Last night was the single biggest disappointment/discouragement to date

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The night started of really well. I put my best shirt on, nice jeans, nice shoes, and a bit of cologne. I am in New Orleans temporarily to do an internship so I went down to Bourbon Street by myself. It was halloween weekend and the place was pretty packed with women dresses very slutty.

So initally I went and held off on drinking for about and hour and a half. Instead I just had some water and walked around a bit to get adjusted to the scene. I went inside one bar and met these two girls from Australia who were very cute and only in town for 2 days. We talked and the conversation was light, funny, and the flow was really good. When some better songs came on I persuaded them to dance with me one at a time and we had fun doing that. After dancing they said they were going to go back to their hotel to drink a little more and shower and stuff. They did not invite me but mentioned the possibility of seeing me later so I asked for their numbers. One told me she doesn't have a phone and the other told me she lost her phone. Ok cool so rejections number 1 for the night but whatever I had a good conversation and had fun dancing. So I told them "ok, maybe I'll see you later but I'm gonna take off now" and I left.

Went to another bar on Bourbon and meet this other women who was there by herself just like me. I thought this would be great because women who go out on their own are easier to pickup. Well I asked her if she wanted to dance and she said yes so we danced. Afterwards I told her I was going to head to another bar and if she wanted to come with me to which she replied "oh no" while smiling. Fine ok another rejection but still had fun dancing.

At another bar, meet these three really hot older women and asked one of them if she wanted to dance. She said she wasn't drunk enough yet but that she'd come find me once she was ready to dance. I said "ok" and went and sat down somewhere else and started talking to another older woman who was there by herself. I persuaded this older women to come dance with me but she didn't like the songs that were being played so i took her to another bar and we danced there. After dancing there I walked her back to the bar that we meet at. Once we got back to that bar the original woman I meet there seemed excited to see me again and had her hands all over me. I reciprocated and we were pretty touchy for a while until we all went somewhere else to dance. We danced, I kissed her a bunch of times, had my hand on her ass and on her lower back, and thought this was all going well and she was smiling and laughing. Eventually we all left that one bar and they took me to some restaurant/bar that she were in a halloween costume competition at. We hung out there for a while and I sat down with one of the women in the group and we were talking while the other two women were out mingling. Well the hot one that I was dancing with and who I kissed and everything eventually came and brought back some other guy with her. The guy was older, closer to their age, and pretty clearly did not like me since I was an obstacle for him. He kept trying to talk to me in a demeaning tone but I wasn't having it so he backed off a little. I started getting the feeling that I no longer had anything to gain from talking to these ladies so I told them I was leaving to another place. The hot one that I was kissing and everything said she was sad about that and asked me where I was going so that she could come there later and meet me. I told her I wasn't sure how long I would be there and said the best way would probably be to exchange numbers. We both took our phones out and then told me to give her my number to which I replied that no I wanted hers. She said she "doesn't give out her number to people" and I replied that "I don't like to do it that way". So we put our phones away and left it at that and I left. All of these three women were single and out having fun so maybe one went home with that guy they brought over. So another rejection but this was a pretty good interaction and I thought for sure it would get better from here.

It only went downhill from there. I decided to start focusing on younger women since I've had a lot of older women tell me i'm too young for them and was getting sick of hearing that. So I danced with and talked with a bunch of younger women. The slightly uglier women would dance with me but afterwards just said thanks and left. The attractive younger women would just roll their eyes at me when I tried talking to them. Towards the end of the night it was about 1am and I had just gotten rejected for the 10th time that night and was so ****ing down on myself and pissed off that I just went home.

Throughout the week I was also messaging girls on POF and got a bunch of numbers. A few of them we exchanged some pictures and they understood that we were just going to have sex and they were fine with that. Two of them told me they would hit me up yesterday at night sometime but neither of them did. I texted both of them with just a simple "how's your night goin?" and got no responses.

