount of people able to play for money online falls to zero within the US, you will see a concurrent drop in the amount of people @ the World Series of Poker and playing competitively. People won't be able to get the practice needed, so the amount of entries will fall. Also, stars won't have the sponsorship they do, so the amount of sponsored entries will fall. The competitive edge of the pro's will increase, because fake, play money poker is NOTHING like the real thing. I doubt people will increase traffic flow to the casinos. They might see a bump up, but their rates to stay are so exhorbitant and nobody wants to drive several hours when you can just plug in online.


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PS. I'll get into the newest Constitution Shreadding Law in a later thread, which will likely be locked, as a fore-warning to the mods AND the viewers. Check it out...by googling "Military Commissions Act of 2006."

And here's a YOUTUBE link regarding it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoRjbIQMXGQ
 

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That video is not about gambling, but something far worse...

Bush and company are preparing a law to protect them from international punsihment for mistreatment and abuse of prisoners since Sept 11th.

Why are more people not up in arms over this?
 

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Nooby Doo said:
That video is not about gambling, but something far worse...

Bush and company are preparing a law to protect them from international punsihment for mistreatment and abuse of prisoners since Sept 11th.

Why are more people not up in arms over this?
You have to undestand that we live in a country where most people can't read a map, know very little of the Constitution, and don't learn true American history. As a result, it gets easier to pass laws that violate the ideals our country was founded on.
 

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I suppose we need to raise awareness then.

I have sent the video to everyone in my addres book and I hope more of you do the same.

It's time we started to take back our country!
 

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is the law passed or when will it be up for judgement?

i really really REALLY hope that that law doesnt get passed , but bush and the current government is soo corrupt that the sad part is it just might get passed.....

why must america be so effing lazy.... its like being politically interested is like being a social outcast. no one over there seems to want to fight over this , they all sit i ntheir cchair and go "we have to do something right now" and then turn the channel to watch an episode of Lost or something while muching on soem fast food..... o_O
 

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They passed it? fvck!

The governments argument is that "people will gamble their life away!", "its unethical", "people have been using the online gambling industry to launder money" and so theyre trying to say theyre doing society a favor by banning it. But we all know its bull****.

Every state has a lottery, whats to stop someone from gambling their life away on that? Obviously its really all about the governments ability to tax it! IF theres a way to make money, and the government cant get its cut, it doesnt want it to exist. its all about greed!

We have the right to gamble!

What can we do to undo this?
 

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God_of_getting_layed said:
They passed it? fvck!

The governments argument is that "people will gamble their life away!", "its unethical", "people have been using the online gambling industry to launder money" and so theyre trying to say theyre doing society a favor by banning it. But we all know its bull****.

Every state has a lottery, whats to stop someone from gambling their life away on that? Obviously its really all about the governments ability to tax it! IF theres a way to make money, and the government cant get its cut, it doesnt want it to exist. its all about greed!

We have the right to gamble!

What can we do to undo this?
Bomb the whitehouse. Nicely. And be gentle.

There must come a point when the US revolts or something. It's starting to become a whole lot clearer to citizens just how much of a cancer George Bush is.

Even over here in New Zealand, these things get reactions. How he was re-elected I will never know.
 

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At first, when I heard about this, I was pissed, but then I realized, HEY! I'm a 10 minute drive from the Bell (Bellagio).

I still practice with play money on PokerStars, I wonder if play money gaming is going to be subjected to the same regs, or if play money will stop since they really only let the play games go on because the real money games are making them money.

But in the end, it shouldn't matter, anyone who wants to play should come to Vegas. There's something that online can't give you, the feeling of looking in the other guys eyes when you're sitting on Kings Full, or the feeling of actually grabbing the chips and drawing them into your stack. No matter how much you win online, NOTHING can replace the feeling of sitting at a real table.
 

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Beleive it or not, alot of people out there who are pretty good have actually used online poker to help pay the bills in addition to their day job. But now life just got harder for these honest citizens to pay their bills, feed their children etc.

Not everyone can afford to goto Las vegas. plus when you want to make money off youre poker skills, which go through the hassle of going to las vegas when you can just log onto your computer? If you want a fun experience, then I can see why las vagas would be prefered.

The government did it not becuase of "ethical issues", but becuase they couldnt get their piece of the pie. Online poker was an explosive industry, lots of money would have been made, and it was continuing to expand. What Im wondering is if the government will start up possible government controlled online poker hosts so that they can not only tax it, but get a real big chunk of money out of this industry; this sounds like a move a greedy government would do, online poker has alot of money making potential. 1st eliminate your competition which you cannot tax, then create your own poker business that is government controlled. Everyone will come to you because they have no choice, you can tax it, and get alot of revenue.

Or do you think online poker is just straight up gone for good in the US?

btw, online horse racing/sports betting isnt being outlawed! its an axception to this law. only games of chance are being banned from what I have read, which obviously includes any card game.
 

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The issue here shouldn't be on MORAL or ETHICAL grounds, yet that's very often what we legislate. Some hold the position of saying it should be illegal, or at least mitigated BECAUSE poker produces nothing. This isn't true though. When you view poker, gambling, speculation, it's a very inherent part of culture, of life. There's always been someone who wants to take their best guess judgement, using their mind, to profit, if the odds are in their favor. Isn't business done this way? 8 in 10 businesses fail. Yet, entrepreneurs will begin a venture if they understand the risks, and can get adequate compensation for the risks.

Poker, or gambling produces casinos, teaching classes, tv shows and tournaments, online poker games, home poker matches, and many many other products. The question of whether it is good or bad is of no consequence and shouldn't be BY the government, and ideally, people shouldn't care either. If we want tolerance in our OWN arena, we have to give it to others. If you want to be a PUA and lay many chicks, then it would stand you should allow gay marriage, because you would not want some legislating, or mandating that laying more than one woman in life is now illegal. We tend not to think in these terms, but if you want your freedom, it must also be concurrently be given to others.

What happens here is anybodys guess...

As many people have observed, the problem initially is the law against gambling OUTSIDE designated spots. That's the driver. They COULD change it, but like anything regarding drugs, it can't be taxed or monitored. If that can't happen, then it CANNOT exist. The other problem is the sway that casinos hold over the government. Obviously those who own, control, and build them have MANY friends. Trump included in this. They want a LEVEL playing field in the US, under the illusion that we operate in a CAPITALIST economy, when in reality, it's much more a SOCIALIST economy.




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