Landing a steady gf, LTR, or even someone who is wife material

[bonesmahoney]

IME, women in the 4 to 5 range can compete very effectively in the dating market. I've seen girls in this range with 3 or 4 guys chasing them at the same time.

I've also seen completely normal guys in their early 20's making out with women who are 50+. Guys who you'd think might have options in their own age range.

 

[Lookatu]

test yourself and your brotherhood to the manosphere and take advantage$$$ of simps by creating fake girls' accounts like what lookatu is doing

#don'tdothis

Just to clarify, I was being sarcastic and I'm not actually doing that but I would imagine there are other guys pulling those scams on lonely, desperate, thirsty saps.

 

[2Rocky]

It happens when you least expect it. Sometimes just having an abundance mindset and not feeling desperate to lock down a mate works best.

Read Paulo Coehlo's parable The Alchemist to make your mindset more about the journey.

 

[christie]

Just to clarify, I was being sarcastic and I'm not actually doing that but I would imagine there are other guys pulling those scams on lonely, desperate, thirsty saps.

I imagine there are. Especially those out of work because of covid upheaval.

Doesn't seem fair that women don't have the visual handcuffs to seek sex imagery, the bulging eyeballs.... that men do.


Or else there would be a demand to have a male models onlyfans.

Maybe guys are on there making money, I don't know. Not even going to google that site.

 

[Barrister]

All of my LTRs have been with a HB 7+ -- best looking was about a 8.5 when we started dating (came down to I would say an 8 once we broke up -- dropped a bit over 2.5 years). I can say the HB 8 I just broke up with had a lot of issues (tons of orbiters, entitled, sought validation from a of different sources, etc.) that were difficult to deal with and I had to constantly use dread game on her to keep her somewhat in line. Even doing that she crossed boundaries and it was just too much work and frustration to deal with.

My problem is I only feel especially attracted to HB 7+. My d1ck just won't respond to a woman who is not very physically attractive. So I think I am doomed to just have to deal with the drama as nice as the original idea is to go for a HB 6.

 

[RickTheToad]

test yourself and your brotherhood to the manosphere and take advantage$$$ of simps by creating fake girls' accounts like what lookatu is doing

#don'tdothis

Did that years ago when I was on OLD. It's an experience.

 

[christie]

Did that years ago when I was on OLD. It's an experience.

There's tons of ways to make money if one switches identities.
Back to the purpose of this thread, any of these scams pulled, is a red flag for retaining/succeeding with a longterm mate.

 

[Mister_Skinny_Jeanz]

you can go as low as you want but ***** is ***** , and a bj is a bj all it takes is for some dude she THINKS is better than you and its all she wrote

 

[RickTheToad]

you can go as low as you want but ***** is ***** , and a bj is a bj all it takes is for some dude she THINKS is better than you and its all she wrote

BJs are the cornerstone of a long lasting relationship. ;'p

 

[rjc149]

6-8 is all in the eye of the beholder. We can all objectively know when a chick is higher than that.

I’ve mentioned on other posts that tall blonde swimsuit models really do not appeal to my eye. Whenever someone’s describing some girl as “oh, she was gorgeous. Tall, blonde, blue eyes...” I’m like “ehh meh.”

There’s actually something irresistible about a cute girl who can surprise you by dolling up and looking really hot, than some chick who can’t go to the fvcking gym without a pound of pancake batter on her face, taking selfies the whole way. But it seems most of the young guys here are going for those girls, so OP’s words may fall on deaf ears.

 

[Lookatu]

There’s actually something irresistible about a cute girl who can surprise you by dolling up and looking really hot, than some chick who can’t go to the fvcking gym without a pound of pancake batter on her face, taking selfies the whole way.

I agree. Although the rating can be subjective for everyone, someone that is viewed as a 6-7 can easily raise her smv by a point or two if she's not already looksmaxed. Where as you see some of the 9+ gals are already looksmaxed and has nowhere to go but down in SMV.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

SS Team,

This is for the guys, young bucks, and newbies who are looking for a steady gf, LTR, or even someone who is wife material. Nothing wrong with that.

Given the over saturation of the dating-advice market with new "gurus" popping up every day (99% who don't know their head from their ass), scant advice makes sense for the average guy trying to find a steady. And this is coming from a guy whose been in the dating world for 30 (yes, 30) years. I’ve dated pre-internet/apps and current-internet/apps and have a huge sample size of each. You can’t learn life experience from TikTok or YouTube.

I’m going to generalize from the perspective of dating a HB8+. It's true, hot women *are* bombarded with messages and requests from guys (97% of whom are 100% clueless) all the time. I think for these types, striking FAST is key. Don’t play games. Things have changed and these b*tches, I mean ladies, have their pick of the litter. What was hot yesterday might be ice cold tomorrow in their mind as they constantly try to upgrade the upgrade. Some eventually settle only to bail a short time later, possible ass raping a guy in family court along the way. Are they fun to f*ck? Hell yes! And I’ve had my share. But, expect bad behavior, flaking; basically every form of dating BS you can imagine--and then some. And they *are* getting worse because of all the gushing, slobbering, beta males that fill up her Instagram every hour of every day. 2021 is a really f*cked world to try to find a keeper chick that is even 50% “normal.”