That was, thus far, the single biggest disappointing and discouraging night I've ever had. It was halloween on Bourbon Street and I could not get laid despite having read and practiced this sosuave material for a few years now, how pathetic. I am tall, good looking, and felt like I played all my cards right and still went home alone. There was so many hot young pieces of ass there but they were either already there with some guy or there with their girlfriends and if I tried talking to them they would roll their eyes or just bluntly say "no". Attractive women on friday/saturday nights are ****ing impossible to pick up. Even the not so attractive ones were willing to talk to me for a bit but as soon as I tried to escalate they turned me down.

In my day to day life I continually struggle with women and getting sex. The only women I get sex from are uglier women and that is not what I want. The ones I am physically attracted to always reject me or play some stupid game with me for a while before rejecting me. After reading all this material I feel like I understand how the game should be played and what kind of man women like and I've made a lot of changed to myself to be that man. But god damn it just aint working for me. I'm 24 years old and see all these hot young things walking around and they are with some other guy and I'm just going ****ing nuts with resentment towards all women that none of the attractive ones will pick me. I have this idea that once I am a little older and have money then maybe a few of them will pick me but only because of my money. God damn i'm just in pieces this moring after having such a terrible night. I can't even find the will to continue with my workout routine today. I work out 2-3x/week and am in great physical shape but wtf is the point if it doesn't help me at all with women? I'm falling into a deep depression here and really need someone to offer some words of wisdom or something to pick me back up because I don't think I'll be able to do it on my own this time.
 

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Why are you focusing on dancing instead of kino escalating and doing some push-pull stuff with them once you get them sitting down? Dancing is cool AFTER that stuff so you can REALLY escalate it, but doing it before is kinda not going to usually get you too far...

Just my 2 cents...
 
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Don't get so down on yourself, bud. We all get rejected. Just keep looking forward to the possibility of being successful next time. You ever try day game? Look into it if you haven't.
 

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TyTe`EyEz said:
Don't get so down on yourself, bud. We all get rejected. Just keep looking forward to the possibility of being successful next time. You ever try day game?
Just relax and have fun...I was out with a buddy last night and we weren't even trying to do anything, just laughing and having fun and this group of about 8 or 9 girls simply would not leave us alone...probably because we kept teasing them and not really going for any of them...they prety much all in turn walked up to us and kept trying to dance with us or talk to us and we just kinda played it cool, laughed it off and kept talking to each other...

clearly was driving them crazy...hahaha

Just go have fun and stop worying about he outcome, you will be a lot better off...just stop trying to get the girls to dance with you right away...
 

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The dancing thing was all new to me. I'm typically too shy to dance but last week I did it and felt comfortable and enjoyed it. Dancing with girls is like the next best thing to sex because they will grind into you and let you touch their ass and stuff (at least in my experience) so it's all I wanted to do last night but yeah thinking back I guess I didn't have to push it that hard and it might be best to leave dancing for later on to really escalate the kino. So you guys don't think dancing right off the bat will get you any further with women?

I'm really burned up about what happened with that hot older woman. I was really vibing with her and I think she was all aroused and everything and I'm super pissed that it didn't pan out. I'm burned up about it because she brought some other guy over and I made it clear that I wanted her and perhaps that guy took her home after I did all the work getting her aroused. Just BS that even an older woman would still be playing a stupid game like that. Of course I don't know if that guy went home with her but if he did I would be furious that my work paid off for someone else.
 

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Follow the texting advice from girlschase.com

http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-text-girl

Its money and it works well, especially on getting a response to your initial text...it never has failed to work for me...completely awesome advice...

I always send "Finding money in the most interesting places today...how's your day going <woman's name>? Lucky as mine? --- Matt" as my initial text every time and always get a great response back.
 

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Droz88 said:
I'm really burned up about what happened with that hot older woman. I was really vibing with her and I think she was all aroused and everything and I'm super pissed that it didn't pan out. I'm burned up about it because she brought some other guy over and I made it clear that I wanted her and perhaps that guy took her home after I did all the work getting her aroused. Just BS that even an older woman would still be playing a stupid game like that. Of course I don't know if that guy went home with her but if he did I would be furious that my work paid off for someone else.
Don't push it so hard bro, they can sense your desperation a mile away. Just relax and have fun. If you just want sex go to POF or a prostitute, it will relieve your tension and make you not care afterwards.

As soon as any woman knows you have limited options or get nervous and want to close the deal, she will use it to her advantage to feel better about herself and get what she wants. The older women knew you wanted her so she went to other guy and said "look how bad this guy wants me, you better shape up and get your act together." Never give your cards away, never act desparate...you'll get crushed. Not only with women, in daily life. Do something because you want to have fun and learn.

Never let these woman get to you...my brother killed himself over his wife, if that doesn't scream it's not worth it, don't know what does.
 

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Trump said:
Don't push it so hard bro, they can sense your desperation a mile away. Just relax and have fun. If you just want sex go to POF or a prostitute, it will relieve your tension and make you not care afterwards.

As soon as any woman knows you have limited options or get nervous and want to close the deal, she will use it to her advantage to feel better about herself and get what she wants. The older women knew you wanted her so she went to other guy and said "look how bad this guy wants me, you better shape up and get your act together." Never give your cards away, never act desparate...you'll get crushed. Not only with women, in daily life. Do something because you want to have fun and learn.

Never let these woman get to you...my brother killed himself over his wife, if that doesn't scream it's not worth it, don't know what does.
remember this...women don't want a guy who has chosen them because tehy have no other options...they want a guy who chooses them even though they have other options...

in other words, no women wants a guy who they feel isn't desired by other women.
 
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Droz88 said:
The dancing thing was all new to me. I'm typically too shy to dance but last week I did it and felt comfortable and enjoyed it. Dancing with girls is like the next best thing to sex because they will grind into you and let you touch their ass and stuff (at least in my experience) so it's all I wanted to do last night but yeah thinking back I guess I didn't have to push it that hard and it might be best to leave dancing for later on to really escalate the kino. So you guys don't think dancing right off the bat will get you any further with women?

Dancing is immediate kino, dude. And more than you're going to get trying to game her at the bar.


EDIT - Point being dance whenever you want. Most of the time you're going to have to game her eventually, but dancing builds rapport easily. Sometimes dancing sets the tone for the entire evening.
 

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Trying is much better than not trying at all, but you're trying too hard. Women are sensing a desperation vibe, and that is what is working against you. Within two seconds of talking to you, a woman is going to realize that you are a horny single guy who is trying to fvck her. The farther back you can push that moment, the better you will do. Trick her into thinking you're so distracted by your own good time that you didn't even notice she was hot.

Also, the way that you're outcome-dependent is what is bringing you down so much. It's important to learn by doing, but no one can do that without a lot of failure. Your fulfillment needs to come from simply playing the game, and when that happens, winning will come a lot easier. Don't give up.
 

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Yeah I like dancing and I thought at the time it's a great way to start the interaction to set the tone for something sexual. And plus if it doesn't lead to anything at least you get to feel her up a little. I'll go out another time and try it both ways and see what happens.

So what if you're a horny single guy trying to **** her? I read all this crap about women being just as horny as men so why do they reject you for this reason? Do they just want you to pretend you're not a horny single guy and want the interaction to lead to sex by it "just happening"? Still unclear about this.
 

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Man all I ****ing want is good sex by a woman i'm attracted to and it's like god or some divine power isn't letting it happen for me while I see these hot pieces of ass with other guys and they probably go home after the bars and **** like crazy all night. Wow what a great feeling for me.

Last night one of the band lead singers asked the crowd "how many of you are getting laid tonight??!!" The whole crowd started screaming "Yeahhh!!!", and this was right after I was rejected for the 10th time and frustrated...talk about putting the nail in the coffin lol.
 

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Being that I'm from New Orleans, it used to be easy to get women there. Now, not so much. Thanks to these entitlement issues going through the roof.

A man is desirable as long as he has at least ONE woman. All women ahave girlfriends. All women are married. All women are taken. Can't say the same for all men.
 

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How can it be the "biggest disappointment to date" when you said you rarely go out and dance???

Not trying to get all After School Special on you but if you're doing something new, you're making progress, even if you don't immediately get the results you were hoping for.