My advice for the average guy:

For the guy who's looking for a LTR or even a candidate for marriage, I would STRONGLY recommend they focus on the HB6.5-7.5 market. The flaky, hot-cold, quasi-BPD behavior increases in correlation to how hot the woman is. Kind of like stock price correlating to how successful the company is. Hence, the 8+'s, though REALLY fun to f*ck, make the WORST long-term partners, pretty much for every reason I wrote. Don’t get sucked in to their BS and breadcrumbing. Pull out of the vortex and NEVER compromise your value or self-esteem. Remember, time is the great equalizer as women generally show age much sooner than men.

To "bust the curve," so to speak, I recommend ditching your quest for the 8+'s and focus on the 6.5+'s, as your ROI (I = time invested in the woman) will be MUCH higher. You can go a little slower, pump the brakes a bit, and actually dare I say (gulp) employ some tactics from 10+ years ago when men were taught to be MEN and not starving wild dogs who haven’t eaten red meat in 3 weeks. The mid-market women are also much more appreciative of a man’s time and affection, aren’t nearly as f*cked up mentally, don’t cheat as much, have careers, and generally return 2-3x of your effort in kind.

Keep fighting the good fight, Men. We’re in this together.

Ciao,

~Dash Riprock~

Your reasoning is sound. And it's validated by your extensive experience which no degree or "dating course" will ever give you.

It is true, the reason why these women play games and straight-up disrespect your time is because of the vast sea of AFC's drooling over them and putting them on a pedestal.

You are right, we are better than that. Know your worth and stand your ground. And it is true, your chances will increase with a lesser attractive woman. That is not to say you shouldn't still approach them, but do expect more hustle and disrespect coming from them.

Obviously, we should never generalize but that is a good rule of thumb to take into consideration if you are in fact hoping to engage in a LTR.

Thanks for sharing brother.

Walk your own path,
Modern Man Advice

 

[Mister_Skinny_Jeanz]

BJs are the cornerstone of a long lasting relationship. ;'p

you are goddamn right about that , 2 year contract lmao.

 

[RickTheToad]

you are goddamn right about that , 2 year contract lmao.

Most females do not like giving BJs. They do it because it pleases the dude. Once that stops, then there's something wrong.

 

[Bigpapa]

LOL, uh no, you made up some wild speculation about "unhealthy" married people, whatever that means, and then claimed that your bizarre allegation somehow trumped scientific survey data.

Today you've completely reversed your opinion and think most people should settle for LTR's and marriage with 6's and 7's since they'll be happier that way.

It looks like you made it past first grade courtesy of your ability to both plagiarize and talk out of your ass.

I agree with what you are saying , as I field experienced myself

average and bellow average women behave the same as the hot ones , after a while , so you will end up in the same place just that the only difference is that the girl will be less attractive

what people do not understand is that women get a lot of attention no matter how good looking or not they are , as guys are super thirsty and have very bad game on average , so they will lower they standard in hope that they will get laid

a couple of months ago I slept with an ugly woman ( somewhere between a 5 and a 6 )because I wanted to see if indeed it is true that uglier women are less selfish or that they have more desirable ltr traits .

the answer is not , and that they are more or less like the hot ones . The only difference is that at the beginning , if you are up her league and you do not make her auto reject she will not sh1t test you as hard as one that is the same level as you or higher

 

[Lookatu]

If you want an LTR then you need to qualify her pair-bonding capability.

A 9+ that's had a hundred d!cks pair bonds just as badly as a -4 that's had a hundred d!cks.

All women can get multiple d!cks in this modern world, even if she's a 1 with Downs Syndrome.

Hotness has nothing to do with a woman's suitability for an LTR. Her sexual history is all that matters.

I agree. I have met 8+ girls that's been in LTR's their whole lives(low partner count). For as good looking as they were, they conducted themselves well and had a good attitude and was always in search of and working towards a serious LTR.

I find some of the ones unable to pair bond due to past sexual history unable to make good judgements, self regulate, lack self control, and are bad or wreckless with their finances.

 

[Bigpapa]

If you want an LTR then you need to qualify her pair-bonding capability.

A 9+ that's had a hundred d!cks pair bonds just as badly as a -4 that's had a hundred d!cks.

All women can get multiple d!cks in this modern world, even if she's a 1 with Downs Syndrome.

Hotness has nothing to do with a woman's suitability for an LTR. Her sexual history is all that matters.

actually there are a more things , like her childhood ,if she has a victim mentality ,partner count as you mentioned , dna , mentality in general

I would say that the partner count only tells a part about a woman being ltr worthy or not

 

[Bigpapa]

I would also add that women with ltr qualities will mainly stay in Ltrs , so thus will have a lower partner count

same thing with a high partner count , dunno if the numbers go up because she had a high partner count before , or just because she has a lot of negative ( like bad childhood , no male role model , impulsive , crazy , drugs , etc ) traits that might have led to the high partner count in the first place

 

[Lookatu]

I would also add that women with ltr qualities will mainly stay in Ltrs , so thus will have a lower partner count

same thing with a high partner count , dunno if the numbers go up because she had a high partner count before , or just because she has a lot of negative ( like bad childhood , no male role model , impulsive , crazy , drugs , etc ) traits that might have led to the high partner count

I attribute some gals with high partner counts back to my observation of lack of good judgement. Sometimes, they are not good judge of character and even though they mean well and maybe want a LTR, they often get dumped by bad guys or end up with the wrong ones.

 

[Bigpapa]

I attribute some gals with high partner counts back to my observation of lack of good judgement. Sometimes, they are not good judge of character and even though they mean well and maybe want a LTR, they often get dumped by bad guys or end up with the wrong ones.

but usually this happens because of low self esteem , which usually is attributed to not a good childhood or not having a strong and good male role model as she grew up