Pulling (not just kiss closing) through just dancing can be tough. I've been at it since college and I think I'm only now starting to get good at it. Basically I have a rule of thumb that if the girl lets me dance with her face to face it's on. That's "genuine" interest. I can build some rapport, some tension by spinning her around, dancing away from her, holding her hand, looking into her eyes...

If we're just grinding all night without looking at each other, nothing's going to come of it and I'm wasting my time. My guess is that you had a lot of those last night.
 

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Nismo I don't understand what you're saying.

I'm so sick of my life. I can't do this **** anymore. I don't have friends and am just plain unhappy regardless of the fact that I like my job and am young and healthy. All this material I read online isn't translating into results and I'm sick of trying and trying. At some point you just gotta make a personal overhaul when your in this position. Maybe I'm just going through life and growing and learning? The hardest part is that ther is no outlet. Masturbation and porn remind me of the hot things I desire and yet can't have and that just makes it all worse and I get more depressed. However there is nothing I can do about being horny I can't control that. I really blame my parents for all this. I grew up in such a ****ty household and was emotionally tortured and now I have trouble relating to others and building relationships. I'm scared to speak my mind because I'm usually met with disapproval by others and so I just stay quiet most of the time. This is not a good way to live life guys. Damn I'm sorry for this string of negative posts but i'm just having a breakdown...who knows though maybe after I recover from this I'll be stronger but then again maybe that's just wishful thinking.
 

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NewAndImproved said:
How can it be the "biggest disappointment to date" when you said you rarely go out and dance???

Not trying to get all After School Special on you but if you're doing something new, you're making progress, even if you don't immediately get the results you were hoping for.

Pulling (not just kiss closing) through just dancing can be tough. I've been at it since college and I think I'm only now starting to get good at it. Basically I have a rule of thumb that if the girl lets me dance with her face to face it's on. That's "genuine" interest. I can build some rapport, some tension by spinning her around, dancing away from her, holding her hand, looking into her eyes...

If we're just grinding all night without looking at each other, nothing's going to come of it and I'm wasting my time. My guess is that you had a lot of those last night.
No i danced face to face with all of them. I pulled away from many of them and they kinda followed me. I looked into some of their eyes too. Still it all ended in rejection. Funny how for you it's on just because she lets you dance face to face while for me it doesn't mean ****. How do you know "it's on" just because she danced face to face with you? Have you took them home because of that?

Yeah I sometimes too feel like I'm starting to understand the game a lot better but then at times like last night I question if I actually know or just think i know. And at 24 years old it's hard to read posts by guys who claim that they pulled a lot of pusssy when they were 18-24 years old and feels like I'm behind the curve a lot. Do you ever feel this way?
 

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marmel75 said:
Follow the texting advice from girlschase.com

http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-text-girl

Its money and it works well, especially on getting a response to your initial text...it never has failed to work for me...completely awesome advice...

I always send "Finding money in the most interesting places today...how's your day going <woman's name>? Lucky as mine? --- Matt" as my initial text every time and always get a great response back.
Thanks.for the link, good article I like it
 

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Bible Belt has said everything there is to say about this.

in your mind you have to go from the guy that desperately tries to get lucky to the guy that has his pick from a bowl of cherries.
 

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Droz88 said:
Damn I'm sorry for this string of negative posts but i'm just having a breakdown...who knows though maybe after I recover from this I'll be stronger but then again maybe that's just wishful thinking.
no prob. guess most of us have been there. and as a matter of fact you do come out stronger everytime.
 

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flashpoint said:
Bible Belt has said everything there is to say about this.

in your mind you have to go from the guy that desperately tries to get lucky to the guy that has his pick from a bowl of cherries.
What he said is great once you have established yourself with plates and stuff. But when you haven't done so yet you need some validation that this mindset it true or else you'll realize it's hard to keep up this line of thinking if it just isn't reality. If I adopted this mentality and got laid by 1-2 attractive girls within a few months then maybe I could stick with it but to just trick yourself you can only keep up the charade for a limited time. Idk maybe some people can keep it up indefinitely but I can't.
 
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